Grading the draft
Eleven picks later, the draft is over and the Rams have a new crop of talent to add to the depth chart going into training camp. It's been a long time coming since the last regular season game ended on Jan. 3.
And now for some grades I'm sure will end up making me look like a dumbass in a couple years, if anyone remembers to search for this after the 2014 draft:
Rd. 1, Pk #1 (#1 overall)
Sam Bradford, QB (Oklahoma): A
In spite of the trade rumors and the fading hopes of drafting Ndamukong Suh, we all pretty much knew this was going to happen. Didn't we? And whether or not you liked the pick or agreed with it or (insert appropriate description of your feelings here), there should be a couple points we can all agree on (after the jump):
- This team and this franchise was going nowhere with Marc Bulger as the top QB. The teams of the mid-decade in which Bulger flourished gave way to the painful years in '07, '08 and '09 when both Bulger, and the Rams, weren't very good (really, were downright horrible for the most part). Taking Bradford both allows the team and the fan base to put that era in the past and build on the promise of a new direction.
- There is no position more important in the sport of football than the quarterback. While any of us could argue that there were opportunities to improve the team to a larger degree in picking someone else, drafting Bradford provides a significant upgrade at, again, the most important position in the sport. Considering the Suh alternative, it would be hard to argue that Bradford will have less impact in a game for the Rams than Suh will have in a game for the Lions.
- Bradford has the character and mental makeup you look for in a quarterback. Concerns relating to the system he played in or his injuries are valid. Any concerns about Bradford as a person aren't at this point. If Ryan Leaf taught the league anything, it's that being a physically talented knucklehead is different than just being physically talented. Character counts, and Bradford gets an A+ in this category.
- The front office and Spagnuolo hadn't really imprinted themselves on the team psyche until this pick. Every new front office / coaching staff takes a QB early on in their tenure. Why? To give them a QB they can develop to run their offense. It's not a complicated issue. Some, like Josh McDaniels and his new QB Tim Tebow or then Oakland Raiders (and later Tennessee Volunteers and now USC Trojans) HC Lane Kiffin with Jamarcus Russell, get a bit, uh, wacky in choosing their new signal caller. With Bradford leading the offense for the forseeable future, Spags, Devaney and everyone involved in the organization can take comfort in the certainty at the position.
Rd. 2, Pk #1 (#33 overall)
Rodger Saffold, OT (Indiana): B
A surprising pick in a draft full of them. I had him going in the third in my last mock, although in my unfinished mock 5.0, I had him going at #50 to Kansas City, so not horrible value especially for a OT. Still, in hindsight, there was a lot of talent in other positions that would have made sense here: DT Brian Price, RB Dexter McCluster, WR Arrelious Benn, and TE Rob Gronkowksi just to name a few.
It's hard to argue against giving Bradford more protection, but this now gives us three pure tackles on the roster: Alex Barron, Jason Smith and Rodger Saffold. If the FO was this down on Barron, why not try to move him for another draft pick? As frustrating as his penalty penchant is, he isn't a bad tackle. It just seems like we took a luxury pick here. That's not a bad thing, but if you're coming off of a 1-15 season, it's hard to justify.
Rd. 3, Pk #1 (#65 overall)
Jerome Murphy, CB (S. Florida): C+
At this point, I realized I had no idea what this front office was going to do with any pick. Taking a CB was just not on my radar at this point. I was looking at TE Ed Dickson, DE Alex Carrington, WR Damian Williams, DT Corey Peters or OLB Navorro Bowman. But of course, when the pick was over, it smelled like BradleyFletcherBradley 2.0.
Another physical press corner with long arms that throws a lot of weight around at the CB position, but was that worth spending a 3rd round pick on with so many offensive talents still available? I don't have a problem with Murphy as a prospect; in my unfinished mock, I had him going at the end of the 3rd. I just wonder if this pick was a BPA pick; if so, I worry that in picking BPA, we ignored some areas that needed a 3rd-round level talent much more than CB.
Rd. 4, Pk #1 (#99 overall)
Mardy Gilyard, WR (Cincinnati): B+
This is a very likeable pick. His negatives are obvious: lack of size and top-end speed and below-average hands. His plusses are obvious as well: YAC monster with a plethora of jukes, plays with tenacity despite size, hard worker.
BTW, a quick rant: I hate ESPN / Scouts Inc.'s reports sometimes. They cite character concerns for Gilyard and grade him a 3 (1 being the best 5 being the worst) on "intangibles". Let's break that down. After his freshman 2005 season, he had his scholarship pulled for academic performance. We've seen this happen to hundreds of college players, and 99% of the time, that becomes the last you've heard of them. Gilyard took a different route To get the money he needed to re-enroll at Cincy, he took four different jobs and slept in a car. I say again, the kid worked four jobs and slept in a em-effing Grand Am just to get another chance. And that was the last of it. That counts as character issues? To ESPN / Scouts Inc. it does. Hell, they gave Carlos Dunlap, who only plays half of the snaps he sees on the field and has a DUI at the end of a college season to his credit, a 2. That's right, the DUI low-effort Dunlap has better intangibles than Mardy Gilyard who worked four jobs and slept in a flucking Pontiac Grand Am just to get back in to school.
Rd. 5, Pk #1 (#132 overall)
Mike Hoomanawanui, TE (Illinois): D+
This one makes no sense to me. Hooma's got great size...and that's it. I saw him in about a half dozen games over 2009 and 2008 and wasn't impressed by much besides his size. How does that help the Rams' offense? I'm not sure. And yes, the instinct says to compare him to Brandon Manumaleuna, but has a racist tinge to it, no? The reality is, this pick was spent on a large, large TE who, if he sees the field in 2010 and produces, will be a surprise.
Rd. 5, Pk #18 (#149 overall)
Hall Davis, DE (Louisiana-Lafayette): C
I only caught two ULL games the last two years, and that's only because they played UNT. He had a good game last year, but hell, it was UNT. Still, there's a lot to like about his tangibles obviously. I just feel like the D-line deserved to be addressed earlier than this pick.
Rd. 6, Pk #1 (#170 overall)
Fendi Onobun, TE (Houston): D-
Another strange TE pick, and makes even less sense after already drafting one TE. Why no Dorin Dickerson? I just don't understand why we spent two picks on two huge tight ends of whom neither will likely offer much in the passing game.
Rd. 6, Pk #20 (#189 overall)
Eugene Sims, DE (Keith Null U. / West Texas A&M): B
A project player with the right frame and tangibles at a position that relies heavily on frame and tangibles. This is what 6th round picks are for. I do love how after a pick like this, suddenly everyone knows who he is instead of just being honest and admitting you never have and never will watch a West Texas A&M game.
