The draft as a statement and what this year's draft says about the Rams
The draft is more than just teams selecting players; it is a collection of 32 mission statements that reflect the personalities, attitudes and philosophies of every NFL team and often their head coaches.
Some of those mission statements are easy to understand.
Denver spent their first five picks (all in the 3rd round with their sixth pick not coming until the 5th round) on offense, including taking QB Tim Tebow. This is easy to interpret: Josh McDaniels was eager to put together "his" offense. Baltimore had a very Baltimore draft: OLB, DT, TE, TE. Same for Pittsburgh. The fact that these teams have identifiable draft styles means you already know their statement from the ones they've made in previous drafts. Can you go through San Fran's draft and not see Mike Singletary in every pick? I can't.
Some drafts, on the other hand, are very, very, very hard to put into this context. Oakland confused everybody by not being confusing. Opening their draft with Rolando McClaing, Lamarr Houston and Jared Veldheer was, well, smart. And that's not what anybody expected. Of course, they followed those picks with classic Oakland picks: Bruce Campbell (who I had Oakland taking in the 1st round) and Jacoby Ford. You could suggest the statement there was that Al Davis' reign of terror is coming to an end. I'll need to see Oakland get through another draft before I go that far. Buffalo kicked their draft into gear with CJ Spiller (still confused) before getting their NT: not Terrence Cody, not Cam Thomas, but Torrell Troup. Strange.
So what does this draft say about the Rams' state of affairs? Where is this team going? How do you categorize the product Spagnuolo intends to put out this year? For me, I see two direct, intentional statements and an underlying theme from each:
1.) This is Sam Bradford's team, and all offensive-related changes, whether related to on-field strategy or roster moves, will be made to accomodate him.
a.) The underlying statement is what this says about who the offense does not belong to: Steven Jackson
2.) This defense is going to be physical, painful and effortful.
b.) Underlying: this defense will not rely on high-skill players, or those with outstanding bodies of work. It's going to require development, time and commitment.
Those two statements explained in detail after the jump.
Bradford's show
The Rodger Saffold pick wasn't as much about Alex Barron or Jason Smith or anyone else on offense as it was about the pick that preceded it. Even more important, it wasn't about now, or soon - it was about the future. The Rodger Saffold pick was a statement that the Rams take Sam Bradford's protection (and his development) as their top priority, a statement reaffirmed by the selection of two TEs to open rounds 5 and 6. Pairing Saffold with the #2 overall pick from the 2009 draft, Jason Smith, gives the Rams, and Bradford, our offensive tackles for the next few years at a minimum, and beyond that if they both develop into dependable blockers. That their timeline coincides with Sam Bradford's is not a coincidence (although, I'm not sure if gramatically something that coincides cannot be a coincidence...). This was clearly a draft that, in drafting Bradford, provided the Rams with an identity as well as giving the coaching staff a QB to mold (both in terms of molding Bradford to their offense and vice versa).
By doing so, it also signaled a lack of a commitment to the running game. Steven Jackson put up an incredible 2009 campaign, doing it while facing ridiculous defensive attention. It was an incredible achievement for both him and the line that allowed him to do what he does best - rack up yardage. Despite what was obviously a Pro Bowl-caliber season, Jackson matched a career low in one category: touchdowns. With the Rams anemic passing offense failing to advance drives (and often cutting them short) all season, the running game, and thus Jackson, was reduced to being nothing more than a yardage factory and not a point scoring machine. It's also worth noting that in spite of Jackson's A+ season, the Rams won one game. This draft sugests that the future of the Rams offense (as well as any improvements in the win column) won't come from the running game; it will come from the air.
Jackson may score more touchdowns this year. He may receive a fairer amount of credit from the national media for being one of the best running backs in the NFL. But if the Rams have any more success in 2010, it won't be because of Steven Jackson. Besides, what more can he do? If he does run for more than the 1416 yards he totaled in 2009, it won't be because he or the offensive line got much better (there's not a whole lot more they can do) - it will be because a more balanced offensive attack will force defenses to play less men in the box, opening up larger running lanes for Jackson to exploit.
