Regrading the Rams draft
The St. Louis Rams came into the 2010 NFL Draft with plenty of needs to fill and just not enough picks to fill every hole in the roster. Reaction to the Rams' draft results from pundits and fans was mixed, with many of the former feeling a little deflated by the whole thing.
Behind those murmurs of discontent were the players not drafted by the Rams, seen as opportunities lost. And it's still hard to disagree with that notion based on a couple of picks, i.e. doubling up on tight ends. Alex Barron was supposed to make the Rams draft better, by giving them an extra pick; they would have taken a third rounder in compensation had some team made the RFA an offer. No team felt that Barron merited that kind of compensation. The Rams came out of the draft with an extra offensive tackle, Rodger Saffold in the second round, but just one linebacker, seventh rounder Josh Hull from Penn State.
With grade cards turned in, the Rams made a somewhat surprising move to swap Barron for OLB Bobby Carpenter, improving their offseason haul if not bolstering their letter grade for the draft.
Take a look at this trade from a value perspective. The Rams had one year left with Barron, who would have played here in 2010 on an RFA offer. After that, he most certainly would have walked; the Rams sure didn't want to keep him beyond that. GM Billy Devaney wasn't able to get an extra pick, but he did at least get some return for Barron, a young linebacker who still has some upside and at the worst gives the Rams a valuable role player in the nickel defense.
I'll admit, given the Rams recent run of luck with OL injuries, losing a capable starter is tough to swallow. But other than his track record of health, Barron wasn't really worth keeping around. For the Rams, he was no better than a third OT, the swing tackle that he's expected to be in Dallas. Mike Sando said this about Barron yesterday in a discussion on his Facebook page:
Who were the elite pass-rushers Barron shut down so frequently? If he were that good and that consistent, he would be going to Pro Bowls and signing a long-term deal, not getting traded for Bobby Carpenter. Agreed that Barron was not horrible when he played well, but the Rams are trading one year of him.
The Rams get the OLB they need, and though Bobby Carpenter hardly qualifies as a prospect anymore, he is young - he'll be 27 this season - and still has potential. Carpenter was the last first round pick of the Parcells Era in Dallas, a classic example of a prospect whose development was hurt by regime change. He should be better suited to a 4-3 defense, and, as I mentioned yesterday, the Rams coaching staff has a good track record for developing linebackers. They're gambling that they can extract the potential that made Carpenter a first round pick.
It's a good trade for the Rams. They've now upgraded their linebackers, even if Carpenter never transcends beyond a situational player, it was a situation that the Rams needed help with. The Rams draft looks better now because the Saffold (who many regarded as a first rounder) pick gave the Rams a starter whose personality fits the mold they want and allowed them to move Alex Barron.
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I nailed the Rams thoughts with respect to selecting an OL in the draft and sending AB to the cleaners.
In Fact, many people nailed this one – kinda easy to confirm once that OL selection was made.
they had not intention of keeping Barron
Does anyone have any real insight on Bobby Carpenter. Ive heard the same , he played out of position.
If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't come back, find it and kill it.
We'll all see how this works out over the season.
However, we had 3 of our 5 starting OL injured last year. Barron was one of the two not injured. We haven’t improved out depth at OL in the slightest if we let Barron go, and we are just as vulnerable to injuries as last year. And we all know how that worked out last year. This doesn’t look good to me.
Lets remember Barron wasnt good.
Just because you have a lot of starts doesn’t make you a good player. He was resonsible for a lot of injuries to our qbs.
If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't come back, find it and kill it.
We can't worry about injuries and have to make moves to help the team.
Once Saffold was selected most of us knew Barron was gone. The guy gets more laundry thrown at him than a dry cleaner…or at least enough to make him a huge liability. How many times did Barron or Incog ruin drives w/penalties last season?
I say good riddance and welcome new blood on the team, let’s get someone in here who wants to learn and contribute to the team.
comment from a buddy of mine....
“In typical Alex Barron fashion, he had a flight scheduled for Dallas but accidentally tried to board an earlier flight.”
by Rams Homer on May 7, 2010 11:47 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
"False Start; #70 Offense. 5 yard penalty; repeat third down."
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
That only happened
5 times last season in 16 games. Why does everyone keep acting like it happened 5 times a game?
Because he was also the *most* penalized player in the league overall
and has consistently been so throughout the course of his career. And “only” five false starts still has to be amongst the league worst- I looked but couldn’t find stats for that but I’ll eat my hat if it wasn’t- not to mention that they seem to come at the worst times, especially considering that we’ve had a hard enough time getting first downs as it is.
We haven’t been a “good first and 15 team” capable of moving the ball through the air like Cowboys, we’re a 1-dimensional running team that will still rely heavily on the run during our QB’s rookie season.