Rd. 7, Pk #4 (#211 overall)
Marquis Johnson, CB (Alabama): B+
A solid nickel back prospect, but underscouted simply because he never saw the field enough. Bear in mind, the two CBs ahead of Johnson went in the 1st and 2nd rounds of this year's draft (Kareem Jackson and Javier Arenas, respectively). So while that suggests he'll be behind the curve on experience, it also means he should have plenty of potential to tap out. Great value for a 7th rounder.
I do wonder what this says about the secondary. Three CBs (including two third-rounders) in the last two years. Is there a stronger demand from the secondary in the Spagnuolo defense than we anticipated?
Rd. 7, Pk #19 (#226 overall)
George Selvie, DE (S. Florida): B
Who is George Selvie? Is he the phenom that burst on to the national radar and helped put South Florida on the map? Or is he the old hat with one too few tricks in the bag that was rarely heard from in the last two years? In '06 and '07, Selvie racked up 123 tackles and 19 sacks (including a ridiculous 14 sacks in 2007 alone). These last two years, just 83 and 8. Sure, the common refrain is that increased blocking focus and double teams limited his productivity (and, thus, allowed fellow S. Florida DE Jason Pierre-Paul to terrorize offensive linemen). Still, he isn't very big for an end, and he's not incredibly fast. So, while we might limit the expectations, you don't get many seventh rounders with as much production as he has on his resume.
Rd. 7, Pk #47 (#254 overall)
Josh Hull, LB (Penn St.): C+
Another project lineman like David Vobora, though coming from Penn St., he has arguably the best linebacker education college football can provide. And playing in the same LB corps as Sean Lee (who went in the 2nd round) and Navorro Bowman (who was picked in the 3rd) suggests he is used to playing with NFL-caliber linebackers.
Overall: C+
It's hard to get incredibly excited by this draft. When you get a pair of TEs and a pair of CBs, that's not exactly the recipe for a flashy draft. Still, with Bradford at the helm, things already look better for the Rams.
A quick note on what I've got coming up in draft-related stuff before we get into full offseason mode:
- a look at what the draft means, not just for the Rams but for front offices across the league
- draft grades for all 32 teams (though not nearly as in depth as this)
- a look back at my first 2010 mock draft from right after the 2009 draft...
-... which means of course more mockery! A 2011 and even a 2012 mock draft for more embarassment in the years ahead. The 2011 one will be a two-rounder, the 2012 mock will be just the first round.
As for now, well, it's day 1.
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Don't know what this video means in the bigger picture
But here’s a Sports Science video on Mardy Gilyard
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i also saw that on youtube
and it led me to researching the rams draft and then i found turf show.. this kid looks to have good instincts…hope to see u all in the future!
also a note on his "character rank’…ive seen the story on him when they covered the senior bowl in mobile. very unique.
This further solidifies his rep: usf v cincy, he collides with a small child after an endzone catch then checks to see if he’s okay
here’s the bear hug
by guillermozeliak on May 16, 2010 4:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Saffold grade..
Was very wrong IMO. I had him going to the Colts in the late first and just about every mock i saw had him as a late first, early second rounder. Rams were very high on him and multiple teams were poised to take him if we traded down or passed on him. Don’t see how getting a right tackle that can play left tackel and both guard positions is a luxury. Most likely going to start and Barron is the most penalized tackle in the league that plays like a light switch. one day he’s on another he’s off. This is a great pick that represented BPA and filled a need.
Onubu was a gamble pick in a lte round prospect. Tremendous upside. If he doesn’t pan out its not big loss.
Our only known starting CB is Bartell. We’re not sure how Fletcher will look coming back. I don’t see how you think this wasn’t as big a need as receiver was.
I give this draft a B easily, possibly a B+
Added some positions of need and very good depth.
The upgrade from 2010 Barron to 2010 Saffold
isn’t very significant if one exists at all, IMO. On the other hand, a TE, DT or OLB would have been a huge upgrade, again IMO.
Those three positions were my top-tier needs (along with QB, but it was a given that would be filled). My second tier was DE, CB, WR in that order; I didn’t think WR was a bigger need than CB (especially at the nickel, but Murphy isn’t a nickel).
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
exactly what I thought of round 2
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
this is a long-term pick
The Rams rebuilding is a 2-3 year project. It’s pretty obvious that we’re not going to retain Barron after this year (if he’s even still with us going into the season). So Saffold can play guard or tackle this year, and will be a long-term starter at tackle along with Smith.
Uh....
There’s no way Saffold makes nearly as many penalties as Barron does. Barron is a good lineman, but 10 penalties a year just kills the team.
Besides that, Barron is out of here next year. They tendered him lower than they could have, which means likely he is gone. So why not get his replacement now?
I agree.
Additionally, I’m not sold on Smith. I have not SEEN anything that leads me believe he could be an above average tackle at the NFL level.
oh I did
I watched him on tape over and over (actually, DVR) and he plays a hell of a game. He’s strong and quick, holds his block, puts guys down, looked for a second guy to block, and played sideline to sideline.
What did he do to disappoint you?
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 25, 2010 2:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad you did.
I’m hoping I missed something. I, too often, saw a guy that didn’t know how to use his hands, seemed uncomfortable, and was slow in moving laterally.
I don't believe Saffold starts ahead of Barron
Anyone who thinks he will was not watching our star OT last year. Smith had to play on the right, and Barron (despite being experienced on the right side) had to move to left because they needed the best Tackle on the left side. So the new rookie Saffold comes in and puts Barron on the bench? I don’t believe that will happen. Saffold probably gets some Guard time while he learns how to play in the NFL, or Barron gets traded, but no way the rook just beats out an expereinced Tackle like Barron.
I read today he plans on signing his tender.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 25, 2010 2:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure he doesn't start over Smith....
and I said he COULD be our best tackle by the end of the year. Barron WAS our best tackle last year. I hope he is not this year. If I had to pick Smith or Saffold to pass him, I would pick Saffold. Crazy?
I watched Smith over and over
and he played really well. Seriously. If you record it and watch him and not the ball, he has game.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 25, 2010 2:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I recorded all the games and I LOVE line play.
That is one reason I loved the Saffold pick. O-line is the most significant part of the offense.
Really think a rook will displace Barron?
extremely unlike, IMHO.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 25, 2010 3:04 AM CDT up reply actions
ly
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 25, 2010 3:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure of a few things....
Does Barron finish(or start) the season with the Rams?
Do the Rams play the best players or focus on development?
Is Smith a capable LT in the NFL?
Does Barron care?