Adding to the reality was the fact that the Rams opted not to draft a backup running back. Yes, there were undrafted free agents, and yes, Brian Westbrook is still a possibility, but neither of those will give the Rams as much comfort as the 49ers got last year when they drafted Glen Coffee to spell Frank Gore in the 2nd round of the '09 draft, or, more recently, when the Vikings took Toby Gerhart to give Adrian Peterson more rest in this year's 2nd round. You could argue that backup running back wasn't vitally important to improving the team overall, but the more important interpretation is that helping Steven Jackson isn't vitally important to this team's future overall. Helping Sam Bradford is.
Playing with fire
In the 2009 draft, the Rams spent their 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks on defense, taking MLB James Laurinaitis, CB Bradley Fletcher (aka BradleyFletcherBradleyFletcherBradley) and DT Darell Scott. Laurinaitis excelled in his rookie season adding a techinical consistency that Will Witherspoon was unable to provide during his tenure in the middle in St. Louis. BFB's physical approach proved very useful until a freakish knee injury took him out of action for the rest of the season. Scott didn't factor much until after the week 9 bye, and even then was a minor component of the defense, but flashes of the power that convinced the Rams to call his name. The common tie wasn't their individual styles as much as it was another facet of their games: their fire. Laurianitis played every down with commitment and effort. Hell, Fletcher's injury came when he played a pass that was going out of bounds. You can chalk Scott's effort up to rookie desire or playing for PT in 2010, but regardless of the reason, it was there.
The two defensive picks taken before the 6th round this year, CB Jerome Murphy (soon to be aka JeromeMurphyJerome) and DE Hall Davis, are known for their physical approach and strength for the positions. This defense is shaping up to be a power, effort defense similar to the one that carried the Giants to a Super Bowl victory. Now I'm not saying this is a top-caliber defense. Far from it. I have serious questions about the ability of this defensive line and the talent levels at OLB (on both sides). But one thing I don't have a question of is how hard they're going to play and how physically they're going to play. For all the talk about the 49ers playing "smashmouth football" (a term I hate since face guards make mouth smashing virtually impossible), the Rams are forming a defense that will play as physical as any other teams, especially in the secondary. True, James Butler isn't the hardest hitting safety, but he did lay a couple hits at times last year. And with improved pass coverage, he can focus more on tossing his weight around and less on providing safety help for the corners.
Still, the issues up front will undoubtedly be the biggest issue going into 2010. Can Spagnuolo extract a similar level of productivity from the Rams' D-line as he did in New York? It's hard to see that happening with this group. And what about the linebackers? Too often, Laurinaitis hesitated to commit to his assignment; I wouldn't be afraid to ascribe many of those hesitations to a concern that the linebackers playing alongside him would be unable to maintain their assignments, especially in run support plays. Having physical corners who are capable of shedding blocking WRs and containing the run would go a long way. But more important is establishing a defensive identity.
My biggest gripe with the 2010 defense was that it played too safe, willing to allow shorter gains to prevent longer ones in the hopes that a turnover or botched offensive play would be enough to end a drive. Obviously, that strategy failed more often than not. Playing more individual assignments requires tenacity, consistency and discipline. That has to be the approach for this defense. There aren't many high-talent players on the roster (hell, even Chris Long, the #2 overall pick isn't what I would call a high-talent player). We do have a lot of high effort players who have shown a willingness to scrap both at the NFL level and in college. That quality has to be implemented more frequently and to a larger degree this season if the defense is to improve.
Putting it together
Our 2010 season will not be pretty. It won't be easy. It likely won't be incredibly successful from a win-loss standpoint. But looking at what this draft tells us (especially on the back of the 2009 draft), I have no problem saying I am comfortable with the personality this team is adapting. We have a quarterback who will lead this team for years to come, and we're building this offense on his back. We have a defense that is more about work ethic and collective discipline than star talents and raw ability. I'm comfortable with both of those, and it's obvious both the management and coaching staff is as well. If they're willing to risk their professional lives on as much, I'm willing to invest some faith in them.
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+1,000,000,000,000,000
Perfect encapsulation of the Rams. The underlying question is how long does the team expect us, the fan base, to clap politely for effort and trust that the results will (eventually) come.
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Jackson has a role in Bradford's development
he’ll still the be the primary offensive playmaker this season, taking some pressure off Bradford a la Michael Turner in ATL.
The unfortunate reality in this is that Jackson may well be past his prime right as Bradford his his. That’s more of an indictment on the way the franchise was managed in years prior than it is Devaney and Co.
