Atogwe one step closer to free agency
NFL.com is reporting that Oshiomogho Atogwe will not sign his RFA tender offer extended to him by the St. Louis Rams. Not exactly earth shattering news. That offer was made at the lowest possible RFA level which gave the Rams little more than exclusive negotiations for a window and Atogwe just $1.3 million, a big cut from 2009.
The Rams still have exclusive negotiating rights with Atogwe until June 1. That's the deadline for the Rams to either tender him a deal for almost $7 million or letting him walk away an unrestricted free agent.
Devaney and Demoff will likely make him one more long-term offer, but it would have to match, at least, what he can get as a free agent. He'd also be a lot more likely to see a Super Bowl sooner if he leaves the Rams. Atogwe's keen hands for the takeaway weren't so fortunate last season. A legit decline, injury or his fellow cast members?
The Rams added Kevin Payne in a trade with the Chicago Bears last week. (More on Payne from Payne). Payne has played his best football as a strong safety. However, the Rams will probably give him a look at free safety too. Craig Dahl played well in both safety roles last season, giving the Rams a versatile, competent backup.
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Even with the addition of Payne
I ’d still feel much, much more comfortable with Atogwe. First of all, he is the only true FS on the roster and he is proven to be a playmaker. And I like having backups that are actually good and can go in at times in a rotation and not be so much of a downgrade that it completely hurts the team for a change. Payne/Butler and Dahl provide that. Safety is the one position on the field I am completely comfortable with, but I think I lose a lot of that comfort when we lose our best S.
Onubon > Gates
yo i totally agree with you
O.J. was the only person in our secondary that made me feel slight comfort. Rams need to work something out, i understand he got hurt last year but his production has been on point for a few years now. He deserves an offer, when Rams defense stunk up the place two years ago(even though its been that way for a while) he has been the bright spot. If Antrelle Rolle can get all that money from a team and have so much concerns to whether he is even really that good at the safety position, Atogwe should be able to get a payday. DEVANEY SIGN HIM AND CUT THE F*CKRY.
I hope they can work something out with him,
but his injuries and his high expectations seem to be getting in the way. I could see an average of $4million per year for 4 years, but I’m betting he wants more than that.
why wouldn't he?
Its gonna be his last big contract so he knows he needs to get the most he can. Anyone would.
Sam Bradford
He is our best defensive player dont let him get away we need OJ on this team
Spags got a little extra out of every one on defense cause they start to buy into his philosophy and by telling then that we are going to make some thing special here,But you cant make some thing special if you keep letting your best players get away, they should do what ever it takes and keep him on this team pay the man his money Devaney
im startin to no like Devaney
He practically gave away Karriker, he will leave the OFL week with out Barron,and now he is thinking of not making O.J. the right offer what are we doing here taking one step forward and two steps backwards?he better make up for this and take care of the Atogwe issue right away
Bad Move
Devany said we need playmakers, and OJ has been one of the only playmakers we’ve had. We need to sign him and get over it. We need to pay somebody. We need to keep the players that have made an impact, and we don’t have many on defense that have done that. Atogwe is one of the few.
Sign him. Eat the money. Move on.
…I like Payne, but he would be best served as a SS or as a third safety. OJ has proven himself.
this situation
Is somewhat similar to the Barron issue, in the fact that it weakens our depth.
The difference is that Atogwe is actually good.
But when it come down to the nitty gritty, it’s all about
the Benjamin’s…….
It may just be the case that it’s not in the best interest
of the team to tie up 7 million on this player.
by ZamRam on May 11, 2010 6:30 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Pay the man the money he deserve Devaney
that the kind of moves teams with no direction make,its easy to spot cause they take one step forward and three steps backwards,like Detroit did for years with there last GM M.Millen,If Devaney lets OJ go hell be getting on my last nerve that’s for sure,if he is any kind of GM he will solve this shit now,if not Mr. Deanery is just another clown with a GM badge
you tell me what you think
He never replaced Witherspoon at OLB he never replaced L.Little at DE now he wont sign Atogwe ,is this how you build a defense? ,sure I know we drafted and some players have potential but Little was the number one in sacks on this team even at his age still beat out C.Long and J. Hall, so who is going to do that now for us, and O.J. is practically the only defensive play maker we have,you can speculate about replacements or rookies stepping up but the only thing for sure is the players that you know have proven them self in battle,With out another starting caliber DE and OLB or improvement in DT
J.L and C.L. are with out any help again,and if Atogwe goes too then we really gona shit the bed
Cmon now
He’s gotta get signed, he was arguably the best player our defense had and a good stable locker room presence in a team full of newbies. I wish he’d take less money to stay with us, but it’s not realistic. If he leaves I will be significantly less excited/confident in Devaney and Spags, means nothing to them, but still cmon guys.
Julio Jones for Rams 2011
I partcialy agree with you on this
However these thing take time. They have tried to cover this issue by trades and draft.
We unfortunately don’t know the financial status of this organization.
I myself would love to see them pay for some “big name” players.
Although in all honesty, it’s never been their M O.
Right now….we may have to trust the fact that our GM actually knows what
he’s doing and that Spags is going to work his (blog prclaimed) magic on some of
these lesser known players.
