How to stink up a draft by Devaney and Spagnuola
by RamChop on Apr 24, 2010 5:11 PM CDT
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Ok. Since you guys acquired us the likes of Kyle Boller, AJ Feeley, and Keith Null, we had to have a QB. I'll spot you the Bradford pick even though it looks like now we could've had McCoy or Clausen AND used the 1st pick for Suh. But after round 1, I wondered what you guys were smoking, cause it wasn't good stuff. A good OT and CB are always nice things to have, but... NOT WHEN YOU HAVE NO FREAKIN' DEFENSIVE LINE AND ARE SHORT TWO LB's. How are you two geniuses planning to prevent opposing RB's from killing us with 30-40 yard runs and QB's from having way too much time in the pocket to find open receivers all season long? We gave up nearly 500 points last year on defense. And what did you clowns do to address that little problem? You wait till the latest rounds to pick a D-Lineman and an OLB. That's sure as heck not much help for Lauranaitis and Long. And now you expect these guys, some late draft picks, and your worn out free agency players from the NYG's and Eagles to provide us even a below-average defense?? And what about Jackson. The poor guy constantly had the sh*t beat out of him last year. He probably aged 3 years in one season. But you don't even make an effort to get him a competent backup. I got news for ya, Darby and Obog ain't got it. Just trade Jax so his talent won't always be wasted with a perennial loser team and idiot coaches.
A few weeks ago I wrote a post about how I didn't think the Rams would be THAT bad this season. But that was before you guys F-upped the draft AND free agency. Maybe Scott Linehan can use an assistant at Detroit after you're fired Spags. At least his team does have Stafford and Suh. So don't expect to beat the Lions this year.
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2 things
First off Spags made a name for himself by turning average defensive players into pro bowlers. So we might want to see how that goes.
Second, of all the players we drafted this year, how many have played a single down in the NFL?? Pretty hard to criticize a draft without knowing the actual result.
But how often does lightening strike twice?
Spags can’t keep turning average defensive players in Pro bowl possibles, can he?
I hear that argument frequently on this site...
But I never see any names associated with the claim. Who specifically did Spags turn from average to Pro-Bowl?
Thanks...
But we’re basing all of this player development turnaround ability on one player?
You asked.
and now you’re not satisfied with the answer?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
My dissatisfaction...
is based not necessarily on the answer but on the fact that many contributors to this blog are basing very strong-willed opinions about Spags’ coaching ability on evidence that is sketchy at best. So far, we have a one player sample whose ascension to Pro Bowler may have been completely coincidental to Spags’ coaching.
We're not settled on the roster yet
We can still find a back up RB who fell out of the draft. I don’t want Westbrook, but if we are considering him you have to wonder why we let Willie Parker get away?
Depending on the price, I would now go for Osi from the Giants; I wouldn’t have before the draft but we need something opposite Long. Long and Laurinaits must be looking at the draft and wondering why they didn’t get as much help as they could have. I like the look of Selvie, and Davis should come good eventually under Spags.
We might be able to aquire a DT and an OLB through the next FA.
All is not lost yet. I too would have rather seen a few different selections. But come on man, we’ve got what we’ve got, and even if we only had the first two rounds, we would still be a better team this year.
cant be ed
The post would have 3 paragraphs with how horrible Barron and Bell are.
by keeperskillz24 on Apr 24, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think I said there were any errors in your post, but since you asked...
Just about the whole thing. This will take at least one more year to turn around. This year we built up some strengths. Our secondary is now a strength and it is deep and young. We should now be set at QB for a while. Our O-line is deep and solid and young as well. We added a valuable receiver to the mix. He may be the same build as some of the other guys we have, but he is also probably better than some of them, like Burton, Amendola, maybe Foster, and possibly Gibson. I think he will have a lot of receptions this year and be a key player. We added two TEs in the late rounds. One to mainly protect Bradford, although he can be effective in the short passing game, and the other is a low risk, high reward prospect with off the chart measurables and a ton of potential. The first 4 rounds were all upgrades. In round 5 we took a DE that can contribute this year and could develop into a valuable player in the near future under Spags’ coaching. George Selvie is probably in the same category with Hall Davis. I didn’t like the other two picks, Sims and Johnson, but they see something in them. Sims could be an OLB possibly or stay a DE. So Spags has 3 chances to make a solid DE out of some late rounders and my bet is he is successful at least once. And the last pick of the draft adds young depth at an already strong position. So now we have secondary, QB, O-line as strengths. So next year we need a backup RB which could be had in the middle of the draft probably, a DT, OLB (s), a #1 WR, possibly a DE (depending on how the current DEs do) and possibly a TE. We can fill 2-4 of those needs in free agency. So we can sign a good young DT and OLB, and perhaps an established TE. That fills 3 big needs. In the draft we take a #1 Receiver round 1, an OLB round 2, a DE, round 3, and a speed RB round 4. That fills a lot of our needs and we have some depth all over the field. So this is why this draft was perfectly acceptable, and why we are still headed in the right direction.