Turf Show Times
by Ryan Van Bibber on Apr 26, 2010 9:43 AM CDT reply actions
If I understand 3k's argument...
It’s not about what role Jackson will have in the offense. Obviously he’s still the primary talent and threat. It’s about Jackson’s role in the philosophy of the development of the Rams roster. What 3k is saying is that little can be done to maximize Jackson’s production as an asset — he’s already close to peak — compared to what can be done to maximize Bradford’s.
As an aside, though, I’m sure we can find ways to get Jackson some more scoring opportunities, if we just cut down on the goddamn red zone holding penalties. Maybe Saffold can help there by supplanting Barron, no?
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The improvement of a passing game will actually help Jackson
Being a more well balanced offense will help jackson in the long run. I really believe that. Great read. You guys have been working OT.
I have to disagree...
… about this being Bradford’s team. I think the Saffold pick is more about protecting the investment in Bradford than some kind sign that this is now Bradford’s team to lead. The Rams are not building a pass first offense. Look at what the Giants and Panthers did in their glory years… they were both hard nosed run first teams… and that is what the Rams are trying to build here. As such, I think the notion that the Rams are no Bradford’s team and they are trying to build some kind of second coming of the Greatest Show and Turf is far from the truth.
Bradford ≠ Greatest Show on Turf
The statement that the Rams are building the offense around Bradford doesn’t translate directly to the Greatest Show v2.0. There are lots of pass-based offenses that also rely heavily on the run — witness Favre’s Vikings and Manning’s Giants. The simple fact is that the Rams are going to have to throw the ball more effectively in order to compete and win. Simply pounding the rock is not going to get it done.
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I don't think they're trying to rebuild a GSoT
and obviously, with a talent like Steven Jackson, the run is still going to be our best bet at moving the ball, but the draft was a direct statement that AxJax’s future has little bearing on the future of this team. It’s going to be built around Sam.
Like taiko said, other teams, like the Vikings and Giants, had similar approaches to building an offense. The primary difference is that the Rams and Giants drafted a young QB to bulid around, whereas the Vikings built the team and then snatched Favre up for the final stage of his career.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Apr 26, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
If this is the case (and I have no reason to believe it isn't)
then when do you start thinking about trading Jackson for draft picks? Or do you even consider it at all?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
it'd have to be a 1st rounder for me to consider it
only because he is as valuable as a 1st rounder would provide
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 27, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
he's saying he thinks us being good anytime soon is a lost cause
and protecting for jackson isn’t that high of a priority as a result
backup RB took a backseat for this reason
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 27, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
i could not agree more, 3k
a lot of people didn’t understand the saffold pick in the second round because it didn’t fulfill a “need” on the offense or whatever (coincidentally, these same people also want barron gone, so i’m not really sure how they plan on having an offensive line, but that’s another issue), but i understood exactly where devaney and spags were going with this one. the whole draft encompassed building around bradford. if you’re going to have a franchise quarterback, the absolute first thing you have to do is protect him. that’s more important than having him people to throw to or even the running back, because if he isn’t protected, he’s getting sacked all the time and not going to be able to make plays. anyone remember david carr?
the saffold pick (and the draft, for that matter) was absolutely fine with me. the rams still have huge glaring needs (defensive line, outside linebacker, true #1 receiver, a legitimate #2 running back), but seeing as the rams are likely to have another top ten pick next year, these needs can be addressed in the 2011 draft. this is a multiple year project, and protecting bradford was absolutely the correct first move after drafting him.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 26, 2010 10:27 AM CDT reply actions
You didn't mention the need for a TE
who is a pass catching threat. We still aren’t even close to having that and it’s important, especially for a young QB.
Aside from QB and more depth at some positions, which glaring needs did we fill this year? I don’t see any. At that rate we’ll still be worrying about filling glaring needs in the 2014 draft.
the tight end thing is the most overblown thing in my opinion
granted, i do wish the rams took a tight end earlier than they did, but we have what we have. daniel fells and billy bajema are more than capable of getting the job done, even if they aren’t exactly “pass catching tight ends.” also, the dude from houston is a huge sleeper, as he’s very raw and hasn’t played football in awhile. however, he’s got huge size and the track record for his type is very good (antonio gates and tony gonzalez anyone?)
the rams had huge, glaring needs as basically every position, so they could only go with so many during the second draft of the rebuilding period.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 26, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Disagree, in part.