Will the Rams try Saffold(or Barron or Smith) at guard?
They won't sit a better OL
If Barron is here, he starts. Who knows if he’ll be here.
I like Smith’s game, but it’s early. I think he’s on track for LT
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 25, 2010 3:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to agree with you.
I hope that Smith can be a top 10 LT in the NFL.
I hope Brown can justify his signing.
I hope Saffold is pushed to guard because the play of Smith and Barron dictate that he should be.
That's what I'm hoping
I’m hoping he initially plays guard, and we just keep Barron for now. Offensive line depth is always necessary. You need a lot of linemen. Those guys taking a beating, whether you’re inside or outside. If Smith or Barron struggle or get injured – hopefully Staffold can slide over without costing us much in terms of production.
I don’t consider myself an expert on O-line play – but I think quick lateral movement is supposed to be one of Smith’s strengths. He’s a big, strong guy with a ton of potential. They knew he was a little raw when they took him. I don’t think we’ve seen any indication that he’s not going to be a good player (if he can keep from getting his bell rung and stay on the field).
I grade the Saffold as the best pick of the Rams draft...
even though I wish we had traded the pick. I think he could be the best Rams tackle by the end of the year.
by Sofanumber1 on Apr 25, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
that's you floating in a dreamboat
i’ll be happy if he’s the #3 best… best is really unrealistic…. tackle-wise, i’d say second is realistic
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think I'm floating in a dreamboat...
Alex Barron is…Alex Barron. I assume that when you say “second is realistic” that you are hoping Smith is the best. I have seen Smith play at the NFL level. Unless I missed something, he projects as a DECENT tackle. I never saw anything that led me to believe he would ever sniff a probowl at left tackle. I think Saffold could be better by the end of the season. Ridiculous? Dreamboat? I don’t think so. I might be wrong but Barron and Smith have never showed me anything that could convince me that I am crazy….
your missing something
smith is supposed to be Orlando Pace 2.0… hence why he was 2nd overall
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
at the very least Onubu will be a decent special teams player
big fast, and blocked to kicks in one game.
This Draft
could have killed us for a decade. If Bradford fizzles out and just doesn’t cut it… Oh my… I just don’t get it.. PLEASE let there be some pleasant surprises emerge when we see some of these guys play.
2 TE’s huh?
OT in he second… uh… not as glaring a need. but OK…
Our D-Line was poorly addressed.. period… look for much of the same this year where we get run over.
OLB? Hello?
All I can say is, Bradford better be a pro-bowler or this draft went completely down the toilet and makes Zygmuts past drafts look like Bilicheck
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
I'm glad someone else agrees with me.
Even if some of the picks are decent players, why pick for depth when you have positions crying out for even one decent player? How could we completely ignore OLB? Why would we draft another #2 WR and pass up the chance to get a really good TE like Dickson? Why would we not do anything to get more push up the middle on pass defense? And why didn’t we get any help for SJ? Are we happy to have his career be over in another couple of years?
Again, while some of the picks after round 1 are decent players, in my mind the draft overall fails because we didn’t address many of our need areas when we could have added solid players to some of them just as easily.
FRWIW, we are maybe signing westbrook and
we signed three undrafted FAs, the one most likely to make team is Keith Toston from Ok State
other than that, yeh….
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
i didn't really understand that, but i'll try to respond
he’ll be a backup and he is effective when healthy
he’s better than darby and he’ll be cheap
he can block and catch, and once again, if healthy, he’s a playmaker on the field
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay Chicken Little
The fact is – none of us has seen most of the late round guys play. Most late round picks don’t become starters. Our first 4 picks are all guys that are going to play a lot – and soon.
Lots of the late round guys will contribute on special teams.
Of course, I agree that if Bradford fails to develop, that will set the franchise back…assuming you think it could be set any further back than it is right now;) That’s a big if. Taking a QB is a gamble – but it’s a necessary one. If you want to be a great team, eventually you need someone that isn’t a stop gap playing QB. Taking Peyton Manning was a risk. QBs impact the game. Playoff teams tend to have elite QBs. Whether he’s going to be one is TBD, but it’s a calculated risk.
C+ to B- too many average players taken. Billy let the WR,TE,RB and LB,DE be taken
We need impact players in all those spots,he did not target one high ranked pick on offense or defense that really sucks this could have been a great draft ,when the pressure was on Billy D chocked under pressure ,he just sat there making no moves when so many other teams were dealing to get there man ,nice going Billy hope your daughter likes your picks
What surprises me is when he said "we need playmakers, period..
guys who can score from way out.."
Remember that? I don’t see where we adrressed that need (aside from Bradford).
We basically got project players, and players that filled less of a glaring need (unskilled).
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
clarify: all football playes are "skilled" IMHO.. but I meant "skill positions"
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
exactly right
We left many playmakers on the board at every pick. I’ll admit I would’ve picked Griffen with the 33rd, but not before trading down, and don’t tell me it was impossible. Maybe we couldn’t have gotten value but with the picks we made we couldn’t possibly have been thinking ‘we need to stay at this pick because of the player we’ve targeted.’
We could’ve wound up with Blount, Anthony Dixon, Dorin Dickerson, Dekota Watson, Navarro Bowman, Dexter Davis, Jamar Chaney, Syd’quan Thompson, Bruce Campbell would’ve been available in the 4th after picking Bowman in the 3rd.
This is a good example
of how we have a preference for names we know. We have a bias toward players whose names we have seen a lot in mock drafts. It doesn’t mean they’re better players. We haven’t scouted them – and we certainly haven’t scouted the players the Rams drafted.
To be overly positive or overly negative b/c the Rams didn’t go with the names you knew and saw being taken in Mel Kiper’s mock or at Walter Football doesn’t make any sense.
In retrospect, we can see that taking Griffen at 33 would have been a reach – we could have taken him instead of Mardy Gilyard at the top of the 4th. I admit that in 2, 3 and 4 I was thinking Griffen myself – but for whatever reason – the Rams weren’t the only team to pass on him. They weren’t the only board that Blount tumbled off of. They weren’t the only team that downgraded Dickerson and Watson to the 7th round.
All I’m saying is, let’s not overreact. I’ve never seen a reaction like this to any of the Rams other drafts – and WE KNOW THOSE were terrible in retrospect. When Adam Carriker got selected – people were saying, I really like that pick. We’ll know in 2 years if the Rams just ruined the franchise – but let’s at least start from the premise that we don’t know everything there is to know.
by Toddius on Apr 25, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why is it that those of us who disagree with this draft are over-reacting
No one is saying we know everything but I got familiar with some of these names for a reason. Scouting reports aren’t all bad. And the Rams FO has way too much credibility in this post.
