The Showdown: TE vs. WR
I've had this on my mind for a couple of days and I've finally been able to get this out...
We've talked quite in depth about having a #1 WR on TST over the past week, mostly because of the Rams apparent lack of interest in finding one. This post isn't about that (I wouldn't want to make it and you probably wouldn't want to read the same thing over again anyway). Carneros had an option in his poll a few days ago that intrigued me, specifically the option about adding a better TE to make up for the lack of a true #1.
That got me thinking. Are teams more successful when they have a #1 Tight End to take pressure of the QB? Are they more likely to go to the playoffs then teams that have a WR who accumulates more stats? Does a team even need a #1 WR with a good tight end and does it make a difference? Well, lucky for you, I sifted through eight years of data to try and find an answer. Before I crunch the numbers, first I'll explain the ground rules:
- To be considered a "#1 Tight End," the player must have been in the Top 50 statistically for receiving yards. To be a team that has no "#1 WR", the Tight End must have also have been the top target for the team.
- To be a team that has a #1 WR instead and #1 Tight End, the team must have had a WR who accumulated more yards then the Top 50 TE. Only teams who had a tight end statistically in the top 50 for receiving yards were used.
There reason why I have "quotes" around #1 WR and #1 TE is because I'm not jumping into the murky waters of what exactly makes them a #1. For the sake of simplicity, you are a #1 TE if you're in the top 50 for yards, and a #1 WR if you were the top target for the team (more yards then the tight end).
Hit the jump to see the results.
*Note* the players are in no particular.
2009
| Tight End | Team | Record | #1 WR |
| Health Miller | PIT | 9-7 | Santonio Holmes |
| Zach Miller | OAK | 5-11 | - |
| Kellen Winslow | TAM | 3-13 | - |
| Vernon Davis | SFO | 8-8 | - |
| Antonio Gates | SDG | 14-2 | Vincent Jackson |
| Jason Witten | DAL | 13-3 | Miles Austin |
| Dallas Clark | IND | 11-5 | Reggie Wayne |
2008
| Tight End | Team | Record | #1 WR |
| Tony Gonzalez | KAN | 2-14 | - |
| Jason Witten | DAL | 9-7 | Terrell Owens |
| Owen Daniels | HOU | 8-8 | Andre Johnson |
| Chris Cooley | WAS | 8-8 | Santana Moss |
| Dallas Clark | IND | 12-4 | Reggie Wayne |
| Zach Miller | OAK | 5-11 | - |
| Antonio Gates | SDG | 8-8 | Vincent Jackson |
2007
| Tight End | Team | Record | #1 WR |
| Tony Gonzalez | KAN | 4-12 | - |
| Jason Witten | DAL | 13-3 | Terrell Owens |
| Kellen Winslow | CLE | 10-6 | Braylon Edwards |
| Antonio Gates | SDG | 11-5 | - |
| Chris Cooley | WAS | 9-7 | Santana Moss |
| Owen Daniels | HOU | 8-8 | Andre Johnson |
2006
| Tight End | Team | Record | #1 WR |
| Tony Gonzalez | KAN | 9-7 | - |
| Jason Witten | DAL | 9-7 | Terrell Owens |
| Kellen Winslow | CLE | 4-12 | Braylon Edwards |
| Antonio Gates | SDG | 14-2 | - |
| Chris Cooley | WAS | 5-11 | Santana Moss |
| Todd Heap | BAL | 13-3 | Mark Clayton |
2005
| Tight End | Team | Record | #1 WR |
| Tony Gonzalez | KAN | 10-6 | Eddie Kennison |
| Antonio Gates |
SDG |
9-7 | - |
| Jeremy Shockey | NYG |
11-5 |
Plaxico Burress |
| Alge Crumpler | ATL |
8-8 | - |
| Todd Heap |
BAL |
6-10 | Derrick Mason |
| Chris Cooley | WAS |
10-6 | Santana Moss |
| Jason Witten |
DAL |
9-7 | Terry Glenn |
2004
| Tight End | Team | Record | #1 WR |
| Tony Gonzalez | KAN | 7-9 | - |
| Jason Witten | DAL | 6-10 | Keyshawn Johnson |
| Antonio Gates | SDG | 12-4 | - |
| Eric Johnson | SFO | 2-14 | - |
| Randy McMichael | MIA | 4-12 | Chris Chambers |
| Alge Crumpler | ATL | 11-5 | - |
| Jermaine Wiggins | MIN | 8-8 | Nate Burleson |
2003
| Tight End | Team | Record | #1 WR |
| Tony Gonzalez | KAN | 13-3 | - |
| Shannon Sharpe | DEN | 10-6 | Rod Smith |
| Todd Heap | BAL | 10-6 | - |
So there you have it folks. For the past eight years, these are the teams and players that met the criteria. Before I spit any more numbers out, take a look at these charts. For the most part, the teams that had good records with the tight end as the one who had the most receiving yards for the season were either a) San Diego (Antonio Gates) or b) Kansas City (Tony Gonzalez). Sure, there are some other examples, a Todd Heap here, an Alge Crumpler there. But the fact that the two others constantly showed up is pretty a much a testament to how damn amazing those two players have been at tight end.