I had heard once he got on the right plane..
It pulled away from the gate too soon and got penalized by have to wait an extra 5 minutes to take off :-)
Barron....
I’d rather be light on OL depth than to have a player who consistently kiiled drives with penalties. Barron has been in the league long enough. He isn’t going to change the way he plays. The Cowboys better be ready to work harder when Barron is playing to keep drives alive!
I’ve no doubts the Rams can address any OL issues with free agents who will, at least, paly with more passion than Barron ever did.
I believe Carpenter will definitely help the defense!
Yup.
I don’t like the assumption that two young tackles automatically=Sam Bradford getting killed. It is a risk, sure, but keeping Barron would also have been a risk.
For example: what about when Sam gets a rhythm going and hits a receiver for a crucial third down conversion and we get that dreaded flag? We’re better off without Barron in the long run, and our young QB doesn’t need such an unnecessary hurdle to overcome early in his NFL learning process.
Guys, I don't want to be defending Barron
but he averaged less than one penalty per game last year. You guys are talking like he had four or five per game. Yes, they were frustrating, and yes they could kill drives, but facts are facts. He had less than one penalty per game, and he did not consistently kill drives when he only had less than one per game. We are sending an experienced OT away, leaving ourselves with one who was hurt for half of last year (his first year) and one that is going to be a rookie this year. We have no real OTs on the team behind them, just a bunch of Guard/Tackle backups that didn’t do much to prove themselves last year.
And for this experienced OT who could certainly play better than any of the backups if injury occured, we are getting a LB who has done nothing in the pros, is seen as too soft, and is trying to recover from off-season shoulder surgery. How is this a good deal for the Rams?
Only avg's one per game, how's that compare to the league?
Last year he lead the league w/14 penalties & am sure he’s one of the top three penalty kings since 2004. The one thing we can agree on andyrose, is that Barron is consistent w/his penalties. lol.
Clutch time…Barron has 11 clutch time penalties, 2nd place. No more drive killer will help.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=3102510
I really was not expecting this type of reaction
Barron was a thorn in the Rams side for years now. He consistently underachieved for his first round status, Goldberg is nearly his equal minus all the headaches, we just drafted a first round ability guy in Saffold (with some very likable intangibles), and even with the loss we gained a possible starter in Bobby Carpenter. From what I’ve taken from this: we just lost a backup (in a position we’re deep in, and still deep in) and gained a starter (in a position we did not have a starter in). Seems like simple economics to me.
Julio Jones for Rams 2011
But he was not a backup
The reality is he was a starter on this team. Last year’s #2 overall pick couldn’t supplant him so why would this year’s 2nd rounder? He’s just a rookie.
I thought Smith was relegated to RT status
so there would be no ‘positional battle’ between the two, would there? I think you’re overstating Barron’s value to the team. He’s not good for the team & it has nothing to do with his skill for the position. He obviously has no passion for the game and isn’t good for the team’s morale. It really sux when 11 palyers are trying to win a game and 1 players could care less…. at least that’s my perspective.
when 11 palyers are trying to win a game and 1 players could care less
well yeah, that sucks alright. I’m no fan of Barron’s.
I don't believe
this staff shies away from positional battles. I believe they are blue collar, “you get it when you earn it” type guys. I believe Barron played on the left because the rookie didn’t beat him out and Barron gave them the best chance to win.
No one else on the roster beat out Barron, either….R or L tackle. Does that say more about Barron or more about their O-line depth? Eh, debatable.
I think this might be a tough transition
Starting 1 rookie is tough enough, but 2 OTs with less than half a season between them … an RB coming off back surgery and maybe a rookie QB too?
This going to be harder than people think. O-line strength is needed on this team, with this crew, and they didn’t get some great OLB in the deal.
Carpenter isn’t going to make you forget about Barron if this offensive line sputters. They really took OT to a position of weakness now. Bottom line on Barron was that no one currently on the team could beat him out at Tackle.
by CoachConnors on May 7, 2010 6:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Coach, I concur
As I mentioned on another post, I too would have preferred Barron on the O-line this year and let Saffold get weaned in at guard. You are correct that Jason has yet to prove his worth. So I guess our starting O-Line might end up looking like (left to right)
Smith, Bell, Brown, (Greco/Goldberg/Saffold), (Saffold/Goldberg). Now if there is an injury on the O-line, there is going to be some shuffling going on. Goldberg would probably be our swing tackle if he is not our starter on the right side unless Trautwein/McKee can pick up the slack.
I guess we need to insure we have a “mobile” QB behind them again. We should not be asking SJax to do too much blocking, we are wearing him out running with the ball.