I just think
it’s obvious that we can’t tell whether it’s a terrible draft or a great draft, yet. Listing players we should have taken – some of which were names that were 4th round names for Mel Kiper or Walter Football but 7th round names in the actual draft – shows the disconnect b/w those people and the scouting departments of actual teams. Not just the Rams. All the teams.
I haven’t heard anyone that likes the draft say “Now the Rams are going to be the best forever.” But I have heard people who dislike the draft saying “Worst draft ever. Ruined the franchise for the next 10 years.” Maybe that shouldn’t have been a reply to you, and of course I don’t mean anything personal by it. It’s more of a general response. No offense intended.
Some of those reactions are knee-jerk I guess
And I also said that the draft is a farce on a previous post. That may be an over-reaction, but keep in mind these posts are asking us what we think. Some of us let our social inadequacies loose occasionally, to understate it. None taken TY
What do you suppose teams thought of some of those players dbcouver?
Griffen went in rnd 4, Blount wasn’t even drafted cause of obvious reasons, Dickerson fell maybe due to playing 3 different positions in college [jack of all trades master of none], Bruce Campbell… point being it was more than the Rams who let these players drop, why?
what was he supposed to do?
I suppose you guys would have liked us to get Bradford AND Spiller AND Bryant AND Gresham, right?
yes trade your late round pics and move up grabe Bryant or Spiller
you would not like that better?
Oh really what you think every GM waited like Devaney to see if any one call?
if you want a player you make the call you dont wait and wait and wait and get nothing like Devaney did ,yes you can say just trade up make a offer to the teams and see what they say,you dont just sit there sleaping
You can say that now that the draft is over
But you had no idea that things would have been like that before the draft. You thought Clausen was a mid first rounder, Griffen was a fringe 1st-2nd rounder, and Campbell was a 3rd rounder at worst. Hindsight is 20/20.
You're right I did think Clausen was a mid first rounder
Thats why if we ‘d have gotten Suh first, I wouldn’t have passed on him at 33, not Griffen at 65, not Campbell at 99. This post asks us what we think. I think thats what I would have done. It’s not hind sight, I made my thoughts clear before this started. I also would have wound up with Watson, Blount, Dickerson, and Sapp. Maybe all they wouldn’t all be great but they would be better than what we did. This isn’t based on after the fact. I know I would have picked these guys., based on where they went. Not just hind sight is 20/20.
Give me a break
To say my draft would have been better when you have zero NFL tape on any of these guys is pure arrogance.
It is milk it may be spilled it may be delicious.
Don't confuse frustration with arrogance
Before you insult me please prove you know what I was thinking before the draft. I’d prove it but I’d need you to do a little homework on looking up some previous posts. That effort isn’t something I would expect from someone who pretends be clairavoyant (sp), especially if it would prove you wrong.
Do you know what clairvoyant means?
I said you have no idea how these guys will perform and you call me clairvoyant? I was being the antithesis of clairvoyant.
It is milk it may be spilled it may be delicious.
Doesn't it mean you know what I was thinking
Please educate me. You seem to think you know what idea I had before the draft. Tell me what was it going through my head. By the way I appreciate the arrogant tag and subsequent lesson on how to actually be arrogant, you insignificant little puke.
no
–adjective1. having or claiming to have the power of seeing objects or actions beyond the range of natural vision.
Has nothing to do with thought. Please use a dictionary if you are not sure what a word means to avoid further embarrassment.
Never said I knew what you were thinking. I was only trying to point out that you have no idea how anyone will perform, so to say you would be able to do better with the insignificant amount of information you had compared to what the front office had is not a factual statement.
And me saying something is an act of arrogance is not calling you arrogant. I dont know you so I cant make a judgement on that. But I am glad we have resorted to name calling.
It is milk it may be spilled it may be delicious.
Undrafted Free Agent Thread
What’s the story on the guys we picked up? Why all DE and no DT’s in the draft, not even a FA?!? Maybe there is a trade in the works to bring a bigger run stuffing body into the Middle of the D Line? I hope so. Can’t help feeling like I would have been much happier with giving up what the Raiders did for Jason Campbell for the year and doing a Carolina by getting a couple young QB guys to compete like Clausen PIke, etc. And just take Suh or McCoy 1st. Time will tell, but I can’t help feeling like all the teams in the West took a Big step forward and we took baby step.
hi ed
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 25, 2010 2:59 AM CDT up reply actions
That's hard to believe
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.
by Midasknight on Apr 25, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with basically everything..
except I gave the Marquis Johnson pick a much lower grade. Other than that we are on the same page. Nice write up.
My biggest issue is this:
The front office is almost assuredly working with better information than we are, and they likely have different ideas on what our true team needs are. We clamor for drafting Damian Williams in the 3rd or Brian Price or whatever, and that’s because we’ve heard their names in other mock drafts. Our front office knows these names; the EASY thing to do would just be to take the big names, but if they do their due diligence, it is very likely that they have a different ranking system than us, Mel Kiper, Scott Wright, Mocking Dan, or whoever. It is disingenuous to think that our front office, who have their jobs and tens of millions of dollars on the line, would not take a bigger name “just because.”
They’re not infallible, no, as is evidenced by the Zygmunt era, but Devaney has proven to me that he is a generally rational GM and Spagnualo has proven that he is a generally rational coach. All of these factors lead me to believe that they know what they’re doing, and they DEFINITELY know more than I do
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
check out our record for the past 3 years
I’d trust most anyone over Rams front office to evaluate players….
How?
Last year this FO was cleaning up from the old one and they still are. I don’t see how not having a winning team now is there fault.
And last year's
draft produced a lot of NFL caliber players. Smith is a quality starter, JL is a quality starter, Fletcher looked good. We added a DT with potential to the rotation.
Most later round picks are not going to be starters in the NFL for any team. If those guys give you positive contributions in some way – like special teams and you find an occasional starter or solid depth – then you’re doing well.
Not at all
We can’t speak to this year at all yet so what else do we have to talk about besides last year?
In what manner has he proven that to you?
Was the draft last year wonderful? Has he done a great job for other teams? His top two or three players last year seemed to be good picks, but I didn’t see him pull out a winner after the first four rounds. Did I miss someone?
I was really hopeful that he was going into this draft with an aggressive attitude and a plan that would bring us real impact players for some of our areas of greatest need. The first pick did that. Beyond the first round he seemed to freeze and completely lose his aggressiveness. He just meekly waited until his turn while other teams wheeled and dealed and grabbed the players we needed from under our nose.
I think the first 4 picks last year were good.