For future reference: Don’t ask.
I don't think I have to ask you for anything.
It’s clear that you’re one of those types that will always be saying “next year.” And then, “year after that” and so on. Personally, I don’t think Jackson can’t last through another season of being abused without suffering some permanent damage or at least aging before his time. He’ll be ready to retire just about the time you’re hoping the team will be getting good. And how long do you think JL will last having to make virtually all the LB tackles? What if Long gets injured? Then we have no front four. I ain’t buying this wait and hope for the best crap. Lookit the 49ers and Hawks drafts. Despite picking 1st in every round, how much did we gain on them?
We completely started over last year
That’s why I’m saying we have to wait until next year. We are in an all-out rebuild phase. What am I supposed to say, that we’re going to be in the playoffs this year? And if “you ain’t buying this wait and hope for the best crap,” what else are you going to do? There is nothing else to do but wait and hope for the best. You can’t do anything about it. I’m not sure what you’re saying.
But we lost ground
versus the Niners and Hawks in this drarft. I think the Niners win the division this year, and the Hawks are on the way back up. Where are we? Looking good for first pick in the draft again next year.
All I heard last year
was how much Seattle, San Fran, and Arizona grew by leaps and bounds over the Rams from the draft. Instead, all teams were worse. So, spare the whole “we lost ground” b.s.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
The Niners added two studs
to the offensive line at the top of the draft, and they added two RBs I would love to see backing up Jackson for the Rams. Crabtree now has some experience and will have a full camp to get it together, so he will be far better at WR than anything we have.
What did we do that even comes close to that? We added an OT who may not start this year, we didn’t add any RBs, we have all #2 and #3 WRs, we added some TEs who won’t catch many balls, we didn’t add any LBs or DTs to stop the run or push the pocket. Aside from adding an outstanding QB who may really contribute in a year or two, how did we improve our team that comes anywhere near what the Niners did?
Unless I missed something?
The Cards (10-6), Niners (8-8) and Hawks (5-11) all finished 1 game up on their 2008 records. The Rams finished 1 game down from 2-12 to 1-15.
Did they play the same teams?
No. Did the Cardinals make it to the SuperBowl? No.
Plus, Arizona lost Warner, Dansby and Boldin. While they addressed WR and DT in the draft, they’re going with a combo of Matt Leinart and Derek Anderson at QB.
The 49ers did nothing (unless you love David Carr) to upgrade their QB position which has been the Achilles heel of their offense.
Ok. Seattle looks to have improved. But, they supposedly improved their team greatly last year too but only won 5 games. Time will tell.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
we added two te's
that can catch… hoomanawanui was coached under zook and had juice williams as his quarterback. it HAS to be his fault that he didn’t get many catches when he was recruited to be a legitimate pass catching threat, right? and as for the guy from houston, he’s supposed to have an extremely high ceiling of potential in pass catching. like gonzalez and gates, he was a basketball player, i like the sound of that. next years wide receiver draft will be greater than any other in recent memory. julio jones, michael floyd, jonathan baldwin and a.j. green will all probably be going pro along with other players like ronald johnson. why waste a low pick on a go-to receiver when you can grab a potentially ELITE receiver next year.
I won't spare anything, we're not all wrong
This draft was blown completely. Anyone who wants us to wait and let these picks have 3 years is sticking their heads inn the sand. It’s over now for Devaney. It’s just a matter of time. You can’t leave that much talent on the board and expect to get away with it. Eventually, an owner will emerge, and hopefully it will be someone who will hold Devaney accountable for these decisions.
