Size matters: More thoughts on the Rams interior line configuration
Setting aside the disappointing play of the offensive tackles in Saturday's game, one of the more curious slash disappointing moves in the St. Louis Rams offensive line's woeful performance was the decision to move Jason Brown from center to right guard and start Hank Fraley at center.
Spagnuolo explained the decision in terms of the matchup; He wanted a bigger body at guard against the larger defensive tackles in Minnesota's 4-3 scheme. With injuries forcing both Jacob Bell and John Greco to the sidelines that night, the Rams coaches didn't have many options to choose from among their starting interior linemen, leaving Brown, Fraley and Goldberg as the three guys they had to work with.
Sticking with the size issue, had Greco and his 329 lbs been available, I have no doubt that the starting interior would have had he and Goldberg at the guard spots and Brown back in the middle.
You also wonder about the move in terms of continuity. Had Brown stayed at center, the Rams and Fraley played OG, the interior o-line would have had two established guys in the middle. Goldberg having spent enough time filling in OG last year to know the position and the grouping well. The only new faces in new places on the OL in that case would have been Saffold at LT and Fraley at RG. On the surface at least, that combo would have provided some continuity.
Missed assignments were a factor in the sacks, as identified by Spagnuolo himself. The center has the primary responsibility for making those line calls, getting guys to be aware of their responsibility of who to block.
However, Brown was back at center when Bradford came into the game and the Rams line started giving up sacks. So how come the line blocked the Vikings starting defense better than their second string? The Vikings second teamers were more aggressive than the starters, who didn't play but a series or two. Which makes what happened to the Rams OL even more frightening had Jared Allen and the Williams brothers been working against this unit in a regular season game.
Without having the video in front of me, I know that at least two of the sacks Bradford took came from the outside, from the Rams OTs getting beat. Still, the inside of the line wasn't strong at holding the point of attack. They also failed to do much of anything in the run game, as witnessed by the two runs on 3rd-and-1 and 4th-and-1 that ended Bradford's first drive. So what happened to the interior line and what's next?
Hank Fraley did nothing to impress, at either spot. He seemed to lack power and mobility, getting owned at the line. Fraley helped anchor a pretty good OL in Cleveland in 2007, but in the two subsequent years, the middle part of the Browns' OL was weak. I don't know much else about the Browns' OL, so I present that fact with an asterisk next to it. Brown and Goldberg both have precedent on their sides, particularly Brown who was back in familiar territory at C when Bradford came into the game, ditto for Goldberg. I suspect having Fraley next to Jason Smith made his struggles with defenders getting around him on the inside slightly more pronounced. The running backs also did a poor job in pass protection on those plays.
I asked the guys at Pro Football Focus via Twitter about the logic in Spags decision about Brown, here's what they said:
There's logic to it. RG is the most on an island of the 3 interior guys, so the most likely to be 1 on 1 vs the DT
That was Richie Incognito at that spot last year, for most of the season anyway. And it makes you think that Greco would be the first in line for that job this year, given his size. After him, you drop further down the depth chart to guys who may have some talent, but lack the experience, e.g. Roger Allen III.
Bell is expected to be back in action this week, though limited, begging the question of whether or not they'll move Goldberg, 309 lbs, to the right side. Greco is out another week, at least.
The most watched story in the Rams camp this week will be the offensive line. The tackles will get most of the press, but the configuration of the interior will be important to keep you eye on too.
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Van I watched the video again
.. many problems in blitz pickup too… Ogbannaya and (suprisingly) Karney missed many pick-ups
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
Karney may not be very good
I have yet to see a single play where I was just blown away by Karney’s impact. I think he’s dead weight on many plays, and often Jackson runs away from the lead block side — whether that’s just his predilection for the cutback, or him knowing that that lead block isn’t going to be very good, I don’t know.
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Makes you wonder what Shurmur and the offensive coaching staff is thinking
Sam Bradford drops back, sees Laurent Robinson in the open, and he completes the pass for a gain of 28! Oh- Wait, looks like a holding penalty is going to call this one back...(Oh wait; Barron's gone, ignore that last sentence).