We’ll have to see what Scott does this year and how Fletcher bounces back from injury. We don’t know what we have in Foster. So there are at least 3 players out of 7 that are good picks. You can’t count them off for having one of his picks injured. I have no problem with their drafts so far.
you didn't say Foster was a good pick, did you?
when he catches a pass in the NFL, then let’s discuss him being a good pick
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
No
I said he could be, we don’t know yet. The at least 3 were Smith, JL, and Fletcher. And I think Scott will be added to that list, and Foster could for all we know. That’s why at least 3.
ooo ok... nvm my math was off
we’ll see what he does this year without injury
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
You are wrong its not just names that we herd if that was the case
Every other team would not have been making deals to move up and get them lol it looks like Billy Devaney was in shock lol he just look at them all go bye bye and did not make one move until Atlanta who was very active from the first round actually kicked Billy in the ass and said Hey were talking to you lol and that woke him up for a second but he quickly went back to sleep lmao .You can keep the faith and God bless you for it lol but im loosing it fast
Sam Bradford was also just a name in mock drafts. The media made our first pick.
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.
I don't think the media made our first pick.
I’m pretty sure it was fear. It is difficult to sell a rebuild and select a DT. A quarterback sells more tickets and keeps more jobs…..
Devaney and Spags could not afford to have Bradford pull a Sanchez.
Too bad what made the first pick was not
Whats best for the Rams. What gives us the best shot at a successful draft.
I disagree
If you believe he’s a franchise QB (and all indications say that they do), then that’s exactly what’s best for the Rams.
You build a team around a QB, not a DT. If you truly find a franchise QB, you don’t trade him for draft picks, either.
Pull a Sanchez? I hope you aren't meaning that Sanchez is worth a crap.
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.
by Midasknight on Apr 25, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't your parents monitor your computer use?
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.
by Midasknight on Apr 25, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Deal all your 5, 6, 7,s and get me some impact player WTF did you do
The quality in the players he drafted can be had after the draft is over lol every year ,we did not need 11 players to work on for the next three years ,we needed 5 players that will make immediate impact this year ,but im sorry to say to you Billy D, you might not be around to finish the projects you just drafted lol
I think this draft could be considered a successful one by next year.
I think the first 4 picks were relatively safe. All four of those players should contribute very soon. Bradford is really the least safe pick in the first four rounds for us.
As long as Bradford’s not a bust I think we’re pretty safe.
Most would agree that:
Bradford will be a good-great QB
Saffold will be a valuable piece to our O-line
Murphy will be a solid corner
Gilyard will be a nice target and could have been a steal in round 4.
Then we took three DE’s. If just one of those develop into a solid pass rusher, I would be happy.
If Hoomanwanui can prove to be even slightly better than Manumaleuna, I would be happy.
Onubon is a complete bonus. If he busts, no harm done, if he develops into Antonio Gates, we just made the steal of the decade.
The other two picks are like Onubon, hit or miss, doesn’t hurt us that bad.
So why is everyone unhappy with the draft. We could very well have 5-6 solid players coming out of it. Who cares if they aren’t the position you would have wanted. 5-6 solid players is more than we’ve had out of a draft in a very long time.
welll Hooma provides absolutely nothing to the table
he can block… woohoo so can billy bajema…. 114 receiving yards last year…… so not a good pick there
Saffold is a risk IMO, although if we keep barron, he can have time to learn sytstem, but he is by no means a safe pick
gilyard is Donnie Avery 2.0 who can return kicks…. and he’s slower….
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
With all do respect lets take the CB that he drafted in the 3rd round
Your statement he will be a solid CB,first you don’t know that,second he dose not have elite speed to be a man to man cover CB,he is only physical and will be getting beat deep
with out help,if we wanted a CB move up and take the CB that the Pats got late in the first round ,so you have not only got a player but a really solid CB with 4.4 speed that can cover any WR one on one ,That’s is securing a position to me,and just cause they hit last year with Fletcher is no guarantee at all.
I never said he will be a corner, although it may look like that
I said many will agree that he will be a solid corner, that does not mean he will be. Murphy ran a faster 40 at the combine than Joe Haden. If he would have run a 4.48 instead of a 4.51 his speed would seem a lot better while not actually being that much better. He was a projected 2nd rounder by many and we got him in the third. I’m just saying, this time next year, we could have 5 or 6 solid players out of this draft. Not saying we will, we have to wait to find out. But you do gotta love Jerome Murphy’s Al Harris hair. Makes him seem like a stud CB even if he’s not. Free agency is where the difference will be made next year if its a capped year again. Then we can have the same draft strategy and fill more needs.
Im not into players with long hair
If I was Godel I would mail every team a pair of scissors and give them a weed to have every player nice and neat no hair exceeding the helmet period,or i suspend you for life lmao
If I was roger godell
I would euthanize all old people because they say retarded things like everyone should have to cut their hair and pull up their pants.
oh you one of them with there pants down lmao ha ha ha
maybe we should let the players were therepants down too ha ha ha your a clown a real comedian
As far as WR we simply settled for second best he is not elite lots of jucks and cuts
He is more like Hakeam was not a Torry Holt or Ike B. I mean we can use him but Dallas ,Denver, and New England got the best WRs in this draft ,Even the Bucks out drafted us at WR and they pick 2 spots after we did
We did not fill out OLB need
The last chance we had to fill our OLB position was to take Navarro but we passed on him and let the 49rs take him ,oh thats ok we are happy with the worst of the three Pen Stant LBs lol
doesn't matter
he’s projected to only play special teams….
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
i will be writing many, many words on this draft in the next few days
BUT, the one thing i want to say right now to all those hating on the saffold pick (and yes, it’s saffold, i wonder how many times people are going to get that wrong before they start getting it right):
a line of saffold, smith, barron, brown, and bell sounds pretty awesome to me. just sayin’.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 25, 2010 12:57 AM CDT reply actions
Across the line
I’d go Smith, Bell, Brown, Fraley, Saffold (when ready).
I add Fraley because he brings much needed experience as the other guys are still pretty young, but I think we are set for years in all positions. Saffold, in hindsight, is a great pick IMO.
i'm willing to hear you out on this
what would you have done?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 25, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I would have started with Suh
That would have left Clausen available in the second. Of course I didn’t know that but I would have been fine with McCoy. whether or not he would have been available is moot because I would have been fine without a QB in this draft if one didn’t drop in our laps at value. I felt one would so I think starting out with Suh was a feasible fundamental strategic start. Had we started that way, it’s hard to argue against Clausen being available now isn’t it?