I’ve been trying to turn over a new leaf and display a little patience with my team but the problems are not on the field right now. I don’t claim to know more than most scouts, but I’m not completely blind. Some of these guys may pan out. I too am OK with Bradford, though it wasn’t the right choice, I understand it. Saffold, maybe, but no trades. Thats just BS. We all know it this year. I thought it was BS last year, but everyone knows it should’ve happened this year.
I don’t think I could have made 1 or 2 better choices, I think I could have made 7 or 8 better choices. I know I’ll never be able to prove it but come on. You can’t defend this draft if all you can say is that they haven’t failed yet. Too many of us are upset about this for the rest of us to just categorize us as uneducated armchair GMs. I’m pissed off because I care, not because I like bitching. I love the Rams and defend them to my death and I’m tired of not having an explanation for some of this crap.
i highly doubt
that any of watched some of these kids in college so who’s to say that they aren’t as talented as players we passed on like griffen or dennis pitta? they might even have more pro potential.
if it isn't the same guy, they know each other
I know this for a fact, it’s not an opinion
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 25, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
r u
Only five players have averaged 25 and 10 in their playoff careers. One of them, Dirk Nowitzki.
by Blair Rocket on Apr 24, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, at least we can say one thing after the draft,
we’ll be drafting first in every round again next year.
Only one team was worse at stopping the run than the Rams and that was Tampa Bay. So what did they do, they drafted Gerald McCoy and Brian Price to play the two defensive tackle positions. Problem solved. What did we do? Drafted a back-up for our MLB.
I won’t dispute that we drafted a few good players, but they aren’t at the positions where we really need help (except for Bradford). Some on here said they should draft the BPA with each pick and they claim that’s what they did until it got down toward the end. Maybe we should be careful what we wish for. We now have something like 8 CBs and only 4 DTs, with none of them impact players.
by andyrose on Apr 24, 2010 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i’m not saying we’ll stop the run way better than last year but you forgot that we signed Diggs and Robbins
this isn't going to be fixed immediately
we weren’t bad because of poor coaching or front offices, we were bad because we had to cut many players and instantly became the least talented team in the league. Linehan really set us back, and we are building a relatively young team that will take a while to develop.
Keith Null won't accept my friend requests.
So you would rather have us take a d-lineman in the 2nd,
instead of taking an o-lineman to help out with rookie Sam Bradford and Steven “always in beast mode” Jackson?
Only five players have averaged 25 and 10 in their playoff careers. One of them, Dirk Nowitzki.
Dude you're being pretty unfair to the entire draft class.
I’ve got my reservations about some of the picks, but at the end of the day, I only looked at tape for first rounders and ’SC players anyway. We have no clue how this will pan out so a little faith might be nice.
Chill out man. This is coming from someone entrenched in first class of the Suh Train that desperately wanted us to pick up Everson Griffen in R.4. They haven’t even played yet son!
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
+1
Only five players have averaged 25 and 10 in their playoff careers. One of them, Dirk Nowitzki.
by Blair Rocket on Apr 25, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
The fact is ... we drafted a no-name TE with no upside when we desperately needed OLB's and DT's that were still available.
Our DE’s were better than our DT’s and would get even better with strong DT play.
The FO really botched this from round 4 on.
Think about this … even if Gilyard starts ahead of say … Gibson … is he THAT MUCH of an upgrade to justify not addressing a bigger need?
I’m not so sure this fall on Spags. This is Devaney. He let the media make our first round pick then mortgaged the rest of the draft in a half-assed effort to help his fragile QB succeed (read: save his job).
HOWEVER, I love the Saffold pick. That was absolutely the right pick there. He shouldn’t have fallen that far.
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.
I thought you were done.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. “we drafted a no-name TE with no upside.” I don’t know which TE you’re talking about. But first of all Hoomanuwanui definitely has a name so you can’t say he’s a no name. And he does have upside. Just because you wanted a different pick doesn’t mean anyone else we pick has no upside. And if your talking about Onubon, two things. First of all, how many big name players are there in the 6th round, and when you say he has no upside you could not be more wrong. He has nothing but upside. Things didn’t go exactly how you planned, so it must be an awful draft. We cut down needs and built depth this year. You can’t argue that we cut down the number of needs and added depth. So let me think… hmm… If we cut down the number of needs and add depth to the team this year and we do it again next year, then… Oh that’s right, we will fill all our needs and have depth. This is how you build a team. You can’t fix all our problems in one year. You and people like you are getting old. You think a 1-15 team can be turned around over night and everything you think is the right decision. Well, you haven’t done any scouting or interviews and you have no inside information. So I’m gonna say they can make better decisions than you. Everytime you people say stupid things like this I end up having to write a one page paper. Wait until 2011. I guarantee you we will be within 2-3 games of the playoffs if not in them. You can hold me to that. See you in 2011.