I didn't like the OL move
Because I think the O-line needs the best C playing C. Size is not a good enough reason in my opinion to screw around with that. Maybe you can move guys around on the D line, but the Center position is a completely different kind of gig. I really like Brown as our C and I wish they’d stop messing with that. Hard enough to have rookie OT’s.
On a related note, I also don’t think the 6’ 11" dude would make a good Guard if there’s any pulling involved. Guards need to be able to pull and get out in space. This guy is going to have very long legs and probably not be able to accelerate or move smoothly in traffic as a shorter guy of equal athleticism, maybe someone only 6’4". As an OT he can shuffle his feet side to side and probably be much more mobility-effective. Then again if you never pull your G’s, it doesn’t really matter.
i did notice on the stuff by Clifton Ryan
A Vikings guard pulled the wrong way and blocked his own center. It was hillarious
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I have a strange theory on why the O-line looked decent in the first couple of series...
but not so much once Bradford, Null and Lewis were in. The Vikings to me looked uninspired for the first couple of series, right up to when Amendola ran back the punt. It seemed like from that point on, particularly on defense, they played like you’d expect from the division champ. Maybe there was a “come to Jesus” meeting on the Viking’s sideline where they realized they were trailing the Rams, and the defensive coordinator started dialing up more pressure, especially with a rookie QB taking snaps? Anyway that’s what it seemed like to me. I was really hoping for a better showing, but wasn’t really expecting a real strong showing against the Norsemen at this stage of the game.
i tend to agree with that to some extent
add into that the fact that those guys with the second team have statements to make and they get a more aggressive blitz going.
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by Ryan Van Bibber on Aug 16, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
i tend to agree with that to some extent
add into that the fact that those guys with the second team have statements to make and they get a more aggressive blitz going.
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by Ryan Van Bibber on Aug 16, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
i tend to agree with that to some extent
add into that the fact that those guys with the second team have statements to make and they get a more aggressive blitz going.
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by Ryan Van Bibber on Aug 16, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you tend to agree with that?
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Aug 16, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
The line just needs to stay healthy
So we wont have to resort to shuffling guys around, out of their natural positions. Saffold and Smith need reps and the line as a whole needs to play together and start to build chemistry. Imagine having a different person by your side every week. The health of the O-line will dictate this season and possibly bradford’s future.
So much for that....
Saffold down. Hopefully not out. I hear his back is hurt.
Rams have lacked size and continuity for years
Until the shuffling STOPS, don’t expect continuity.
Expect sacks!
Fraley is an old man who should never be stronger than a younger man the same size or even a bit smaller.
Size does matter, especially with injuries due to weight differences, power differences, etc… Speed don’t cut it in the NFL unless that player is not really gonna get touched – if ya know what I mean.
Anyhow, good article based on the biggest problem on the team – the offensive line play.
Maybe the unit needs a nickname like the Hogs in D.C. had so that continuity through friendship and trust may happen. I would even go so far as to say the line coach has been a problem in St. Louis for awhile now.
I noticed on one play in particular, it actually looked like our o-line LET THE VIKINGS THROUGH.
Maybe an initiation of sorts for Bradford?
I dunno, doesn’t make any sense, but watch that one play. Our O-line pushed 2 yards past the line of scrimmage … but forgot to push any Vikings with them.
… or maybe all 4 d-linemen succeeded on a swim move at the same time. I dunno. rewatch it, it was weird looking.
I can take a beating ... I'm a Rams fan.
And by the way ... Darby runs like he's a 230 lb back ... except he's not.
You can’t weigh 200 lbs and have no wiggle.
I just checked and it says he weighs 219. He runs with no power and no moves and no speed.
He needs to go.
He’s the dude that went down to a refs right cross, right?
I can take a beating ... I'm a Rams fan.
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it sure ain’t1
we be lucky to get 1 win this season.
Spags will be fired if so!

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