I also admit I would have drafted Griffen earlier than 4th, likely in the third, then Campbell in the fourth, then Sapp and Watson in the fifth, with Dickerson, Blount and Rolle thrown into the 6th and 7th rounds.
I talked about my hopes for this draft with these specific names among others in certain rounds. I also know one changed pick changes who is available, but bottom line is I think we got a boatload of people who would have been available at much lower positions, and we traded down only once.
In conclusion, we’ll know in no less than 2-3 years who’s right and who’s wrong but I’m betting I’d have done well in comparison and with reference to my comparative pay-scale.
so you would have been fine without a quarterback in this draft?
so, you would have been cool with feeley, a career backup, starting 16 games for us next year? you would have been fine with the rams improving other parts of their team but still not making much progress because their team doesn’t have a good quarterback that can lead them?
this team needed a quarterback. period. it’s going to take 2-3 years for him to develop, but he’s going to make it. and when he does, he’s going to be great. not drafting a quarterback this year just would have set the process back another year. that’s just silly.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 25, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you for reminding me why I don't respond to you
Take a relatively small part of my answer to your question and run with it, only that small part, about my being OK without drafting a QB. I never said I was fine with Feely. I said I was fine if a QB didn’t appear at value for us. I was reasonably sure that would not be the case.
The fact that I wanted Suh is one you conveniently left out. This would have ultimately led to the choice of Clausen in the second but, no you need to concentrate on the one area you seem to think I am neglecting and running with it. I don’t doubt Bradford will be great. I do doubt he’s the only one.
i'm legitimately trying to have a real discussion with you
you can’t argue that i “conveniently left out” the fact that you wanted suh by saying that it “would have ultimately led to the choice of clausen in the second” AFTER you said in your original comment that “of course I didn’t know (that clausen would fall to the second round).”
either way, does it matter? even you had confidence that mccoy was going to be available in the second, it wouldn’t have made sense for the rams to draft him, because he’ll never be the quarterback that bradford is.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 25, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The DE he drafted are under sized that might play LBs ,
what is there to like other then the Bradford pick lol
How?
A projected 2nd rounder in the 4th and a projected 5-6th rounder in the 7th. Don’t see the reach
im going to side with carneros on this one
selvie is the farthest thing from a reach and gilyard was rated a 2nd-3rd round receiver
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
In all fairness
I like Saffold Gilyard and Selvie as well. I have hopes for the rest. I am glad we got 2 TEs, though they weren’t the ones I had in mind. Josh Hull will make the regular season roster, you heard it here.
I may be disappointed in the choice of Hoomanawanui but
after some thought I bet he turns out to be a fan favorite.
how can you be a fan favorite
when you can only block
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 26, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
The OT pick is not bad but I would have picked the TE that the Pats took Grakowski
im not sure how you spell his name,but he play on the OL too, he can block and is a has really good hands
you gunna post your thoughts as like 18 comments
or you actually going to be a big boy and form sentences and make paragraphs to say something intelligent?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 25, 2010 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions
nope.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 25, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
ask him how he knows edpjr
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 25, 2010 3:01 AM CDT up reply actions
defending him, eh? and how do you know him...?
Don’t mean to pull the Lone Ranger’s mask off, but … do tell.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 25, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
no i see he posted and was unhappy with the draft i saw it yesterday
so Carneros do you think I am he ? lol you guys are mad funny , my account here is new,but I was on with another screen name long before
this and I know you all pretty well lol
carneros is that what you do here check out every one account
to see when it was created and then jump to conclusions about who they are?if you like you can just ask me and ill tell you who I am and coach you too why all the curiosity about ED lol
undrafted FAs
for Mizzou fans, Perry got signed by 49ers, baston by broncos, and gregory by panthers
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
Post Draft Moves
No reason to get upset without seeing anyone play, but what we didnt address in the draft at RB and DT could be coming soon.
Westbrook could come in to play a couple snaps a game to keep him concussion free and still a weapon in the passing game to stop teams from sending more blitzers to pressure Bradford/Feeley.
Haynesworth is a posibility but since it didnt happen during the draft it probably wont happen now.
Denario Alexander to pull in mizzou fans to come to OTA’s and create some excitement. 6’5 recievers with good speed cant hurt eventhough im still on the Gibson train as the big target.
64%
I liked 7/11 picks. Bradford to Gilyard I’m happy with, I think all could be good to really good starters. Hooman… through Sims I could have done without, bunch of no name-under the radar-undrafted looking guys, that I wish were other picks. Then Marquis to Hull I liked, maybe overlooked because of other players on their teams but they could all be good I believe.
From a front office analysis there are some things that stood out to me. Spags thinks he can play with any LB’s so they didn’t draft any highly rated ones. He drafted nearly exclusively out of the high character bin. A couple of DE’s were drafted that I think only Spags believes in (sounds a little like Giants DLine to me). CB’s are of high value to Spags in his high pressure D, so we went high at CB.
I’m not mad about this draft but I think we did only average when given the opportunity to go much beyond.
I do not think Mardy Gilyard has below average hands
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
Josh Hull supposedly has great effort, motor
Which is perfect for a guy playing/learning behind Laurinaitis.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
And he'll contribute on
special teams – which you need your linebacker depth to do. Motor is really important there, too.
Plus he played OLB first few years then switched to MLB last season.
I like the versatility he brings. Almost like getting my 2 LB’s I wanted, lol.
dude... its our last 7th rounder
he’s not starting anytime soon… i look at this as purely a special teams move which is fine with me….
so im not sure what you’d expect
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
He had the fastest shuttle in the combine, 2nd fastest 3-cone
he’s not that slow.
But as a 7th rounder, I think he’ll do what he was drafted to do.
He also works extremely hard. He was a walk on at Penn State and ended up with a scholarship, so I personally like his chances.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 25, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
There's Bradford and not much else. Period.
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With the exception of round 1 and 2
on paper it looks like we were a team with mid to late round picks versus the first pick in each round plus additional bonus picks.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
Van should have been in our war room
because he had “twins” of a couple top players.. lol ;-)
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
some had Gilyard projected as a late 1 early 2
which would mean he was a very good value.
I think a lot of guys relied on the hype machines to tell them what to think instead of really getting to know college football (3K a notable exception to the rule).
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 25, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks promising to me.
Both tight ends definitely have the size it has to be good blockers in the NFL. With a new QB that’s a good thing, and won’t hurt Steven Jackson any either. They both also have incredible upside in the receiving area as well. Neither of them really got much of a shot in that area in college.
I’m gonna trust Spags when it comes to the defensive ends, it’s his forte and I guarantee he saw something he likes about them and thinks they are coach-able.