The need for a quality TE is not at all overblown. If anything, it’s “underblown.”
The Rams targeted their TEs 100 times last season. That’s a pretty large number. And in return, we got only 63 catches for 669 yards with 4 scores. Clearly the Rams’ offense is heavily geared toward using TE as pass catchers, but our group last year really didn’t do much with the opportunity, an occasional nice grab by Fells notwithstanding.
However, I agree that Onobun is really intriguing. The fact that two of his basketball teammates are now in the NFL is interesting, also.
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How many of those incompletions
were dropped passes by McMichael?
Just eliminating him from the roster and throwing more balls to Fells has to improve. I think Fells will improve a little this year (jeez, I hope he does) and then if he doesn’t become Chris Cooley, then should be addressed next year.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I want to say 25 or more
My source for these stats is PFF, but their site goes up and down. Right now, it’s down for me. But still, Fells’ catch percentage isn’t much higher than 60% either. It’s not like he has elite hands, he just doesn’t fall down mid-route as often as McMichael.
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McMichael just looked seriously
out of shape last year. I don’t know if it’s his age, wear and tear, or what. Maybe he lost some edge from playing on a losing team. I have no idea – but he looked SLOW to me. Very slow.
tight ends face a BRUTAL age curve
They take as many or more open-field hits as running backs, without the glory. At age 30, you might as well dig a grave.
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i agree with this.
i meant that it’s overblown relative to the rams. people act like the rams don’t have a tight end on the roster, when in reality we have fells and bajema who are more than capable of doing the role this year while bradford develops.
like tb said, we can address this need next year.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
let's not forget
saffold = holes for jackson. especially in bradford’s rookie year, jackson will get the ball and he will be ready to go. limiting bradford to 20-25 pass attempts a game is the only way to compete until he’s developed
How many more holes
will Saffold be able to create this year?
I agree that Jackson will still feature heavily and that Bradford won’t be throwing the ball all over the place, at least early on. But, (1) is Saffold going to jump in front of either Jason Smith or Alex Barron on the depth chart and (2) how much more than either of them will he create, in terms of lanes, if he does play? I’m skeptical on both of those points.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Apr 26, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Well maybe you grade Barron higher than I do
But if Saffold is the talent scouts say, he can absolutely outplay Barron this season. I think Smith is a real variable so I can’t say either way regarding his play – bottom line, he needs to be on the field and healthy.
I'm skeptical as to whether or not Saffold can outperform Barron in 2010
but one thing I’m sure we can agree on: Saffold would have to work really hard to commit as many penalties as ol Alex.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Apr 26, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Barron will be gone after this season.
Who outplays whom and who opens more lanes, etc. is a moot point. Barron will be gone and our Tackles in 2011 will be Smith and Saffold.
To be quite honest. This has everything to do with having a major talent able to step right in in 2011 ready to go. No learning curves. Hit the ground running (or passing….).
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Fair point
I just meant in terms of expectations from Saffold for 2010, I’m not expecting much. As for 2011 and beyond, I completely agree that he and J-Smooth are the appointed starting tackles, and whatever needs to be done to get him ready for 2011 this year needs to get done, period.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Apr 26, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
If Saffold can't outperform Barron this season, he doesn't deserve the "1st Round" grade the Rams put on him
Barron makes some plays here and there, and there are times when his poor play is overshadowed by someone else’s poorer play. But there’s no getting around the fact that Barron is one of the very worst tackles in the game right now. He hasn’t shown a whit of improvement in discipline or technique over the past three years, when he should be putting it all together. He needs to be gone by the end of training camp.
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Can't disagree
But expecting any rookie to outperform someone who’s been in the league since 2005 is a high bar to set.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Apr 26, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying it will happen day 1
The lessons of the four 1st round tackles from last year are still in the front of my mind. But the ones who showed the most by season’s end were the ones who were given the bulk of playing time, for better or worse — Michael Oher and Jacksonville’s tandem of rookies, Monroe and Britton.
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ponder this
While the Rams drafted ( hopefully ) some good players, so did the 9ers and the Seahawks and Cardinals and everybody else. The only way we get better than the other teams is by drafting better players and signing better free agents. I don’t think we did this. So the way I figure it is we may double our win total from last year, but it’s going to take at least another 2-3 years before we can start talking playoffs and that is only if we draft really well, and that still remains to be seen.