You have me mistaken for someone else. I KNOW we can't fix it all in one draft.
Tell me the 4th round WR and the 5th round TE was smarter than one of the OLB’s still on the board.
I was actually ok when we were at Bradford, Saffold and Murphy after day 2. Not who I wanted, but at least it addressed needs without reaching.
The WR and first TE instead of OLB’s and DT’s was what really irked me.
… and if I’m so wrong, why do you bother putting so much effort into responding?
I wish I was ignorant enough to ‘like’ the picks today. Ignorance is bliss.
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.
I wasn't completely satisfied with all the picks today either
I didn’t want the first TE but I understood it was to help to protect Bradford. I didn’t want Gilyard but I understood it was to help Bradford. I don’t like the Sims pick at all, that one makes me mad. I didn’t like the second CB either. Gilyard IMO but he is a good player and won’t hurt the team. Things didn’t go how I wanted them either, but they weren’t terrible picks, and its what we have to learn to live with because they were the picks. I think you should wait a little bit before saying these picks were terrible. Gilyard could be the next Roddy White. Hoomanwanui will probably be about the same as Manamaleuna. As long as they can fill the needs by next year, which I think they can, I’m okay with these picks. And I enjoy debating football, that is why I’m on this website and that is why I take the effort to respond. I wasn’t happy with the Hooman pick at the time, then I warmed up to it because it would protect Bradford, but then I didn’t like it again after we drafted the second TE. There is no way we should have drafted 2 TEs before 1 OLB.
I have to admit
I’ve questioned almost every pick in the draft aside from Bradford and Saffold. I like Saffold from the beginning. All the other one’s made me scratch my head and then I warmed up to them because I knew they would be guys that needed to help our team. I’m not ready to question the FO this early into the rebuild. Next year if things like this keep happening I will probably have a similar reaction to what some are having this year.
by Carneros on Apr 24, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with most of what you have to say Carneros
but Gilyard will be great, he automatically will make our KR and PR better and will come in as a top 3 WR from day one and will probably be #1 or #2 by the start of the season. He adds another dimension to our offense. He was a steal in round 4 and fits the west coast offense perfectly, anyone who says otherwise needs to go watch some tape. He is dynamic with the ball in his hands and can leap over just about anybody, yea he could use some work with routes and some other stuff, but every player who comes into the league has to improve somewhere.
I said somewhere that he will probably be our leading receiver this year
But I’ve always been in support of a WR next year in round 1 and that it can be one of those needs that can wait until next year. I guess we thought he was too good of a value to pass up. I felt we should have gone TE or front 7, but I’m not going to get to upset over having a great target for Bradford. So the only reason I questioned it at first was on principle and my philosophy on our WR need. I still believe he can be a solid contributor. He just wasn’t my first choice.
I would think a good TE
like Dickson would also have been a good target for Bradford. I think he would have been a better value than Gilyard considering what the Rams have and don’t have at the positions.
"Tell me the 4th round WR and the 5th round TE was smarter than one of the OLB’s still on the board."
Are you really going to complain about guys being taken in the FOURTH and FIFTH round?
Only five players have averaged 25 and 10 in their playoff careers. One of them, Dirk Nowitzki.
by Blair Rocket on Apr 25, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
i completely agree on the 5th round pick
i hated it even more than originally (which is really saying something) after doing research on the guy…. he has no upside and we’ll be lucky if he ever hits triple digits in receiving yards
FWIW, I am not that down on this draft as most (i.e. andyrose, ramchop)
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't afford depth when you don't even have enough starters yet
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.
And you can't add starters in the later rounds
So all you can do is add depth.
by Carneros on Apr 24, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don’t reach for guys fans “think” are starters, that is how you f up a draft. The guys you wanted weren’t high on the Rams draft board so they didn’t take them. Get over it. Gilyard was rated as one of their top 5 receivers over Hernandez and Dickson, get over it. Give guys a chance before you make yourself look like an ass by saying how stupid a draft pick was, my f’ing god.