I like the Saffold pick. If it were up to me we’d just cut Barron. It’s not that he can’t play so much as every penalty seems to come in the most gut-wrenching time possible.
If we messed up anywhere I think it was Bradford. I think he has the talent but I’m not convinced in the least he knows how to take a hit, hopefully he learns fast. He put on a lot of muscle in the weight room with his downtime but I’d rather seen some martial arts training or something that he can apply to taking a hit. Hard for me to go over a B on this pick in a vacuum. When you consider the QB’s available in round 2, or the fact Campbell could of been had for a 4rth rounder it would be easier to mark it a C or D. That said I’ll be cheering for him as hard as anyone. It does make me feel a bit better that Holmgren had his eye on Sam.
remeber the lessons of Bradley Fletcher
everyone was skeptical and he turned out to be very good, untill he tore everything a person could tear (wipes tear from eye) Maybe devanney and spags actually know something about these guys instead of us who read a couple of sentences on nfldraftcountdown. Have a little faith and stop predicting the end of the world. There is a reason clausen fell, why we didnt pick everson griffin, or donario alexander in the 3rd, because we dont want those players.
One or two additions next year
And we could be set on the offensive side of the ball for years. We now have young O Line, QB, a few good WR’s and TE’s with potential. Add a RB through the undrafted FA’s and a #1 WR next year, and we look pretty credible when Bradford begins to really hit his stride. The Safford pick I like (size, durability and personality), and convinced me that taking Bradford was the right choice.
I was somewhat disappointed that we didn’t go more for the D. This might be because all the hype comng into the draft was how this was a deep D draft and we have a D orientated HC, so it shocked me when we went offense with 4 out of 5 high picks. It was said many times last year that had the D stayed off the field for longer then they would have been better, so now we will see if that was true or not. Spags clearly thinks there is production to come from Robbins, Diggs and Hall, and he doesn’t have a bad track record I suppose. Adding Osi would be nice, but can’t see what we have that we would be willing to give up to get him, so that appears a pipe dream IMO.
The 2 DE’s we picked up look good (Selvie looks a steal in the 7th IMO) and by the time they are fully good to start making an impact in their 3rd year, so should Bradford. That spells out a plan to me.
OLB looks weak right now, but in the next round of FA we can address that. They don’t have to be great pick ups, but guys who can hold their own under Spags will do.
We have genuine potential and apparent depth in the secondary, so should be set for a few years with only tweaking required.
IMO Fells is the starting TE. I don’t get the Hoomanawani pick, but Ogobun I like. So much upside he was worth a punt in the 6th.
If we can pick-up an addition to SJax through undrafted FA’s, such as Lonyae Miller or Keiland Williams I’ll be okay with the situation. I wouldn’t have wanted to use a draft pick on either one because of injury histories, but as FA’s I’d like to take a flyer on one or both because of the potential. A genuinely fit Westbrook would be okay too, but if we were after another experienced RB, why let Fast Willie go to the Skins?
Still, in the cold light of day, I don’t think the draft was a bad as I initially though and with the addition of two or three big name FA’s next year and the addition of a genuine #1 WR in the 2011 draft, I do genuinely think the rebuilding job has gathered momentum through this draft.
A couple of things bug me about our draft
1. Between Null last year, and most of our day 3 picks this year, for a team that has a ton of needs, we seem to be drafting a ton of pure projects who seem to have a very low chance of developing into NFL successes.
2. While we are undoubtedly getting better, other teams in our division seem to be getting better faster, notably the Niners and Seattle. If I were Steven Jackson, I would be pretty pissed because we seem to be completely wasting his prime years because there is no guarantee he will still be healthy and productive in the 2-3 years it seems the current powers that be seem to think it will take us to become a playoff contending team again.
I wish have used some of our day 3 picks to trade up to get some people with a better chance of panning out or trading for a veteran.
Most day 3
picks are projects. If you’re being picked on that day, you’re probably deficient in some way. Guys expected to be NFL ready get picked on the first day. Teams take guys that have the athletic potential to play at the next level. You can’t teach a guy to be big and strong and fast, but maybe you can teach him how to block, cover or tackle.
The Rams certainly didn't think so
Us fans who read mock drafts and watch ESPN think we left talent on the board
Steve Nash plays D!!
+1
That’s my point exactly. The Rams picked based on their own board – not Walter Football’s or Mel Kiper’s – which has influenced our opinion of the players in large part.
We read scouting reports – they employ people who write them.
+2
I think we picked players based on need & BPA for our team.
The only pick I question is Hoom’. Maybe these two TE’s will learn from Bajema and then for financial reasons we cut/trade Bajema next year?!
They seem to be better this year, but not necessarily faster.
The last time the 49ers at least a .500 record before last year was 2002. That’s a 7 year period. The last time for us was 3 years ago, and I think we will be around .500 in 2011 and at least 2012, which is a 5 or 6 year period. And the recent 3 year decline was on Zygmunt. We should be on a steady rise over the next couple of years. So that is actually faster than the 49ers. The Seahawks have been doing a pretty good job rebuilding quickly. It seems they should be .500+ this year or next. That is a 3 or 4 year period, so they are going a little faster. But since the regime change we should be on about that pace. The old regime was trying to keep building off the team that was good earlier in the century but had already reached their pick and were on the decline. We added some bad free agents (Bennett) trying to win one more time with Holt, Bruce, Bulger, Pace, and the guys from that time. Throw in the horrible drafts and that is why we had to completely start over last offseason. So if we can be in contention by 2011 or 2012 we are not really going any slower than the other teams in the division. The Cardinals seem to be on the decline now. We’ll see what happens with them.
Let's all hope Westbrook is in good shape
‘cause the Rams didn’t do SJ39 any favors with this draft. Personally, I was hoping the Rams would go after a QB, WR, DT, DE and a RB in that order. Then finish off filling other holes on the team. Wrong!
Let’s face it, none of us are general mangers or head coaches or ever NFL scouts so what we want or criticise or argue about or anything for that matter, our say doesn’t count and will not change anything. We’re just not in a position to be critical of what the Rams FO did these past 3 days since we really have no expertise in the matter. So be it you are angry with the draft or happy with the draft, take it for what it is and just hope that in the next three years it pans out to be a good draft for the Rams.
Go Rams!
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the westbrook murmurings intrigue me
one of the biggest reasons he wasn’t effective last year is because he wasn’t healthy. one of the biggest reasons he wasn’t healthy was because he sustained a severe concussion midway through the season. if the rams deem him completely healthy and he signs a contract, i think he could very effective as a backup to jackson to come in and play 8-10 plays a game. can do multiple things (just like jackson) and would be a very good addition to the team.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 25, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Weren't a lot of the people that don't like draft the same people yelling
that we need to take BPA and not draft for need? That’s what we did and now you’re complaining we didn’t fill enough needs.