If it was a perfect world every team would have Jerry jones money.
by ZamRam on May 11, 2010 8:38 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Is he worth it?
I know he was suppose to be one of our best players on defense but is he that good? If he is that good why has no other team had any interest in making a deal for him? The Rams put the lowest RFA level and still no one stepped up to the table. This team is sending all the signals that it is all about the future. I don’t know if they think he will be the same guy in 2 to 3 years.
I was wondering the same thing..
Why wasn’t there any real interest during the FA process, then I got to thinking about two possible reasons:
1. How healthy is OJ after shoulder injury? Could he even pass a physical during the FA process?
2. The RFA offer. Why would teams actually do the Rams work on contract negotiation just to have the Rams then step in and sign him? Also with a June 1st drop dead decision for the Rams, why would any team even bother bringing him in when all they could wait until June 1st to see what the Rams do? IMHO, the FO outsmarted themselves on this one.
With that said, I feel they should get the deal done as OJ is definitely one of the better safeties in the NFL (let alone one of our better players). I wonder if our ownership issue is preventing getting the right deal done.
FO, the clock is ticking, June 1st is just 21 days away.
If he was really that good
They could not afford to tender him at such a low level and keep him. He would’ve been signed away, with another team choosing to pay the pick as a price. I know a lot of guys have some affinity for him because he was a good player in the Rams worst days, he gave fans something respectable, but I don’t think he’s a top 3 FS in the league
by CoachConnors on May 11, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree
Exactly. He was one of the few bright spots on a HORRIBLE team but that doesnt mean hes an all-pro. I’m proud of the FO, its a sign they truly are focused on the future. The short-sighted thing is to sign him to a big deal but they view him as being worth “X” and are not going to go over. A far cry from the Jay Zygmunt days.
I agree he is not top 3 in the league but is he in the top 5?
lets just say for a moment he is not top 3 he is 4 or 5 and look at the other 4 or 5 guys out there and then compare OJ stats and there stats and you tell me who you would like to have on your team at this time
Lets be honest here
When we couldn’t get a long term deal done last year when he was franchised it always looked likely he’d be on his way. I don’t actually believe this is all about the money but rather that Atog wants to go to a team that can contend for superbowls. I’m not sure that there is a great deal the front office can do to keep him bar breaking the bank and potentially ruining next years free agency (provided there is a cap in place), and that’s assuming we even have the finances to offer a mega deal. I love seeing Atogwe in the blue and gold but realistically you don’t break the bank for a safety, even if he is one of your best players.
No Big Deal
With the loss of Atogwe we will lose some depth. But this guy is not worth the big money contract. If you have watched him over the years what you have seen is his ball hawking skills are limited to punching the ball out after he has been beat in coverage and the receiver is on the run. Other than the punch skill he is very average at coverage,and just not that good. Are other teams clamoring to get at him and fill his pockets with money?NO. BD and Spags know what they are doing.
If we can't get him to agree to an average type deal by June 1 ...
… then we offer him the higher tender and then trade him (if he’s healthy).
I imagine there’s either a health issue or he wants to play for a winner while he’s still good (and therefore will only stay for an inflated contract).
I’m not sure I can blame either side. But we can’t let him leave for free.
I can take a beating ... I'm a Rams fan.
I don't think it would be "totally" free..
I am guessing we would get some sort of comp pick in 2011.
Losing Atogwe is not losing depth, its losing a starter
Nevertheless, I doubt the Rams will even offer him a long term deal at anything close to what he wants. Maybe they’ll offer him a short term deal at a decent price with incentives, or a long term thing at a lower price, but I’d be surprised if they do long and rich.
But Atogwe, as VanRam noted, will have a much better chance at a Superbow elsewhere, so in return for denying himself a SB in the longer term he’ll probably want to at least try to get a bigger payday than the tender. Afterall, h’s 28 now….so how many contracts does he have left? 1 long or 2 short, max. He has to be thinking get paid or get on a winner.
Football contracts are never about what the guy deserves. Teams don’t pay (and players don’t play) on sentiment or fairness or what’s been earned. Its always a “futures contract”, from rookie to old timer. His market was halfway established when they tendered him low and still no one came calling. I bet he goes all the way into FA now.
Best defender...
…and a humble guy who has ALWAYS played hard through these last three years of shit.
Not cool if you ask me. Last year, people weren’t throwing Atogwe’s way because of his knack for picking it off. Aaron Rodgers talked about avoiding him in pregame vs the Packers. No link, but it was on the Fox broadcast.
Big mistake. If we’re willing to give an untested rookie 50 million guaranteed despite a looming rookie pay scale next season, then we should be willing to give a contract to a guy who has PRODUCED at a higher level than anyone at his position the last 3 years IN THE NFL, and never complained about a contract till now.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on May 11, 2010 12:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Should be, but as you know
that’s not how it works. And to get to how it should be, we’re probably looking at some kind of work stoppage along the way.
by CoachConnors on May 11, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably somewhere in 7 mil/yr for 4-5 years on average with close to 1/2 contract value guaranteed
He is only @ 1 1/2 years older than Antrel Rolle.
Our CB, Ron Bartell, last year ( @ same age as OJ) got 4 yr @ 28 mil (13+ guaranteed).
This would be my best guess

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