So! Enough jibber-jabber about the jaw dropping skills of Tony and Antonio. Here is what I found:
For teams that had a receiver who had more yards then a #1 TE, the overall record was:
237-179, which comes out to about 9.1 wins per season.
For teams that did not have a receiver who had more yards then a #1 TE, the overall record was:
133-139, which comes out to about 7.8 wins per season.
Granted, without Tony Gonzalez or Antonio Gates, the latter numbers would be worse (about 6.5 wins a season). Even with them added in, teams that had a receiver as their #1 yardage guy on average won one more game per season then those teams that didn't. That doesn't seem like much, but a 9-7 record vs. a 8-8 record is light years apart when it comes down to the wildcard race. It's not easy to do at 9-7, mind you, but the only chance a team has at 8-8 is to win the division in this day and age of football, and even in the NFC West, that isn't easy.
Speaking of playoffs, I also calculated that out as well:
For teams that had a receiver who had more yards then a #1 TE, their chances of going to the playoffs where:
50% (13 out of 26 teams went to the playoffs) and the 13 times they didn't go, the teams average wins per season was 7.4
For teams that did not have a receiver who had more yards then a #1 TE, their chances of going to the playoffs where:
41% (7 out of 17 teams went to the playoffs) and the 10 times they didn't go, the teams average wins per season was 5.3
These numbers, to me, are much more dramatic. While the chance of going to the playoffs went up by 9%, the average wins per season of a team that didn't go to the playoffs but still had a WR to compliment the TE was 7.4, which is still quite impressive, as opposed to those that didn't have a WR to go with the TE (5.3). Of course, it's always hard to evaluate numbers on a scale that can include intangibles, but still. 5 wins and some change isn't something 31 teams out of this league would be hoping for. Excusing the Rams, of course.
So, while having a good (or great) tight end would be a great thing, the Rams need to add a number one receiver, not necessarily someone who is a prototypical player, but someone who can compliment the tight end. Do it for the fans. Do it for Sam Bradford. Do this and statistically, they will most likely have a better season.
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We'll get our number one guy next year
Like the rest of you, I was angry that the rams seemed to ignore certain needs in the last draft. But lets face it, we had A LOT of holes and its impossible to fill them all in one off season with good players. I like the WRs we have but we are missing that big tall physical guy. There will be a bunch of those in this upcoming draft and we will most likely spend our 1st or 2nd round pick on one. We won’t be going anywhere this season anyway. Let bradford and his young o-line grow and build a chemistry with one another this year and we’ll grab our go to guy next year and hopefully put together a respectable season.
if robinson can stay healthy
he can turn into our miles austin type player
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
robinson did look great before his injury
he had a way of getting open and was very reliable when it came to catching the ball but he just cant stay healthy.
I have said many times
Robinson can’t stay healthy. When he gets injured this year we have to let him go; this ‘prediction’ is based on his track record. I see his skill, but from my persepective he has only one direction to go, up. I hope he proves me wrong.
So how has Robinson rehabed?
Is he okay now? There hasn’t been a lot of talk about his current condition or his rehab progress…or has my head been in the sand for too long.
Go Rams!
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he’s rehabbing fine and is expected back for training camp. Injuries are a apart of the game and happen to everyone and can happen for a ridiculous amount of different scenarios. Robinson had a pile of 300 pounders roll on his leg after a play…How is any amount of conditioning, genetic attributes, or physical ability going to prevent an injury here? Just have to do all you can and hope it doesn’t happen agian. I’d love a #1 receiver but i think the guys we have are capable of that role in the future and we’ll never know if we keep drafting and giving up on guys after a single year.
I understand your point that this was a fluke accident,
but he’s had one sort of physical problem or another every year. At some point you have to say he is just injury prone and stop counting on him. If he goes down again this year, I think the Rams have to make that call.
Great Analysis
Thanks for your efforts and getting the facts out.
