Was Carriker better than we remember?
A bigger/better man would ignore it, let bygones be bygones and walk away wishing everyone involved nothing but the best. Not me. Tooling around online this morning I came across this classic "fresh start" piece from the Washington Post about former St. Louis Rams first round pick Adam Carriker.
When defensive lineman Adam Carriker joined the St. Louis Rams as a first-round pick in 2007, Jim Haslett was the defensive coordinator, the team played in a 3-4 alignment, and Carriker excelled. Now, Carriker will play for the Washington Redskins - acquired in an offseason trade - and Haslett is the defensive coordinator who is moving the team to a 3-4 scheme.
At first, I chortled, but then I started wondering if maybe there was a little accuracy to that statement. I do remember the Rams running a 3-4, but it was limited. Was Carriker better than we remember? Did the Rams make a mistake trading him?
Looking at Carriker's individual stats at Football Outsiders, his rookie season looks a lot better than I can recall it being. Carriker may have been miscast on the inside, but he did show some potential against the run. On 26 run plays, he made 23 stops and had 6 defeats (including this one against Seattle) for an average of 1.5 yards per play. That's a pretty good number. Against the pass, he had 5 stops on 5 plays.
The Rams run defense that season wasn't exactly stellar with a 23rd ranked 0.3 percent DVOA. Of course, when you compare that to a league worst 10.8 percent DVOA from last season, it looks positively stunning. The biggest problem the Rams faced against the run was with ball carriers making big gains beyond the line of scrimmage; 21 percent of rushing yards against the Rams went beyond the LOS by 10 yards. That might be more reflective of the lack of a middle LB and an aging SS Corey Chavous.
The knock on Carriker was his pass rush. That's where first round defensive linemen are expected to contribute the most, and Carriker never lived up to those expectations with the Rams. He did have 2 sacks in his rookie year, the only sacks of his career.
Disappointment really set in during his 2008 season. He started nine games, played in fifteen. The team's run defense got worse in every category, though 10+ yards remained the worst, and Carriker managed only 6 QB pressures, driving home the bust label. He did still show solidly against the run, but it wasn't enough.
[Note by VanRam, 05/12/10 10:18 AM EDT ] Before injury ended his 2009 season before it began, it's worth remembering that Carriker lost his starting job to Gary Gibson, and was battling to get his playing time back. Injury certainly impacted the return the Rams could get in a trade, but it might have been a motivating factor for the trade in and of itself.
So, now he's a Redskin where he'll assume a more natural role as a DE in their 3-4 alignment. That begs the question whether or not the Rams made a mistake in trading him. That's hard to say. They could use a DT that's strong against the run, but those can be found cheaper elsewhere. There's also the question of the new system, where they obviously didn't feel Carriker was a natural fit.
It also begs the question of how many second chances a team can afford to give a guy. The new regime at Rams Park seems to have little patience for second chances among high draft picks that bring little to the team or fit the system. Mistake? It's hard to call it that outright. New coaches are tasked with installing their vision and are entitled to finding the players who fit. That's what it really comes down to with Carriker and the Rams.
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I have to agree...
I always thought we would keep Carriker. But if we did trade him, we would get a lot more than trading spots in the fifth. I am still dumbfounded with that move. The way I saw it (and maybe I’m wrong) Carriker was injured most of last season, which was Spags first year. So with the defensive mind of Spags, I would think he would want to work with Carriker to see if he worth keeping around for one more year. If he was injury prone again, then trade hime for a swap in the fifth. I still believe it was a mistake but hope I am wrong and Spags saw something we did not.
remember that Carriker lost his starting spot
early in training camp
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by Ryan Van Bibber on May 12, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't he coming back from an injury at that point?
I’m pretty sure that he wasn’t 100% and looked pretty rusty, that was the main reason he lost his spot in training camp (it was training camp mind you) to Gibson. Only to get injured again and ultimately miss the entire season.
Agree
Carriker didn’t fit the system everyone in league knows this, coming off injury-hence low value.
Bad trade
I have said this before so forgive the repeat. Yes, it was a bad trade. Carriker could have played any position along the line as a start but would have been better as a back up giving the D-line a chance to breath. And if he had to start, DE was has best position (in a 3-4 or a 4-3). He wouldn’t be the greatest pass rush but no one would be able to run on his side.
