TST Community Mock Draft: Pick 4
by Ryan Van Bibber on Apr 6, 2010 9:08 AM CDT
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PrintThis was set to be one of the more intriguing picks of the draft, but then the Washington Redskins went and traded for Donovan McNabb...and now we get our second offensive tackle.
With the fourth pick the Washington Redskins select Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
Here's VanRam with the info:
This was supposed to be another Oklahoma star here with the Rams having opted for Clausen in this mock draft. Instead, the Redskins will take another Okie to protect their investment in Donovan McNabb, because at his age, McNabb will need protection.
Williams is this year's Jason Smith, an elite prospect with probably the highest ceiling of any OT in this year's draft. Shifting to the left side for his final year at Oklahoma, Williams struggled at first before emerging as an All American. Similar to Jason Smith, he seems to be a quick learner. And the Redskins will need him to be, since they don't have the luxury of developmental time.
Ramfan from Seattle is on the clock.
Here's the mock draft FAQ to answer any questions you might have about making picks, next round, etc.
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VanRam did you sign off on our trade??
Le Ram and agreed to a trade. I will be sending him the 5th pick in exchange for the 7th pick, a third rounder, and a fifth rounder.
by Ramfan from Seattle on Apr 6, 2010 10:13 AM CDT reply actions
i approve
and will update the google spreadsheet
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by Ryan Van Bibber on Apr 6, 2010 11:17 AM CDT reply actions
Funny.
Everyone assumes that the other OU star will be #1, and even if he slipped to #4, the Skins would pull the trigger. I’m starting to believe that this mock draft is not too realistic. Seriously though, I know Skins need OT but for some reason if that OU#14 guy is still on the board, they’re picking him up and shoving him 3rd sting and cleaning house of pre-2010 QBs. Which doesn’t help them in anyway now. Then again, Shannahan scooped up McNabb feeling he can win now, later in his career like Mr. Elway did. Shannahan and Allen won’t like picking OU#14 4th but I think Danny is gonna kick and scream if it doesn’t happen.
Realistic?
What’s realistic? We’ve been force fed “Sam Bradford is a god” since before his pro day with all his question marks swept under the rug.
Nobody wants to step in front of the steamrolling machine known as ‘Sam Bradford HYPE’ and most of you buy into it hook, line and sinker despite having a brain of your own.
What’s funny is … it seems the further away last season is in our collective minds, the greater the Bradford hype and the less people remember just how dominant Suh was.
Bradford might be good. He might be a bust. He will very likely NOT be great. He should be picked in the top 10 in this draft. He should NOT be picked first overall. Dropping to 5 or a little lower seems REALISTIC to me (as opposed to simply regurgitating the drivel that the Almighty Media Machine force feeds us).
Don’t get me wrong, if the Rams pick Sam Bradford, I hope he’s great. I’m just tired of all the blind devotion to a chronically pampered player that doesn’t know how to fall without hurting his shoulder. It is sickening.
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.
I think that is why the last poll had
the majority of the guys here wanting Suh over anyone. Just because Bradford eats up post does not mean that he is the consensus choice of this blog. If you were here at the end of last year you would have been able to see that.
Whoa. I was joking when I said "realistic"
I don’t think Bradford is the next Shane Falco but I’m pretty sure he’s going to be a Ram. All players in the draft have hype about them, some just louder than others. Remember, Bradford wasn’t the bee’s knees from the start. First it was Donkey Kong, then Jimmy, and now it’s Bradford. Granted I think it would be wiser to trade down to save money but, who’s going to trade up to spend more? We’re at #1 and it’s just the way it is. Some things will never change. Sorry, it popped into my head, had too. Sam going first over all isn’t that bad, not as bad as Tebow getting picked up in the first. Now THAT’s hype. But I hear your frustration and get your point.
What an asinine statement and a giant misrepresentation of history
First, it’s hard to take you serious when you refer to the “Bradford Hype Machine” as being sickening. It’s football.
Second, how is it more likely that Bradford turns out to be a bust rather than a great QB? That flies in the face of logic. Bradford has received accolades for his work ethic and his desire to be great. He has never been dogged as someone going through the motions.