Right now,
I’m looking at 2011 as a playoff year.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
You can't look at it anyway else
With the parity in this league, there’s no reason why a team can’t rebuild from the core out (which is what we began in the 2009 draft) and compete for a playoff spot. If we aren’t on the fringe by 2011 and seriously in notable contention in the offseason between 2011 and 2012, the front office has failed in their primary mission.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Apr 26, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to try to put down my thoughts on the draft
in a logical order, then I’m going to stop talking about it. In fact, I’ll be away for several days and won’t even see what you guys are saying. Anyway, here is why I’m not real happy with our draft this year. Sorry it’s so long, but I wanted to get it said.
Let’s look at what we seemed to agree (with some exceptions) were our needs this year before the draft. I didn’t set these levels based on my own ideas. They are a sort of consensus of what was said here leading up to the draft. I’m sure someone can argue about the placement of some of them, but I think they do represent what our group overall felt was needed.
First Level
1. Get a QB who can take over and be our starter for the long term.
Second Level
2. OLB – Get one or two solid OLBs to help the defense with both the run and pass.
3. #1 WR – We have lots of #2 and #3 WRs, but not a #1.
4. Defensive line – Improve the DLine to stop the run and put more pressure on the QB.
5. #2 RB – Get a quality backup running back to take some of the pressure off SJ and do a good job when in the game.
6. TE – Get a tight end who is a pass receiving threat to help the QB when the pressure is on. (Some people had this as high as their second priority)
Third Level
7. OLine – Add quality depth to the offensive line at both tackle and guard.
8. DBacks – Add depth to the defensive backs, especially at CB.
9. Add quality depth everywhere.
Okay, how did we do?
Level 1
1. Got the QB. Most agree he was the best in the draft.
Level 2
2. OLB – Nothing. We passed on some quality guys.
3. #1 WR – We knew we weren’t going to get help here this year.
4. DLine – Added some bodies late in the draft to DE, who may or may not help. No help
at DT. No real impact players added unless Selvie surprises.
5. #2 RB – Nothing. Hard to believe the free agents are going to get the job done.
6. TE – A blocking TE and a long shot prospect. Did not get a solid, pass-catching TE.
Level 3
7. OLine – Saffold is a very solid pick and should help here.
8. DBacks – Drafted two picks and at least one of them should help here.
9. Depth overall – Added some players who will provide quality depth such as Gilyard.
So, what do I see overall? We definitely filled the first level need for a QB, and we filled the third level needs. However, we did almost nothing for any of the second level needs. It’s hard for me to see how we can call this a successful draft when we missed on so many of our important needs, while filling less important ones. We needed to hit on a couple of the second level ones, and we didn’t. Were there players available when we picked that could have helped at OLB and TE, for instance? Sure there were, but we passed on them because we had guys who fill third level needs rated slightly higher and we weren’t willing to leave the BPA system, nor make any deals to move up and get them. That means we’re going to be back next year having to try to fill some more of those needs, and we sure won’t be able to fill them all. It looks like we won’t have solid players in place at all our positions of need until 2012 at the best. This is why I feel this was not a very good draft for the Rams, and why I’m amazed to see so many people rating as a A or B.
by andyrose on Apr 26, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd, but don't totally agree
A team doesn’t have to fill every hole to become a contender. They just have to become competent at covering their weaknesses with other kinds of strengths. And I think that’s where 3k’s point about filling a team full of workers and grinders, and building a philosophy that covers an entire defensive unit, can make up for some holes.
For example, Spagnuolo’s schemes never seem to rely on a strong presence at either OLB spot, so while we might perceive that as a need (and I’d still love to have an Aaron Curry-type pass rush presence there), it may not be one in reality. Especially if we can start getting more consistent pressure with the front four, many of the other pieces will fall into place.
On offense, I think the book is still out. Working and grinding isn’t enough if you can’t score 17-21 points per game. It remains to be seen whether a size and accuracy upgrade at quarterback will mask over the remaining weaknesses in our game, but at least the added protection will give Bradford a chance to show us.
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Did you mention Aaron Curry?!
Odds Aaron Curry factors not in 2011 (at least to the degree everyone thought he would before the ’09 draft): 3-1
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Apr 26, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll take those odds
Though considering “everyone” thought he was going to be a superman, it might be tough billing to live up to. But he could still become a Pro Bowler, if Seattle can figure out what the hell they’re doing on defense.