No, I'm not complaining...
All I said was they (Rams FO) didn’t draft all the “player positions” or in “the order” that I would have liked for them to draft. What I was basically saying is, who are we to judge, we have no expertise to second-guess the Rams FO on this draft or any other draft.
Who knows a lot of these kids may end up being pro-bowlers.
Sorry if you got the wrong impression of what I was trying to say.
Go Rams!
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wasn't directed at you
if you read comments, i think you know who its directed to
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Carneros are you stupid or just dumb? if they took the BPA it would be fine but
after Bradford they did not do that, many high end players were on the bord that we let other teams get, so what exactly are you trying to say, if you can read you can planly see that
the name calling is unacceptable.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 25, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
no credibility follows name calling
It’s a punk move that sinks your own ship.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 25, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
First of all
If you are going to call me illiterate you should spell your words right, and second of all, just because they didn’t take your first choices doesn’t mean they didn’t take BPA. They took the players that were highest on their board. So if they took the player that was highest on their board… hmmm… what does that mean… I’m too stupid to figure it out… Oh… I believe that means that he was the best player available in their opinion, which is all that matters.
Carneros ok this is what im trying to say
the top 100 players were graded,they all have a number and I understand that in some teams board they go higher or lower but when I see that we are taking a player that has a 77 grade when five picks later a team gets a player that has a 85 grade that really sucks and when that 85 player is a WR or LB or TE or DE that we really need why take the lower graded player if you follow the BPA rule this would not happen ,This happened again and again in this draft ,that is what piss me off with Devaney
ESPN, Scout, walter football
aka not the rams draft board
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't slam the TE Fendi Onobun as a 6th round pick just yet
A pick in the 6th round is a developmental pick, this guy could real gem..
by Mean Machine II on Apr 25, 2010 3:32 PM CDT reply actions
Can't you say that
about every 6th round pick though?
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Apr 25, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I find the scheme interesting
Taking a player like Murphy shows what facet of the D they’re building first, and it is decidedly run stop. I think that’s interesting because 1, it matches the run-centric offense they employ (it’s not as “West Coast” as you would think, once you really look at it), and 2, the league has been going to the air more and more.
It’s possible they’ve just placed a higher priority on getting the run D installed first, and will enhance the pass D later, but Murphy is not an elite ball skills guy. He has a reputation as a hitter (his coach said he was the hardest hitter on their team).
Personally I think it’s not that hard for a young pure cover corner to get up to speed in the NFL, meaning they can draft one and get him to contribute quickly if they find a need for that next year. Corners are alot like the recievers they cover, from the diva attitudes to the short memeories, to the island-like mentality of thinking they can play 1:1 all day and make plays.
But I find the pick interesting because this team is very clearly being built in a blue collar, Beast Division mold.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
Marquis Johnson...
Maybe 3K knows the answer to this: was Marquis so good at nickle/slot coverage that Alabama had to play him there, or was he not good enough to beat out the other 2 corners was simply 3rd on the Tide’s depth chart?
I don’t know about this pick. I was sure the secondary needed upgrading, but I don’t see this as being an upgrade. But I will take my own advice here and not grade picks before their time.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
I wouldn't say he was "so good" at nickel coverage
that he locked down the position over anyone else, but he was certainly a good nickel corner last year. As for the other two, we’re talking about two very good CBs in Kareem Jackson and Javier Arenas, but Quis didn’t see enough field time for me to say who was “best” one way or the other. I can definitely say Jackson and Arenas did nothing to lose their spots.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Apr 25, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
thank you
Kareem Jackson and Javier Arenas are indeed pretty good
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 25, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Jackson's a better corner
but Arenas could be a legit returner
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
I'm just glad with the draft
Because nothing pissed me off. I was talking with my friend who is a Broncos fan and all he was wishing since pick 10 was that the Broncos don’t take Tim Tebow. And then they drafted up and his nightmare became a reality. As long as I didn’t have that feeling, I was happy.
traded up*
a 2,3,4 for a late 1st.. hmm.
by heinzketchup on Apr 25, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I don’t like the Tebow pick. I wouldn’t if I was a Broncos fan, at least (as a Rams fan – I don’t care who they pick). But I like that it was bold. I like that McDaniels has a vision. I like that he doesn’t roll over for his star players. He’s young and trying to earn respect. I understand that. We’ll see if that vision of his wins games. It’ll be interesting. I think it’ll be hard to duplicate that start they had last year.
what he is doing with his team is similar to Spags
They are trying to get players without baggage. They went with Demaryius instead of Dez, because he’s got attitude issues, they obviously drafted Tebow because of his good character (rather than talent maybe?), they got rid of Marshall and Cutler after they didn’t listen to their coach.
by heinzketchup on Apr 25, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
A little late to the party
You miss one afternoon and you are response number 214! Anyway – reading through a lot of the comments I am probably just reinventing the wheel with some of my thoughts but my impressions…….I graded the draft a D+ (C- depending on the curve) because I just had too many WTF moments as the draft went on.
I love the Bradford pick – I’ve been beating the QB pick drum for a while. I understand the Saffold pick – I would have traded down but I understand the thinking. Protect Sam and continue to strengthen the O Line. Murphy I can rationalize – again, I would have gone a different route (TE – I am a big Dickson fan or LB) but he wasn’t a reach, fits Spags scheme, and its not like we couldn’t use help at all levels of the Defense.
Gilyrad I like a lot – but I would not have taken him – I loved wathcing him at Cincy but don’t like him vs available alternatives (someone mentioned it already – but I can see this pick leading to cutting Amendola). After that the only pick I really liked was Fendi’s upside – but having already drafted He Who I Cannot Pronounce Yet kinda made it not make sense. I mean IF the FO feels strongly enough that Fells and Bajema are going to get you through the year so that you avoid the top rated TEs – then ok, draft the Fendi project and coach him up. But why BOTH? Doesn’t make sense.
I am going to have to put faith in the Davis pick because I just don’t know much about him but know that DE is a need. I don’t like the Johnson pick at all – it just doesn’t represent IMO a better selection then alternative DT OLB picks of need. Selvie may be good but he hasn’t been the last couple of years – who knows anything about SIms?
Really wanted to come out of the draft with at least 1 ready to start LB and/or DT/DE in addition to a back up RB. Now obviously – I am a fan and I hope all these guys end up being studs but……initial reaction is that we missed the boat on some talent at IMO are glaring areas of need.
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