Third, Bradford was going to be the second QB of the draft last year if he had declared. So it’s not like people created Bradford’s promise out of thin air. Why you seem to think that only in the last month people have acknowledged him is beyond me. As long as he was healthy (he is) and he performed at his pro day (he did) he was going to be a high pick.
I don’t know if you’re a jilted Longhorns fan or what, but Bradford is regarded by many respected football minds as having great potential and the makings of a franchise quarterback. It’s not Todd McShay saying that; it’s Gil Brandt, Mike Shanahan and Mike Holmgren.
OT is probable with this pick
They already have what they think is the rest of the offense. High picks in hands last few years, Cooley, veteran RB’s.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
This is exactly why Bradford has zero leverage
in a pre-draft negotiation with the Rams. If he stalls or asks for way too much (more than they’re willing to pay), then he really risks falling past the 4th pick and with that goes away millions of dollars.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
+1
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 6, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Trade up
As his agent, my counter to that would be the high probability of a team willing to move up into the top 4 to draft him. The Lions and Redskins are both teams that would move out of the selection for the right price. I would still feel confident enough that I could get top dollar for my client even if he was not selected 1st overall just because he is still the first QB off the board. The media hype only allows me to play that card all the more. I would also hype the fear of a holdout, especially now that Bulger has been cut, because the Rams are relying on Bradford to step in soon (Feeley cannot start for long) and that means being in training camp on time. Both sides operate within a ceiling (rookie pool is in effect for 2010) and a floor (past drafts) and overall money will not be the sticking point but rather compensation structure. Those demands are not enough for me to fear losing the team unless they are acting unreasonably. Condon as a real professional will get top dollar for his client but will not be unrealistic in his demands. Both sides have similiar ranges and I would be surprised if a pre-draft deal doesn’t happen.
be the high probability of a team willing to move up into the top 4 to draft him
Who will do that? Especially if the Ramd don’t take him, which is the scenario.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
Cleveland
is my best guess of a team making a move up for him as they have the draft capital to make it happen. I wasn’t arguing this hypothetical draft selection because I think it is a good pick. My understanding of the comment I replied to was that in reality Bradford has lost leverage negotiating with the Rams because of the McNabb trade since the Redskins would not take him at 4. I was just countering that point from the agent’s viewpoint. Perhaps I read the comment I replied to incorrectly but it seems to be based on reality to me rather than this mock.
But if the Rams don't take him, why trade up past 4?
Would they need to go to 1, if the Rams don’t take him is really what I’m asking. I think if he doesn’t go 1, he could very easily slip past 2, 3, and 4 since none of those teams would seem to be interested in investing in a new QB right now. So I can see him slipping to 5, which would mean a large loss in dollars compared to what he’d have if he went at 1.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
I see what you mean
I understand the demand argument and I am not suggesting that anyone would trade into the 1 spot but I think a team realistically would move into at least Washington’s 4 spot, just because Washington might be willing to move down for less just to pick up some more picks. I would also not be surprised to see a team trade into the 2 spot just to guarantee that no other team beats them out in a trade to pick up their franchise QB.
My assessment of course would adjust based on how sold I am on my client’s demand regarding whether I would risk moving down because of course there is a risk in losing value. Given all the current hype I would feel fairly confident in my client still going in the top 4 but would of course warn him of the risks. Also I would have a fairly decent understanding of his market demand based on conversations with other teams. From my experience, most young players are willing to take the gamble to try and get more money and I would expect that to be the case here, just because it is a low risk gamble at the early stages.
However, for me to take these risks the Rams would need to real be lowballing me or just being impossible in negotiations. The fact that these negotiations have a pre-set floor and ceiling make it easier to get to the finer details of the contract and avoid unnecessary haggling. Nothing is worse than being stuck in weeks of negotiations with people that have no true understanding of their value range, so this makes it alot easier.
In conclusion, I do agree that it is definately a good point for the Rams to assert during negotiations but I do think it is definately countered by the points I have asserted previously. There is no right or wrong here, just a matter of assigning weight to factors and from a legal standpoint I would not assign great weight to the risk of slipping that far at the beginning of my negotiations. It is a factor that would be reassessed if a standstill seemed imminent during negotiations, at which greater weight might then be assigned. Yet I would agressively posture as necessary until the balance tipped in favor of losing out.
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