Yes, we have allot of holes but unless we get busy Jackson’s back will not hold up trying to carry this team. Allot of great teams in history had the triad of a good if not great QB,RB,WR.
It took all three for us to win the Superbowl. Lets follow that formula and get another receiver…It appears we need a #1 receiver and the question is how the heck do we get one now.
Don't forget
LT was in his prime when Gates helped carry SD to those winning records. When LT went down they had V. Jackson to take his place as a compliment to Gates. IMO as long as you have one or the other then you still have a chance…
That appears to be the exception, yes.
I thought that adding all sorts of exception type ideas would kind of sag it down, but I agree.
Tony Gonzalez had Priest Holmes, and Antonio Gates did have Vincent Jackson, however when Antonio was the primary receiver are the seasons that I had in mind.
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Great Post!
Really good stuff, I love when guys look deep into situational stats.
I admit though…I’m a bit unconvinced of the bottom line conclusion as it pertains to the Rams, if only because the Rams having a rookie QB and rely on a power run game. I think those two conditions just beg for a TE. Fendi might be the guy, who knows.
That said, I also think a #1 WR is more important than a TE, overall, for most teams contending for a SB or Conference Championship, and your research is pretty strong.
(hands clapping)
Why thank you
I’d agree, the situation is ripe for the Rams to have a play making tight end. I just wanted to know, Is that enough? Will it do? I had a brainshat session and I think I’d like to look at 1st round rookie QB’s and how much of an impact veteran WRs/TEs or anyone who can flat out catch the ball help their development. Something along those lines.
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did I really put in Same Bradford? that's embarrassing..
I love all the cool features SBNation adds for you when your writing articles…But I’d trade it all for a sports spellcheck… same Bradford? Did you mean…Sam Bradford?
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Oh I never really thought of either one of them as enough
Only which I wanted first, and that was TE.
I still think a WR is probably going to have a more important role on a Championship team.
But there are some variables I’d like to see tweaked. Same questions you asked but with teams with rookie QBs. Maybe ask it about teams that were run oriented, did the TE or WR help more, and Teams that don’t pass to the RB.
by CoachConnors on May 6, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a lot more in depth job
But just from my head, the only two teams that consistently did well with the TE as the #1 receiver were the Chiefs and Chargers, who had great running backs at that time. The Ravens had a good run game for awhile in Jamal Lewis, but that didn’t last.
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too bad he was a bad TE for us
I had high hopes for him. I think Fendi will be in this year in the red zone. For some reason, I believe he will be a great TE. I see Fells & Billy leaving next year as we have two replacements for less ca$h…based on how they develop.
My father-in-law sees life as a pessimist = life only gets better if you believe the worst will happen. I see life as an optomist as I believe ppl will generally do their best, but sometimes have a low bar so I am not let down. Sometimes it’s difficult to believe.
He wasn't bad at all
I remember seeing him and Chris chambers tear it up on the dolphins together. And I was so pysched when I saw that we had signed him in free agency
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I sure was...
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A record number of TEs were picked up in this draft. For teams drifting towards the spread, an athletic TE who can block and catch a lot of passes is less of a luxury. I think in the older stats something was off if the TE was getting a ton of catches (meaning the WRs weren’t good) but it’s more natural now to have a dominant pass-catching TE. (Full disclosure: I’m an Oklahoma fan and OU had two TEs drafted, so I’m a little biased as to their value.)
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I totally appreciate your effort
in breaking this all down for us VanRam but I don’t think (in my opinion) it’s as straight-forward as wins-vs-loses based solely on TEs and WRs. You really have to take into consideration the supporting cast around these two positions. Which teams had a great quarterback? Which teams had a great offensive line? Which teams had a great running back? Which teams had all three or a combination of all three? J just feel there are just too many other factors involved that can influence the outcome of teams win-lose record. Either that or maybe I’m just missing the boat on what you are trying to explain here.
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
I did enjoy it...I was just giving my opinion.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
He just meant you credited the wrong author
by CoachConnors on May 7, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Psh I take it as a compliment
I’m quite impressed with Van’s writing skills. Any time something I put is mistaken for his, I won’t mind.
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a different look
Very good post and much appreciated. But I think it would be interesting (and a little more relevant to the Rams situation) to look at how teams did with a top TE but not tope WR vs. teams who had a “#1 WR” but did not have a top tier TE.
I think, given the choice, no one would prefer to have a good TE alone over havind a good TE and a good WR. But what if you only have the oppurtunity to pick one or the other, which would be the smarter choice?

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