I think everyone
is forgetting that our defense was so bad last year because our offense couldn’t stay on the field for more than 3 plays, if we could’ve given the D some breaks every now and again we would’ve done much better.
One of the things that really irked me
was that we didn’t ever trade up to grab someone. We could have had Ed Dickson to play TE if we had gone after him, but we just sat there hording picks so we could pick Sims and Hoomanuwanui. We could have gotten a good OLB, but we wanted a second TE and a bunch of nothing DEs, so we just sat still and didn’t go after them. Would you have rather had Dickson and one of the good OLBs or the accumulation of not much we got in the later rounds?
I was more irked by the lack of trade downs.
We could have traded won in just about every round and added probably at least 3 more picks by round 5, but we failed to add any other than the one late 6th round pick, which we wasted on someone who could have been undrafted, yet again from West Texas A&M.
I think almost all the picks in the late rounds were garbage picks.
We’ve said many times on here you don’t win by having lots of average players, you win by having a core of really elite players. If we had traded up a couple of times, we could have had them. Trading down would just have given us more average guys.
by andyrose on Apr 24, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
trading up..
requires a trading up partner..no? How do you know a team would have been willing to take a bunch of lower round picks for their coveted high ones? Think about stuff like that ebfore you post. We picked a lot of guys that have great upside, that’s what your doing in the later rounds, trying to find that diamond in the rough, a guy that low will always have problems or else he wouldn’t be that low. We grabbed plenty of depth and upside in this draft.
This isn't about later rounds. It is about the mid rounds. A diamond in the rough isn't going to help a 1-15 team.
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.
by Midasknight on Apr 24, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes it would
A diamond in the rough would help any team. And many teams are centered around them. Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Antonio Gates, Marques Colston, and Donald Driver just to name a few off the top of my head.
out of curiosity
who are these really elite guys we could have traded our “garbage” picks for?
Next year, the Turfie known as the "edpjr memorial award" will instead be named after RamChop
1 guess why.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
+1
Only five players have averaged 25 and 10 in their playoff careers. One of them, Dirk Nowitzki.
by Blair Rocket on Apr 25, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't besmirch my award. Here's my own thoughts on the draft from another post...
Grade F because there’s nothing lower. I’m so pissed about this draft that I can’t see straight. Not only do the A-holes in the FO keep detrimental players like Barron, but they added all useless players except Bradford. Not an impact player anywhere but with the 1st pick. Turned a blind eye to our non-existent D-Line problems (Chrissy Long included). Crapped on best defender James Lauranaitis. He’s still got to do the job of 3 LB’s. Told SJax to suck it up and do it on his own with no backup. What a bunch of idiots we have in Devaney, Spags, Shurmur, et.al !! Coughlin must be the real genius of the NYG’s. Cause they didn’t win a SB due to Spagnuola type convoluted thinking. Hey, maybe the OT with the 2nd pick is to cover for picking soft-head Jason Smith last year when Mark Sanchez was available? Quick Spags, maybe you can still trade and get Adam Carriker back. Or maybe you can re-sign Marc Bulger to help teach Bradford how to be a star loser. Oh wait, you already got Feeley and Null to do that. Better yet, have Alex Barron instill some "team spirit" in the boy. The Rams have been cursed since we dumped Kurt Warner. And damn if it don’t look like we deserve it.
Yeah,
let’s draft a qb and not give him a better o line.
Only five players have averaged 25 and 10 in their playoff careers. One of them, Dirk Nowitzki.
by Blair Rocket on Apr 25, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate it when the “sunshine blowers” come out and say “What do we know?” maybe we will gain 11 starters out of this draft! Gimme a break, we had serious needs and not so serious needs. We addressed one serious need (QB) and then didn’t touch the rest of them. We obviously needed a WLB badly, a true number one WR prospect and a good TE more than anything else. Devaney comes out and says we will be trading the 33rd and once again fails to do anything with it. He did have offers and I am sure we still could have gotten a good tackle if that’s what he had a hardon for. It really tops it off when trades are made all over the place and we just sit back and watch proven players go to other teams so we can pick up Hoomanuwanui . Especially when 2 would have helped us a ton (White and Washington). Like I said before, I hope you like a coaching change every 3 years. That draft was bull.