Now I do hope Bobby C can make us forget about not getting and OLB earlier in the draft and I also hope w/o Barron that a “new” chemistry can be built on the O-lIne.
Some people call me an optimist though :-)
so barron..
proved his worth? Im surprised how people think Barron was this great frekin tackle. The guy gave up his fair share of sacks and got blown by in games where he showed have dominated. He gets more false starts in his 4th and 5th years than a rookiee in his first does so its not his discipline. Am i missing something here?
Great tackle no, but the best the Rams had yes
No one said he’s great, but Barron was playing Left Tackle for 1 reason only: he was the best T on the roster. That’s it. I ragged on his penalties too, I am no fan of barron’s, believe me. But I don’t think anyone on the Rams would say their O-line is stronger this year, either.
Next year…year after that….yes, because (I trust) the rookies will come on …but for right now, this O-line just dropped off it’s top Tackle and there’s no way they are stronger for it.
I’m not arguig for keep Alex as much as I am for not weakening the line. I would MUCH rather seen them get a vet in there to replace him, rather than a 2nd rounder.
Smith is the best
he just needs the time to prove it.
I understand your concern for OL depth. But even with all the injuries last year the line did not preform up to par with Barron around. Incognito was very talented. (And yes I know he did not play LT), yet I believe we a better team without him.
This trade is good for us.
OL
Why do people automatically assume that experience playing one position on the OL will prepare then for other positions? A tackle is a tackle and a guard is a guard. Protecting the outside edge as a tackle is vastly different than not letting the pocket get pushed back as a guard. It can help some but just let the man get his reps at his actual position.
Are you cheering for his replacement?
Presumably Smith will play on the left but in a very practical sense Barron’s replacement is Saffold.
I meant thank goodness Barron has moved down south to Texas.
Plus, we got a new LB, even if a questionable one. And, Smith and Saffold should be fine anchors on the offensive line. Sometimes Coach, just getting rid of chronic losers, i.e. Barron, Incognito, McMichael, Boller, Bulger, Little, etc. can help a team more than acquisitions. A lot of the guys in the 2010 locker room won’t be expecting to automatically lose every week.
And now we find out Carpenter's heart and passion have been in question for some time in Dallas
Did you read the Rams Herd article? jeez its ugly
by CoachConnors on May 10, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad I'm not going to be playing QB
for the Rams this year. Whoever is sacrificed at that position is gonna get his brains beat in. Our OL was finally starting to develop some depth – now we’re at least as bad off as last year. I hope Gilyard can get open real quick, since that will be the only hope for the QB.
Just because people didn’t like Barron is no reason to make a bad trade and seriously weaken our OL. We have to be realistic and recognize depth is extremely important. Barron could have provided that depth. Let Smith and Saffold start out as the OTs, but have Barron to step in if either can’t handle the job or gets hurt (remember Smith having problems early at RT, and then getting hurt). I’m just getting more and more concerned about the moves Devaney and Spags are making. It looks like it’s gonna be another long year.
more evidence it's not about this year
we have not seen Stafford with pads on yet and he is the starter? I’m not a fan of Barron at all but you knew he was going to be on the field. With smith missing half the year does anyone know what we even have. Goldberg has the most NFL exp at left tackle on the team. It’s could be a real ugly year. This move will give the young guys a lot of expierience. I sure hope they can play.
i don't know...
bobby may have been playing out of position but he still hasn’t proven anything… at least barron proved he can somewhat block, even if he does get called for too many penalties. hopefully spags will work his magic with bobby, dallas should be happy getting a younger and less talented flozell adams hah.
Unless we turn around and sign a solid FA swing tackle, this move doesn’t thrill me at all. Even if Barron was gone after 2010, I still think having him around one more year provided us depth at positions, where we have some big question marks until Smith and Saffold prove they can stay healthy and
handle both sides of the line. We are now gambling Bradford’s health on it for a guy who has done absolutely nothing in 4 NFL seasons. I have backed this FO since day one but they are concerning me lately with decisions that seem rash and forced rather than logical progressive moves.
My life's unique distinction is being one of the very few who bought (and suffered through) Rams season tickets in Anaheim from '86 to '94. Boy, I miss those days.
by cuseguy on May 8, 2010 7:02 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed
It could still be good in the short and long run if Carpenter becomes a solid everydown OLB that we can re-sign.
That being said, as I mentioned in another thread, I think this move came down to the FO thoughts of what is an easier camp casualty pick up – a starting OLB or OT depth. They obviously decided OT depth – and yes, I am am making the assumption that the will sign a swing OT.
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Lttle?
Ramchop, why do you have L Little in your post about losers, he was our best player on the d line last year and the most consistent…

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