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Spagnuolo and "Genius" QB Development

Rams head coach Steve Spagnuolo recently called Andy Reid's development of Donovan McNabb "genius."  I know some guys were wondering just exactly what happened to make Spags think it was so great, especially since Spags has his own shiny new QB in first overall pick Sam Bradford.  

From the sound of the interview Spagnuolo has an open mind about how a QB can be brought up to speed, and he specifically made a point to say he needed to see Bradford work with the veterans before he'll "know what we have."   Still, it might be worthwhile to take a look at what Andy Reid did with Donovan McNabb so we have some sense of what Spags might be considering with Bradford.

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Time Machine back to 1999: Andy Reid's Philadelphia Eagles make Donovan McNabb the 2nd overall pick in a draft that seems exceedingly rich in Quarterbacks.  The first three picks in a row are all Quarterbacks, contributing to a total of 5 of the first 12 selections. The Eagles are picking 2nd because they won just three games the year before.

Philly has also just added a 7-year veteran Quarterback in Doug Pederson.  Pederson hasn't played much (and not at all for the Eagles) but he's been in the league with the Packers and Dolphins and knows how the game works.  His job with the Eagles is to be the "temporary starter."

Usually, a rookie QB being groomed for the lead role will serve as sort of an assistant to the head coach and coordinators on game day.  In the days before speakers in the helmets, it was common for the head coach to tell the clipboard QB what the play was, and he in turn would relay it to the playing QB, thus getting familiar with the terminology of their system.

  • In game 1, Reid elects to start Pederson. Not surprising, since  rookies usually don't start the very first game of their pro career. What is surprising however, is what Reid does next.
  • In game 2,  Pederson starts but McNabb comes in to play during the second half.  
  • In games 3 and 4, more of the same: Pederson starts but McNabb comes in to play at some point during the game.  And it's not just garbage time either, these are meaningful game minutes.  Pederson only attempts 3 more passes than McNabb during these games.
  • By game 10, (and after) McNabb was starting -- the first Eagles rookie QB to start a game in more than 25 years. He starts basically the last half of the season, except for one game he missed due to injury.
  • In game 14, Pederson and McNabb split minutes for the last time. After that it was all McNabb, all the time. He ends up with just 11 passes less than Pederson on the year.

So instead of the typical QB on the sideline with a clipboard, waiting for his chance like a good soldier and trying to soak up all the knowledge he can, McNabb is eased into the pro game one quarter, and one game, at a time.

Maybe it shouldn't be surprising for QB development to happen like that, but think of how infrequently we see this kind of time split over a whole season. 

There are some legitimate pitfalls associated with having 2 different guys playing Quarterback at different points in a game. Its harder to pull off than you might think.  The linemen want to get used to one guy's voice and inflection for the snap count.  The team also wants to know who really is leading them, too (don't underestimate how important this is to some players, its real). The coach really needs to have clear communication, make sure everyone is on the same page about expectations, and make sure they have a dutiful, veteran QB who will cooperate with the plan. Signing a guy who is good enough to play in the game but will still fill that role of temporary starter is sometimes hard to do.

Time Machine forward to today, Spags gives an interview where he acknowledges the early success of QB's Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco.  He talked about how they were able to bring their teams to the playoffs in their first year, and he says he understands there are legitimate ways to bring a QB up besides the way he witnessed Andy Reid do it with McNabb.

But before you think Spags is venturing too far from the coaching tree, has also just added a 7-year journeyman Quarterback that hasn't played much (and not at all for the Rams) but he's been in the league with the Eagles and Dolphins.  Sound familiar?  Its easy to see how closely this situation resembles Reid's Eagles.

When Spags says he needs to see Bradford work in camp with the veterans (and more importantly, against the veterans) , he means he doesn't know if he can even set a goal for Bradford to play in the 4th game or 14th game. He can't tell you exactly what the plan is until he knows what he has to work with. 

And it may not be entirely up to Bradford when that happens, especially if the Rams need to start their second round rookie at Right Tackle. Some people think the Detroit Lions had Matthew Stafford in the game before they could protect him, leading to him getting injured and having season ending surgery last year.  How many years can Detroit afford for that to happen?  The Rams Tackles will have to prove they can protect the Quarterback first, or it would be foolish to put him in there and turn him into David Carr.  If they go with Saffold, they probably won't be ready by game 2 like Philly was with McNabb, but who says they have to go with Saffold?  They could put someone a little more experienced at RT if they think Bradford is ready to get some minutes.

No matter what they do with the line, and no matter what Bradford looks like when he finally gets his first practices with the veterans, this much seems certain: we're likely to see Sam Bradford throwing passes in a game sooner rather than later.

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Coach, thanks for clarify the "genius" remark.

I see you are still getting your “digs” in about starting “rookies” at tackles ;-)

by RBramfan on May 13, 2010 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

doh!

yeah, thanks, says Eagles now!
Pederson played for Packers, Eagles, Dolphs…Feeley just Eagles and Dolphs.

I’m not really trying to get any digs about starting Tackles, as much as just making the point that if they do start a rookie RT it might make it tougher to get Bradford on the field right away. That’s a lot of rookiness.

That said, I would be very happy to see the best case scenario in which Saffold plays great from week 1 and Bradford plays great from week 1, and there’s a seemless transition.

by CoachConnors on May 13, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I even ran the spellchecker. Just goes to show I am not the genius

every time I run the spell checker it joins words together and all kinds of dumb stuff…so maybe it showed me and I bailed on it too quickly to notice…
anyway, fixed now, thanks!

by CoachConnors on May 13, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good post bro.