by Everett 11 on Apr 24, 2010 11:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I disagree with one thing there
a true number one WR
ok well, we weren’t getting that in this draft so i’m not sure its relevant
i agree with trading down from second, i was irritated that we didn’t and instead got saffold… look, i know we WILL need an OT, but we don’t currently need an OT… and he may have been available later
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 25, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I've come to accept
the fact that this front office is never going to make a trade for a big name player. They’re just not going to do it. Being agressive isn’t their style and to be hnoest they’re too scared to make any type of splash. So the only thing we can do is sit back and watch them stick to the plan of rebuilding through the draft like they said they were going to do. Good part is that we could have an amazing team in 3 years. Bat part is that if these picks don’t pan out we end up satying the doormat of the NFL for many years to come. It’s just really odd that in this day and age of coaches getting 3 year windows,at most, to show improvement and start winning that the front office or Spags wouldn’t push more to get some solid veterans on the team to help improve the team immediately. I’m not saying throw money to everywhere and everyone but use the money wisely to get some guys to provide a much needed upgrade to vital positions on both sides of the ball. I just find it hard for a 1-15 team to pretty much ignore free agents to focus on the draft. There were a lot of moves to make and we’ll never know the offers that came our way, but I guess we have to have a little faith that nothing good enough was offered. Probably not true but we’ll never know. So when September rolls around we’ll see if these guys can help improve the team and if they don’t we all know where to place the blame
by Dub3g on Apr 24, 2010 11:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I doubt we'll even see that in September
You know rookies don’t do much. Most of the best players in the league took a year or two before they did anything, and looked like weak 2nd stringers in their rookie year, and I bet that’s what we’ll see from almost all of these guys except Bradford.
Without seeing them in practice everyday, we’ll have little to no idea what we have except for the occasssional “flashes potential” description that comes with every rookie hopeful.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 25, 2010 2:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Every year is about ifs and buts
No one here has any idea how good or bad things will turn out. There is no such thing as a sure thing only an educated guess. I’ve not come out of this draft massively excited about the talent we’ve selected but i’m impartial enough to accept the logic behind most of the picks. Do i LOVE any of the picks….no. Do i LIKE some of the picks….absolutely and maybe in time i will love them. I just really don’t see the point in declaring any of the picks as complete failures before we even see them playing in horns.
Regardless of what happens the world isn’t coming to an end. If we suck badly next year those that have declared the draft a failure will get to tell everyone how great you all are, If we show significant improvement you will all be eating humble pie. As for me i’d much rather take a cool headed view of everything than a knee jerk reaction right now. That said one thing this site does show is that on both sides of this debate there is some awesome passion for the Rams!
Don't claim to be impartial
and then categorize one side as cool-headed, and the other side as knee-jerk. I’m pissed off at the picks we made and I am pissed off because I want to see us be successful. I don’t think we are going to be successful if we don’t draft playmakers. We got Bradford and Gilyard. We left playmakers on the board at every other pick. I’m no scout but I’ve dedicated some of my time to checking out different players and their scouting reports. I did some of this crap in the middle of the night. I did it because I enjoy it, and will continue to do it.
I don’t feel obligated to give this FO any more patience. If this draft works out, I’ll gladly admit my errors, some of them will. Most of them won’t, and it didn’t have to be this way.
by dbcouver on Apr 25, 2010 4:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hear you and agree 100%.
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.
I never said i was impartial when it came to peoples reactions
I said i was impartial enough to not over react to a draft where enough of the picks had an amount of logic behind them. Neither did i say one side was cool headed and the other side was knee jerk merely that i would rather take an level headed view of the draft when i’ve seen some of them play for us. My personal opinion actually agrees with you that i would like to have seen more playmakers (or at least more likely playmakers) but i really don’t see the point in declaring the draft a failure now before it proves itself to be one or not. By all means be disappointed but i feel some people on here go way over the top with their assesments of the team.
by Stonedtodeath on Apr 25, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Your forgetting one thing
It is easier to declare yourself disappointed and then hopefully proved wrong, than it is to be declare your happy with the picks and then later find yourself disappointed.