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Maybe
4-3 OLBs require less athleticism and more tactical awareness (which is why Witherspoon was so good with Carolina and why we ruined him by moving him to MLB). 3-4 OLBs on the other hand allow athletic abilities to shine. I just don’t think Curry is going to be very effective in a 4-3, but if they can polish him up and find a way to apply his athleticism to their system, I could be wrong.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Apr 26, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you not consider that as a different skillset
rather than a lesser athlete? Of course, he might also be a lesser athlete.
Stop bitching.
by CoachConnors on Apr 27, 2010 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Also rec'd
Great comment, although I would disagree with some of those levels.
#4 on the second level was also #1 for me along with QB. Granted, it’s my own philosophy and interpretation of the game and how I value positions, but improving the D-line was a top-tier need for me (which obviously played into my Suhness).
I would also downgrade backup running back to a 3rd level need. It’s sad to say because he’s such a committed and talented back, but Jackson’s time on the Rams will be relegated to being a great back while we rebuilt. By the time we are postured to challenge for the playoffs, he’ll be on the downside of his career and we’ll be shopping for our next RB. In the meantime, I have no problems giving Darby a few more carries if we need to spell him over the next season and then find a backup in the 2011 draft. Of course if Westbrook comes, I’d be comfortable putting him ahead of Darby until he loses the job.
In terms of your grades/assessment, I’m with you.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
I could have sworn I replied
I’m the ass chipmunk who couldn’t hit reply for this thread. Aim anger here.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Apr 26, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do we have to wait until Jackson's on the downside of his career to shop for the backup?
They apparently didn’t wait for the OT’s to decay. I don’t know if it’s out of the question the draft a apprentice next year with a 1 or 2. He can’t project to be a HOF beast of course, but he can be a star.
Stop bitching.
by CoachConnors on Apr 27, 2010 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I understand expectations but
I wouldn’t go so far as to say we didn’t get a pass catching TE this year. What we didn’t get was a big name draft pick. We didn’t get a guy who was already polished. That’s not the same thing. It’s entirely possible that by the time Bradford is running this team into the NFC Championship Fendi is more productive than Pitta or Gronkowski or any of the guys at that level, We just don’t know that yet. I hold the same for all the picks….they disappointed expectations of what we thought they would do, but that’s not the same as what they really are worth. You don’t know if you have a good wine when you pick the grapes.
About Steven Jackson, I still him being as responsible for their success as Bradford would be. Jackson can now be the knock out punch instead of the lawn mower but that’s no less responsible for success. TD’s win games of course, not yards, and I can see him scoring plenty if they get balanced.
I get your point that he did all he can do, he only got them so far and you can’t expect more. Nevertheless, I expect ’different ’ , and he and Bradford will have a symbiotic (simbianese? siamese?) relationship, and in that niether really being more or less responsible for succcess than the other.
Let’s turn to the Jets to see how a bruising, efficient run game can protect a young QB from having to extend himself and try to make too many plays on his own. Sanchez’s confidence and development benefits greatly from his run game (and his D but that’s another issue).
Last year’s SJ39 yardage factory turns into 2011, 2012’s raging bull inside the 10yl – if – Bradford and WR/TE’s can shoulder more of the load in between the 20’s. I have every expectation they will, if they can’t at least do that much they’ll be way behind schedule.
I think Jackson is good for 3-4 more years and a backup can be drafted early next year and be ready for a seamless transition by the time Jackson turns the 30yr corner. Until then, I hope to see the air game get proficient by the start of next year,
Stop bitching.
I rec'ed the OP, half because I agreed with *most* of your points and half because
the comments here were the most sane, calm, rational group I’ve seen in a long time. I’d almost forgotten it could be this way from start to finish. Give yourselves a collective pat on the back for putting together a fine example of TST’s best work.
Its really good to have all of you guys ("the brain trust") all be able to get in the same room for a conversation. Thanks for continuing to reply to each other for more than 1 or 2 comments in a row. I thoroughly enjoyed reading down the whole page.
I don’t know how you kept the riff-raff and crackpots out. Oh wait, I guess you didn’t, I’m rigth here.
good night
Stop bitching.
+1
if we could just half the threads on tst to end up like this one, i would be a happy camper.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 27, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions

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