Ignorance is bliss and way too many people are happy.

by Everett 11 on May 13, 2010 4:05 PM CDT reply actions  

That

would be an interesting way to develop Bradford, but was Pederson a decent QB when that was happening, I don’t really have any faith the Feeley will be good at all, seems like another Boller to me. If Feeley isn’t very good is it rally prudent to have him play half the season? I guess it just depends on who does better in the camps, maybe they will do that with null and bradford.

by kylew1 on May 13, 2010 5:16 PM CDT reply actions  

That too would be interesting

At least Null does have 1 year under Shurmer’s offense.
I know Feeley and Shurmer go back a ways in Philly but Shurmer was the QB coach then, not the OC

by RBramfan on May 13, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doug Pederson invoked just as much excitement as AJ Feeley does now

He went 2-7, passed for ~1,200 yards and had 7/9 TD/INTS in McNabb’s rookie season.

Feeley has a career 7-8 record. We’re not expecting Feeley to be good; we’re just expecting him not to be horrible. He knows the system and will be [probably nothing more or less than] a capable warm body to help break in Bradford AND our line. For about $8 million less than Bulger.

by kswiss on May 13, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

With all this chatter

I can’t wait for the regular season to start to see what happens, but (Gulp!) that’s not for almost four more months, bummer.

Go Rams!

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s

by Nbr1RamFan on May 13, 2010 5:26 PM CDT reply actions  

You is a good man Coach

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on May 13, 2010 5:45 PM CDT reply actions  

A.J. will be a Guinea Pig

behind a line that must still prove it can protect the qb.

by jlcdb70 on May 13, 2010 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

^This^

and echoing CC’s last point. One of the main reasons I prefer not to have Sam start out of the gates is because there is no reason to throw the future of the franchise out there until you know that the Oline has proven it can stay healthy and gel together to keep him upright.

Also gives him time to see what defenses are doing to scheme vs our O (I assume play calling will be mostly similar regardless of QB) with the exception that Bradford will be seeing much more blitzing then Feeley.

I should be working right now...

by gorams77 on May 13, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd almost be tempted to send him out early

and then sit him once/if the O-line starts getting depleted to injury.

Onubon > Gates

by Carneros on May 14, 2010 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't like that idea personally becuase....

I think it has the potential to play with a young QB/players mind that they started and then were benched – almost like they failed and the coaching staff didn’t believe in him. Even if that is not the intetion or reasoning for it.

If it is a necessity that he play early in the minds of the FO – then I have no problem with the McNabb plan.

I should be working right now...

by gorams77 on May 14, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

what about SJ?

By throwing Feeley in as a guinea pig, don’t you expose SJ to more punishment as defenses will continue to stack the box?

I also seem to remember Feeley abusing us a couple of times as a pretty efficient QB – I think he’s better than people think.

by RamsMan'72 on May 14, 2010 6:29 AM CDT reply actions  

I believe he's only played against us once

And he completed less than 50% of his passes for 181 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, and a fumble lost. Not too efficient. They did still beat us though. 10-3. The first line in that games recap was’

The Philadelphia Eagles were not supposed to be able to win without Donovan McNabb. The St. Louis Rams can’t win with Kurt Warner.

So it came during that time of Rams history. We were 0-6 with Warner at that point in the season and 5-0 with Bulger.

Onubon > Gates

by Carneros on May 14, 2010 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Andy Reid's Philadelphia Eagles have chocked in every big game they played

and Donovan McNabb is a big part of that,if Spagnolo thinks that’s Genius"I respectfully will have to disagree,the Eagles suck and McNabb is the most over rated QB of the past ten years,I sure don’t want to model Bradford after McNabb or compare how I would bring him up to start for this team,but its like I always said about Spags, he a defensive coach not a head coach,just the fact that he’s always bringing up Andy Reid really gets me,why don’t we just call Andy Reid and ask him what we should do Ha Spags ? he should shut his mouth about Reid period it just shows he has no opinion of his own
Spagnolo in case you dont know it we are not the Eagles were the RAMS oh and one more thing Shurmur he sucks too ,another eagle

by Ram-on on May 14, 2010 6:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Um....

If we get Sam Bradford to turn into a 5-time pro bowler that makes us a perennial contender year after year leading us to multiple divisional titles, the playoffs and the superbowl where 10, 11 or 12-win seasons are commonplace, then I don’t care what model Spags uses to bring him along, that’s a win! That’s what you want out of a QB. And just because Eagles didn’t win the superbowl with McNabb at the helm, doesn’t make him a bad or overrated QB. They played one of the best Patriot teams of the decade. I hate to admit it but hell, that Patriot team beat possibly our best team in our 2001 Rams team so that’s a not a knock on the Eagles, McNabb or how Reid brought him along…

by dave747 on May 14, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

About the Rams loss to the Pats. come on now just think about that game

The Patriots not only cheated and spy on our walk throu but in that game the Refs were allowing the Ram receivers to get mauled all game long ,still the only reason we lost was Martz calling too many pass plays when M.Faulk was averaging 10 yards for every handoff
the Rams were by far the better team ,so don’t even go there and McNabb with his eagles could never beet us in the NFC championship games when the eagles were at the top of there game,

by Ram-on on May 14, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn, Coach- Thats some good insight!!

Thanks for that thorough assessment of our inevitable, & highly anticipated, situation.

by Matty78 on May 15, 2010 11:09 AM CDT reply actions  

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