But the real main problem is, Ram fans (in general) and some other NFL team fans cry “he is a bust” after one year of play, unless he is All-World and wins the Super Bowl.
"fans cry "he is a bust" after one year"
Seems like this is everywhere. Still here on this board sometimes guys will say they expect great things from some rookie, maybe a 3rd rounder, and I try to tell them hold up, keep your expectations realistic, and let’s not call him a bust when he doesn’t give great production right away. But hype is more fun.
by CoachConnors on May 12, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
The reverse can also be said though
Where fans want to give guys every oppourtunity to become successful which is what splits the Carriker arguement. To some he’s a bust, to some he just needed more time. All i’d say is he is gone now and we have to move forward. I bear no ill feelings towards him and if he does well in Washington great, doesn’t mean he would have worked out here. To be honest isn’t it coming from exactly the same place to call it a bad trade as it is to call someone a bust? If he bombs in washington and is soon out of the league it would be a great trade. The point is we won’t know til he starts playing. We all have opinions and no-ones here is any better or worse than anothers
by Stonedtodeath on May 12, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry should point out
i started by refering to coaches comment then started commenting on JL67’s
by Stonedtodeath on May 12, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
i agree with stoned
but we will never, EVER know if it was a bad trade or not because we won’t know how he would have panned out if he stayed in st. louis. i expect him to do much better in washington because he will be in his right position but it doesn’t mean the trade was bad because he could have been a sure bust if he stayed in st. louis his whole career.
you also have to look at it in a way
that maybe spags traded carriker for his own sake. maybe he traded him so that he can actually have a successful career in a scheme he fits in.
Coach fans can express them self any way they want, that's why there fans
to have high expectations from a rookie or any player is what fans do in general and they don’t need you to tell them ( hold up) lol on how they feel about a player Coach Connors im assuming you are a fan too ,so stop acting like a coach ,just chill its all good
so you're telling me to hold up?
do as you say, not as you do?
by CoachConnors on May 12, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
No coach im just saying you should chill and accept the fans view point
im not trying to start a fight with you coach ,so dont get so gun ho with me lol
midasknight when I want your opinion ill ask for it,until then keep it quiet lol
i dont remember adressing this to midasknight it was to coach connors ,thank you but your opinion is not needed on this matter ,best regards lol
If you want to call it a trade they kind of gave him away they way the swapped picks
that’s what sucked if they got some value I can understand but its like Devaney said in one interview that we kind of did just to get it done,I wish I know what that means lol
Which ever way we turn this..
the Rams have ended up putting together a solid defense for this upcoming year. Last year spags had little to work with as far as defensive players that fit his scheme. Carriker unfortunately is one of those players that didnt fit his scheme and is now gone. We maybe should have gotten more for him but surely Devaney took the best deal posible. I still think that we are going to add another DT sometime during training camp after the staff gets a look at the DT group. Although looking back at past Spag defenses his impact players were at end and all were incredibly athletic and the tackles were space eaters. Obviously cant compare the rams ends to OSI, Strahan, or Tuck but we have some interesting talent at DE now. Chris Long is a beast and this year its going to show with some depth on defense. He showed flashes of being worth a first round selection late in the year after he figured out spags defense and that was after everyone had gotten hurt.
Sounds like Carriker is more of a 3-4 player.
Unless the St. Louis Rams have any plans of changing their defense to a 3-4 defense, this was a good trade for him. He would just been a wasted roster spot eating up a good portion of money. Rams did the right thing by cutting their loses, and moving forward.
R.I.P. Derrick Thomas. The Chiefs and the World have never been the same since your untimely death.
This goes to serve the Rams and what happens when changing a college player's position
Major reason why Rams failed. Also, to small – speed is great when your not ailing on the sideline from the pysical abuse by very big, big men!
I didn't like the trade either
I would’ve liked to see what he could’ve done knowing he had to fight for his playing time. A lot of these guys haven’t had to fight for a job in many years, if any. So I wonder if putting that type of pressure on him would’ve produced results. He would’ve either excelled and shown us why we drafted him or made us realize that he can’t hack it in this system. Just seems like a guy in a new system with a new coaching staff would at least get a year to adapt, but to the team his salary wasn’t worth the risk. It’s just fustrating to see a 1st round pick get traded so we could move up in the fifth round.

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