Being in the ‘not happy’ camp provides a win win situation, even if it doesn’t give you much moral high ground.
after thinking about the draft for a bit
i still think the rams botched the majority of it. i don’t like bradford, but see the necessity of the pick. the only problem is that he will not be ready to start next season. aj feely? after seeing the raiders give up a 2012 4th rd pick for jason campbell, i still do not understand why the rams did not pursue campbell. he could have offered stability while bradford eased his way into the nfl. and saffold? i think he will be a fine player, but it was not a position of true “need”. i do not know what the trade down offers were for the 2nd rd pick, but i think maybe they could have filled a few more needs in the top half of the draft if they had traded down. i still wish they had drafted either bryan price or daryl washington with that pick. in additon, looking at the 3rd and 4th rd picks—remember those were the picks surrendered by the ravens for boldin—i would rather have a player like boldin than murphey and gilyard. perhaps that is just me. because the rams didn’t do that, i think taking a LB like donald butler from washington in rd 3 and then an impact TE like aaron hernandez with the 4th rd pick would have served the team better. murphey projects as a nickel/dime CB and gilyard will never be anything more than a #2/slot receiver. the picks made by the rams do not seem to be in the interest of making the team better anytime in the near, or even far, future.
by mcihaelT on Apr 25, 2010 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
and....
fendi onobun was projected to be undrafted! he has 2 career receptions! the rams could have taken myron rolle in the 6th rd and had a player who, if nothing else, would provide GREAT character and be someone who young and old players alike could look up to as well as a productive member of the community!
In 5 years let's revisit this post to see who was right and wrong.
Only five players have averaged 25 and 10 in their playoff careers. One of them, Dirk Nowitzki.
move to san francisco...
bitching for no reason when these players haven’t even practiced with the team yet. unless you know for sure that our draft picks are going to suck their whole career, stop bitching. thanks to zygmunt and linehan, we had to START OVER COMPLETELY! as for the lions, they didn’t do much to help their rookie quarterback who, by the way, had a season ending injury. i don’t think they’ll be much better either until they can protect stafford. all of his pointless yards turning into picks because he was getting pressured non-stop. we are off in the right direction and they will come to their senses and get someone like jonathan baldwin or julio jones next year after they realize that bradford WILL need a go-to guy. it won’t kill us to wait one year for that, not like having one would make us much better right now anyway. next year’s crop of receivers will be beyond great.
what an appropriate user name
It reflects my opinion of people who want to “wait till next year” or the year after. Why, so we can get screwed in FA and the draft again? Why don’t you take a hike to San Fran?
stop bitching
might have to be the board’s new motto after this weekend
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 25, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
What are you - the Editor and Preacher now for TST?
It would appear this POST caught some attention. Tough if you don’t like it.
I wasn't talking to you
Keep your random put down downs and derogatory comments to yourself
Stop bitching.
by CoachConnors on Apr 26, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Check it out
Running around making derogatory statements to people adds nothing of value to the board. That’s not what it’s about.
If you want to talk Rams, football, athletics…fine. If you want to make rude and derogtary comments to people, it has no redeeming value and is not welcome.
Stop bitching.
by CoachConnors on Apr 26, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Coach, why do you think people for the most part are unhappy about this year’s draft?
It was the deepest draft in years and we did not draft well after Bradford. Like someone was saying, it’s easy to say wait until next year or give these guys time. After this off season Spags and Devaney don’t have a lot of time. If we don’t show improvement this year and major improvement next year, they will most likely be done. That will be four years and as far as coaching stint averages; 4 years would be a long stint without making the playoffs or knocking on the door. If you don’t believe me, look at all of the coaches out there that have been fired in 3 let alone 4 years. Show me where someone fielded a team that wasn’t competitive and held on to their jobs for that long.
This draft did not make sense. For god sakes the Raiders and SeaChickens drafted much better! Optimism is great but, at some point you have to say; it was a crappy draft and experts (former scouts, analysts and coaches and yes fans) are giving us B’s and C’s (more C’s) on our efforts. A few that I read had the Bradford pick as an A but the rest of our draft as a C to C-. If we are building through the draft only, we are not off to a wonderful start. No solid free agents or trades and two maybe three new starters a year through the draft will not get it done or keep anyone’s job. If you would like to see a proven way to do things, look at the Patriots (trades in the draft, free agents and solid scouting), Detroit’s new regime (Free agents trades and an A rated draft) Cleveland has also been very active and had a good draft. The Patriots, team of the decade, Detroit and Cleveland on the up and up. This is just my take on things and was written without the expressed written consent of the NFL, Stl Rams or Ya Mudda! Go Rams!
