Trying to explain the Rams' strange decision on third-and-long
After jumping out to a quick lead with a touchdown on their first play in Saturday night's preseason win, the St. Louis Rams' offense sputtered. Once again, the specter of uninspired play calling haunted fans as the offense failed to make anything happen, despite getting favorable field position on a couple drives.
I defended the play calling somewhat in comments yesterday. First of all, it was only the second week of the preseason when players, regardless of their draft position, can struggle with some pages of the playbook. The Browns secondary was doing a good job of covering our receivers; Feeley was successful because he found his tight ends at mid-field. The Browns played their top CBs well into the game, long after the Rams top receivers left the game. The search for mid-field targets continued when Bradford entered the game. On his first 16 snaps, not including punts and field goals, receivers were only targeted three times, with Robinson, Amendola and Avery all coming up with incompletions, Amendola did draw a pass interference call.
With the backup running backs in the game at that point, Cleveland had a much easier offense to defend, cover up the receivers and force the Rams to try and make YAC gains on short throws. Unimpressive route running, dropped passes and some bobbled snaps prevented that. I think that the Rams needed to establish that portion of their offense, which isn't to say they shouldn't have at least tried some longer passes. On the flip side, if the receivers aren't catching the short throws (Gilyard, Avery, Robinson, Burton and Foster were targeted 10 times with 0 receptions), what makes you think they're going to do any better with the longer ones?
The decision to keep trying with carries to running backs not named Steven Jackson added to the frustration with the playcalling, but I think the coaches had to give them more carries as part of the evaluation process. I don't know if that was the thinking behind a couple of playcalling decision that would be impossible to defend otherwise.
The plays in question came on the second drive of the second quarter. On the first down, Ogbonnaya is tackled for a 4-yard loss, setting up 2nd-and-14. The Rams hand it off to Ogbonnaya again who runs toward the same spot, right tackle, for a mere 2-yard gain. Would it have been too obvious to pass here? Given the situation, it seemed like a good down for a screen pass or anything designed to fake out the defense. That sets up 3rd-and-12. The Rams line up in the shotgun, but a Jason Smith false start penalty makes it 3rd-and-17. Yikes. It's obvious what the Rams should do, and hopefully there are any number of a plays for that situation to take advantage of a defense that is likely to stay in tight coverage while sending a minimal number of pass rushers. The Rams again line up in the shotgun and hand the ball to Ogbonnaya, who picks up 7 yards.
Yikes, runs on 3rd-and-long still give Rams fans nightmares after last season. I'm writing this without having game tape in front of me, so maybe there's more to the story. Precedent says otherwise. Why not take a the risk there and have the highly accurate Bradford attempt a throw across the field, it was a preseason game? Or why not even a comeback route or even a play that fakes the deep routes and asks a TE to pick up the rest of the yards on a short throw? Ogbonnaya hadn't been able to get much going as a runner so this decision seemed questionable. I'd feel a lot better about that call if Steven Jackson were running the ball, but even then we've seen it fall apart.
Again, maybe there was more to it. Maybe the coaches wanted to see what the offense and Ogbonnaya could do on that play for evaluation purposes. I don't know. But it was one reminder of the frustrating play calling we saw so much of last season. Hopefully, it gets worked out while we're still in the preseason.
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Possible Reasons:
1 – The weather was so bad, they saw Bradford’s first pass attempt wobble sloppily and almost get picked. After this, they decided not to hurt his confidence and practice the short stuff instead, figuring the long passes wouldn’t work in this weather anyway.
2 – They wanted to test the RB’s as much as possible against a Cleveland D that would be easier to analyze than a more impressive Vikings/Patriots/Ravens D.
3 – They wanted to give our (now much healthier) OL reps together in the running game. Offensive lineman enjoy running more than passing, so maybe they wanted to establish unity and practice their run blocking against a live opponent.
4 – Shurmur sucks
I vote #4.
I think one…JUST ONE….play action pass at some point would’ve been good practice for Bradford. However, if we see him airing it out this weekend (not likely), then I’ll say it may have been #2. Defining our backup RB is a very important issue for the preseason, afterall.
How about #5 - All of the above??
And you could throw in a bonus that the OC wanted to keep the clock running to get the game over with and get the hell out of Cleveland.
Sometimes even if it's obvious, you still do it
Hand off to Jackson, for example.
So ok, 2nd & 14 and you have a #1 overall draft pick playing QB. A rookie yes, but still, isn’t this what he was drafted so highly to do? The risk of an INT in a week 2 pre-season game is basically "so what?". I don’t know why the Rams coaches thought they couldn’t take a shot but it’s pretty disappointing they didn’t at least try in that situation.
Weather is not an excuse. Receivers usually have a huge advantage in getting seperation in messy conditions.
I didn't think...
it was a big deal at all. Teams run all the time in the 3rd and 15 (or longer) range. The thinking behind this sort of play call is to try to use field position to your advantage instead of risking throwing a pick or not getting any yards at all. A 7 yard run + a 50+ yard Jones punt can swing things in your favor. As much as video games like Madden make us forget, real football is a field position game.
As you eluded to in your last paragraph, it is the pre-season and evaluating play calling can be tricky. Sometimes coordinators purposefully call plays just to be able to get tape on a guy. For example, maybe they just wanted to see how Ogbonnaya ran on a play that wasn’t an obvious run situation (not guys stacked in the box).
