NFL Rumors: Vincent Jackson and the Rams
by Ryan Van Bibber on Sep 17, 2010 9:43 AM CDT
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PrintAnd what would the day be without an update on the Vincent Jackson saga? The St. Louis Rams are one of the only three teams, so far, with permission from the San Diego Chargers to talk to Jackson and his agent. Do they stand a chance of landing Jackson or will another team, i.e. one with a more realistic shot at the playoffs this year, swoop in with the winning bid?
Washington head coach Mike Shanahan told the press that he would not rule out his team getting involved in the Vincent Jackson sweepstakes. There is no word if Washington has been approved by San Diego to speak with Jackson. If Shanahan is serious, it would add a fourth suitor to the mix along with the Rams, Seahawks and Vikings. There's little doubt that Washington would pay Jackson whatever he wants given that team's precedent for contracts and the absence of a salary cap this year.
Bryan Burwell from the Post-Dispatch joined the chorus of those advocating for the Rams to add Jackson to their depleted receivers, echoing the point about the balance a receiving threat like that would bring to the offense. He also reminds readers of new owner Stan Kroenke's desire to build a competitive team, but if you read the interview Burwell refers to Kroenke notes the importance of building a competitive team for the long term, not just a one year wonder. Which brings me to my next two points...
One of the most important questions that has to be answered in a potential deal for Jackson is the opportunity cost of giving up draft picks and tying up money for his contract. We've discussed that opportunity cost before. If the Rams feel like they can keep Jackson's character issues under control, then he's young enough, 27, to be a factor for a long time.
The other issue at play here is the Rams' need to develop its own young talent. Jackson would take reps away from their younger players, particularly Donnie Avery. However, Avery won't be a factor this season since he's out for the year after tearing his right ACL in the final game of the preseason, and at this point, given his injury history, you have to ask whether or not the Rams can count on him in the future. Mardy Gilyard factors into future plans, and he'll get his reps over the next few seasons. Danny Amendola looks like an important player for the team too, but he's got a specific role that wouldn't be impacted significantly by Jackson's addition. With Avery out, the Rams just plain need help at WR, developing talent be damned. And, other than Avery who was a second round pick, the Rams haven't invested too much in their receivers at this point.
The Rams might need to add another receiver just out of injury insurance. Laurent Robinson practiced yesterday, but he got a scare in week 1. His injury history makes you wonder, and without him, the Rams would be in a world of hurt at that position.
Some food for thought as the Jackson story develops.
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If the Seahawks land him
I will be an unhappyish man. Very, very unhappyish.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
+1 Gazillion
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
i can't handle another year of seattle winning the division
they were supposed to blow this year and then go out and dominate the team that was supposed to take over their reign. it will be sickening if the ‘hawks (with proven asshole/dipshit pete carroll as their coach) get jackson and win yet another division title that they don’t deserve.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 17, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL! I hate the 9ers worse...
…so watching them get their heads kicked in felt soooo good.
Sorry, I am still bitter about the 1989 playoffs LOL!…actually the whole 9ers 80s-90s dynasties.
yeah, i wasn't born in 1989
but i can understand why people like you would hate the 49’ers.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 17, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I think...
StL Rams fans hate the Seacawks the most because they were the best team to compete with when the Rams got good again in 99.
Those of us that are hold over LA Rams fans though have to hate the Niners more though because of all the games from the 80’s/90’s and being in state rivals.
I should be working right now...
i wasn't going to say it that black and white
but, yes. haha
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by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 17, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
jim everett
I remember that dismal NFC championship game. We scored a field goal on our opening drive and that was that. I think we lost 30~3. God I hate the 9ers. The only thing better than a 9er loss is a Ram win••• Yeah•••we need VJ
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
by DevsLaRams on Sep 17, 2010 7:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That was a brutal, brutal game
My disdain for the Niners has semi-worn off thanks to the Seahawks of the last decade.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
Yup...I was so sure the rams...
…passing attack with ellard and anderson was going to win the day…as it had during the season. But the 9ers finally realized that without dickerson in the backfield, they need not worry about the run and they could just go after mr. phantom sack….that was really the end of his career.
Seattle will finish 4th in the division, with or without VJ. Fear not.
I can take a beating ... I'm a Rams fan.
if only...
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by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 17, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm, with this many teams
in the mix, get Jackson for the right price is probably going to be difficult.
I still gotta think that he isnt looking for a 1 year agreement because there is a looming labor dispute next year. Yeah I know the koolaid is that it will work itself out and everything is hunky dory…but hey, I am not betting my multimillion dollar future on that. So I think any team that wishes to have a serious shot at getting this guy is going to need to give him a multi year deal…plus give the San Diego Chargers their kickback as well.
Also, Shannahan isnt really a cryptic guy…for him to say they wont rule out getting involved, I think means the redskins arent serious and they are just placating their fans that they are looking at the opportunity.
Oh sorry...
I was talking with a bunch of guys in the other jackson thread that were convinced that the vikings would only want jackson for 1 year so favre could make his last run. So that kinda rules out the vikings…but if there is not going to be a salary cap, I suppose they have no reason not to sign jackson to a multi year deal.
I'm feeling pretty sure the Rams will at least make an offer
That is very true about Stan Kroenke saying he wants to be competitive for the long haul. I would expect that if they Rams got him, it would be for like 5 years and a large sum of money (30 million). He’s only 27, and reaching his prime. I don’t like his character issues, but if he can direct his passion better to the field it would fire up the younger guys.
However, I think it would take at least our second round pick next year
and an additional pick in 2012
Get it done Stan!!
I was a big advocate to get Brandon Marshall and even more so if I would have known that the FO was planning on getting Sam Bradford. I do understand that we needed to solidify the OL and we didn’t have a clear owner at the time yet though.
If I were Devaney, I would tell VJ that we want him to lead the Rams WR corps back to the playoffs. He is going to be a model for the younger WR so he needs to keep that in mind. We have one of the best QBs for years to come. This is an opportunity to build something special in St. Louis. That should motivate this guy.
I would always be in favor to get someone with proven talent in the NFL than someone that hasn’t taken a single snap in the NFL and throw millions of dollars at him.
Our offense would be scary good! Bradford, SJ39, VJ, Avery, Clayton, Amendola and our TEs. We need to add depth in the OL and a backup RB and we would be all set in offense for years.
Bottom line to me is, if the Chargers want a 2nd round pick, do we feel we can get someone of VJ’s caliber in the 2nd round? To me the answer is clear… NO. Trade our 2nd rounder and use our 1st round pick to fix some of our holes.
Get it done Stan, Devaney and Co. and shock the NFL!!!!
San Diego doesn't want just one 2nd round pick.
They also want a 2012 pick, with the level depending on if he signs a long term contract. If he signed a long term contract, which is surely the only way we’d take him, we would be giving up two 2nd round picks. That’s too much. If we could get him for just our 2011 2nd pick and a long term contract of $30 million for 5 years, of course we should do it But for two 2nd rounders and $50 million (or just a one year contract) we should pass. Winning a couple of extra games this year at the cost of not building the entire team for the future is not a good decision.
2 2nd round picks???
I haven’t seen anywhere that SD was asking for 2 2nd rounders! I think I remember reading somewhere that they wanted 1 2nd round pick and some undisclosed conditional pick. Are you sure they want 2 2nd rounders? That may be a steep price to pay… but if that is the case, I think I would still make the deal if we sign him for a long contract (5+ years)
On draft day
it was rumored to be a 2011 2nd rounder and a 2012 3rd rounder. Pretty steep, but maybe that is the cost of winning.
P.S.
given the potential bidding war, the cost may rise.
draft picks
if it is a second round pick, which pick would be higher in the draft order? You’d think the Rams would be most likely to have the highest pick, but if they did land VJackson it’s a safe bet that they’d win more games than SEA. But, vice versa for SEA to land him.
MIN seems least likely to have a higher draft pick those two.