Like I said, this play didn’t concern me at all. What did bug me was just how bland and predictable our offense looked last year and has looked in pre-season. The entire passing game consists of bubble screen, 5 yard hook routes, and short slants. If we don’t ever threaten to throw the ball more than 10 yards, how will we ever be able to move defenders back and open up the run game. I hope that there is more to the plan now that it is the 2nd year in the system. Maybe we just aren’t seeing it yet.
Good point
on the field position argument. While 100% of the time it will drive your fanbase nuts, it is a good call in game/clock management situations. I also wonder if OCs call certain plays in certain situations in the preseason just to try and not disclose their tendencies in games that don’t matter.
Oh but it is a big deal when Shurmur called the same kind of plays all of last year
This guy’s play calling sucks period don’t need to hear any excuses about the reasons why he calls such plays .specially from a fan that is just making guesses
I see other QB's taking shots downfield that are rookies.
He had good protection in the last game and what better time to learn than in the preseason.
You'll have to remember...
It’s the preseason. And not the “it’s preseason… and wins don’t matter”. I mean “it’s preseason and the coaching staffs need to get as many looks as they can”. They need as much film on everyone to be able to grade them.
Obviously 3rd & 15+ is a passing situation but Pat doesn’t need to see Null throw an incomplete pass… but he does need more file of Toston running the ball, so they call a running play. Getting a fist down in the air, does get you 4 more downs to film but, what if you don’t get a first down in the air? You just lost an opportunity to get game file on your RBs.
Ignore the fact you need a 1st down or how far it is. ALL plays are designed to make positive yardage, hopefully over 3 yards per play.
If the coach staff needs to watch a QB throw, they’ll call that play. Right now they need to see the RBs run (to bad they aren’t doing well). This is why you see runs plays called in “weird/crazy/stupid” situations.
Next week you’ll start to see series and drives strung together. But for the first two weeks, it’s just random play calling.
Whats there to see with our back up RB's?
They suck! They can’t get further down the feild then their shoe strings. You also have to remember that we the fans aren’t willing to sit back and watch unproductive plays again, after the season last year.
Ours WRs need to learn how to catch in weather and covered. They need to learn how to seperate from DBs. Bradford needs to learn how to make the WRs accountable for drops.
There is NO reason to waste 75% of the game watching the RB’s when they should be watching the players that will be around when the season starts.. Darby & Co. should’ve packed up and left with Foster.
Fine don't belive me
I’m sure guys make the 52 man roster because you’re clapping at home on your couch.
Frack listen
All you do here is try to instigate arguments with me or RamChop that’s the only reason you always be making smart ass comments,well I for one will be more then glad to respond to you every time in the most appropriate way,believe me you have knocked on the right door ,and I told you before Ram-on was nice guy I’m not so nice do your self a favor post about team needs or tell us about what your dreaming about don’t concern your self with me so much
It more Kool-Aid than anything, but yes. Yes we do.
Then we hold hands, skipping down the street singing “Happy Together” by the Turtles. And when we get to my house, I dump all my crayons on the floor, and we doodle running plays on construction paper until the street lights come on… just to piss you off.
Boofer i dont need to know what you and your boyfriend Frack do together at your house
Too much information lmao
Whats the matter with you?
It’s the truth. Your education on the preseason continues, just like your education on the game of football altogether. What are you doing commenting without Ramchops ass here to put your nose in.
Buddy unlike you I stand alone pretty well and so does RamChop
When is the last time you took on the hole room to argue a point,not very likely because you like to stick with the masses,so dont be talking about ass kissing to me because you are a master at that game
You wear standing up to the whole room as a badge of honor
It’s your reason for being here. You add nothing anyone else doesn’t already know and your proud that your claim to fame is to piss people off. You been picked on before and find satisfaction by being a chat room bully. Do you want to go out back of the gym at lunch recess and fight?
The reason I'm here is to follow new of my team how about you
You are mad funny first you tell me that you educate me about football very amusing since I have been a Ram fan since 1960 that’s before you were crapping yellow next amusing thing is you accuse me of being a room bully lmao when you just picked a fight with me for no reason,no buddy I stand up to bully’s like you,one or a hundred and one makes no difference to me and I don’t need any one rushing to my rescue like some people I know here
and last but not least what is it that you add to this room that every one doesn’t already know?my comments were not directed at you learn to mind your business if you don’t like what I say don’t read it simple as that
I was being sarcastic when I invited you out behind the gym
I’m sure we won’t have time this lunch recess anyway.
I was at the game
Saturday night in the rain. From what I saw the back up running backs are horrible. Bradford made smart throws but the recievers kept droping the ball. When Steven Jackson was in the game he ran right threw the Browns
d line. I can’t believe I’m saying this but when Feeley and SJ39 were in the game they actually moved the ball. The Rams had some key fumble recoveries. Some of the offensive play calling was questionable. From what I can remember I think it was 3rd and 3 to score a touchdown, Null throws the ball to Hoom instead of running the ball and giving us a 23 to 17 lead in the fourth quarter. But the Browns played worse than us, they kept fumbleing the ball and bad o line play in the fourth quarter which lead to the Rams victory. Overall the Rams won and the Browns played worse than us.

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