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by Ryan Van Bibber on Sep 17, 2010 10:48 AM CDT reply actions
2 rounder is too high
it takes about 4 years for a QB to develop and about 3 for a WR. if we draft a WR next year they will be peaking at the same time (think Harrison and Manning).I think Rivers and Gates made him look a lot better than he is. He is talented and has experience but we have so many holes and lack of depth that adding a WR is not taking us to the Superbowl. We need to stock pile picks not lose them. I would rather see the team go 3 and 13 then 6 and 10 this year. I know that sounds crazy but hopefully we can trade up in position in the draft and a couple of extra picks or some talented vets.
We seriously need to get this done.
If we have to give up a second round pick, so what? Vincent Jackson is worth it, and he’s a sure thing, unlike a wide receiver we might get with that pick.
VJ for a 2nd
Would be a great deal. To be able to stretch the field helps every body. Kronke needs to move on vet when oppurtuniy presents itself ans with uncapped year he could front load the deal to not effect CAP. Essentially we ARE filling a much needed hole, get it DONE!
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
by DevsLaRams on Sep 17, 2010 12:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
THE RAMS
Week 1 was a disappointment because the RAMS could of won that game. The offensive play calling was really terrible along with time management. The difference in the game was the touchback as the RAMS D.L. got the ball stripped from him, things like this make the difference between a bad team and a fair team.
by California Mobile CPR on Sep 17, 2010 12:47 PM CDT reply actions
call me crazy
But I’d rathe give our 1st for their 2nd and VJ than two years of 2nds.
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
by DevsLaRams on Sep 17, 2010 2:32 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I hope they get this done.
At first I was against trading for him but Sam Bradford needs a target to throw to and Vincent Jackson is the right guy to get. Adding VJ to the team would make the wide recievers better and help the progress of Sam Bradford.
I am still waiting for the back up rb's
and to steal 3k’s line…I am unhappyish about it.
Thought we would have someone at backup rb that didn’t ryme with Garby by week 2
I should be working right now...
You don't like Phredrick Snarby?
He’s got a great 60-yard time!
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
The Rams nee to make a good hard run at picking up VJ
We (like i’m on the team) have absolutly no #1WR and I find it real hard to say that we have a true #2WR. We’ve got Clayton who really surprised me this weekend. Less than a week with the team and put in a good day. He had some dropped balls that hit him in the hands that should have been catches so that worries me a bit with him. Then we have ’Amen’dola who is the only guy on this recieving corp that I think has proven himself. Robinson & Avery can’t stay health and I’m tired of hearing their names already. I’m interested to see what both Marty G and D Alexander can bring to this team. Both of them young and eager to learn. And tossing the rock ‘Bullseye’ Bradford. What I’m still trying to figure out from last weeks game is, did Clayton pick up the playbook and get on pace w/ ‘Bullseye B’ that fast or was ‘Bullseye’ just throwing the ball where Claytons hands were going to be. Just think if we brought in VJ and have the same thing happen. The only difference would be that VJ can hold on to the ball and get the YAC. Hell I think if we needed to give up a 2011 and 2012 2nd rounder, go for it. This pick up would give The Rams the one weapon that this team has missed for quite awhile. didn’t mean to ramble on that much. = P
"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense
supposedly clayton has a photographic memory so it was most likely a mix of Bradford seeing him open
and clayton knowing the playbook.
damn,
photographic memory, that’s gotta come in handy for just about anything. except for those things you wish you never saw.
"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense
hahhahhaah
I’m hesitant to give you credit for that line, but it’s great. Sig worthy.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
whats taking so long?
I would have thought with our DIRE need and Kronke first REAL oppurtunity to make a BIG move that we would have sealed the deal by now
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
by DevsLaRams on Sep 17, 2010 8:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Tonight was the 1st chance to get him...
there was a moratorium on signing him by the league until tonight (since the ruling earlier in the week).
If you are SD though, it doesn’t make any sense to trade him until the Wed deadline unless someone is willing to significantly overpay. SD best interestis to see who comes up with the best deal/gets desparate all the way to deadline – or see if any other team wants to jump in to the fray following week 2 games/injuries.
I should be working right now...
Let it be known
That Rams "Stan the man" Kronke is here to build a winning team. Sends a message to the league; if you can play, we can pay!
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
by DevsLaRams on Sep 17, 2010 8:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
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