No. But I'm ok with that because
1) I think people for the most part don’t know nearly as much about the college players as the NFL guys do, and shouldn’t be running the franchise and
2) draft picks will almost always be graded differently 5 years after the fact
Now number 2 isn’t just my opinion, it’s just a fact. So while we can say we would rather have had it go differently (me included), that doesn’t mean its time to say it went badly.
I think people get caught up in the media hype, and just because they aren’t as familair with some of the names called, they feel like it was a bad draft. Look at Everson Griffen, who lots of fans wanted and who the media made famous, and who NFL teams avoided for literally days. How many people on here would’ve drafted him way before they had to if they had the chance? Looking at it 1 day later, we see it would have been just a foolish waste to overpay a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him…..but these are the same people in general who are still upset at what the FO did do. Why are people not praising the FO for avoiding him in rounds 1-4 like the rest of the NFL?
It seems that some folks are habitual complainers and malcontents (I am not directing this at you, but we all know there are some people that are never happy no matter what happens) and they seem to think posting in quantity, and changing the subject often enough that you can’t pin them down to reason, somehow makes them right.
So where are the guys that complained, but then got what they wanted? Why are they not here praising the picks? Some of the arguments that were made and now abandoned in favor of other complaints:
Can’t draft a QB and not protect him. (drafted an OT)
Can’t draft a QB if he doesn’t have someone to throw to (drafted 3 WR/TE’s)
We need to pressure the passer (drafted a couple of DE’s, at least one fo which is a pass rushing specialist)
D-Line needs help (see above)
They shold draft BPA, period (most if not all were good value picks, even if you haven’t heard their names before)
Are the guys that made the above arguments now admitting they got what they asked for?
Just because fans aren’t as familiar with the names doesn’t mean they are low value. In a lot of cases they guy picked was projected higher in his position, which makes it a good value. But where are the “BPA” proponents today?
I’m seriously disappointed they didn’t get a more polished receving TE. I wanted the BYU guy Pitta, straight up. But they did get a guy they think can be that guy and he has some aspects of his game that are superior to Pitta. So ok, I can admit they were thinking along the same lines as I was.
I complained about the secondary being weak in the season. That wasn’t a very popular opinion, but they drafted a CB who likes to try to knock people out. OK, I didn’t get exactly what I wanted but they were thinking along the same lines as I was.
DE. Lots of guys wanted one, we got 2. Just not the exact ones they wanted, so now it’s fail? Wait a sec….way too early for that judgement.
Main point – looking at it rationally I understand these guys will turn out in real life to be different than their draft projections. Until then I can’t say they did badly.
Maybe on day I will.
Stop bitching.
by CoachConnors on Apr 26, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I am a huge fan of BPA but that is not what we did.
We got a #2 or slot WR imo. 2 TE’s one who caught 2 passes in his entire career, so he is not a receiving TE at all and the other is a developmental TE with some upside according to scouting reports. Ok so we took a player we could have done without in the 2nd (Saffold) when Kindle-DE, Cody-DL and Washington, Bowman and Spikes-LB were still on the board in the second round. In the 3rd we took Jerome Murphy when Arenas and Spievey were still on the board (if we wanted a CB) not to mention Jimmy Graham and Dennis Pitta. We took Gilliard in the third with Everson Griffen, Aaron Hernandez, Mike Williams and Corey Wooten were still there. Last but not least we took Hoomanawanui which may not be a bad choice if they want to convert him to guard or tackle. In taking him we passed up Ricky Sapp, Jonathin Dwyer and Dorin Dickerson.
These are just a few examples of bigger needs and talent being passed up. I understand your analogy of Stafford being punished all year but, that brings up the fact that Campbell should have been our starter next year and not Bradford. Nothing keeps a QB safer than him being on the sidelines with a clipboard, learning the NFL. Instead we will have the joke known as AJ Feeley starting for us who is a downgrade from Boller and Bulger. Who knows maybe we will throw Bradford into the water like Stafford minus Calvin and Pettigrew. Haha! That should be no fun to watch.
I'm sure Devaney would say they did actually do BPA. Some will blindly believe, but others will blindly disbelieve.
and since way, way too many guys play differently than their draft spot, history shows the wise thing to do is withholding judgement until we have some evidence either way
Stop bitching.
by CoachConnors on Apr 26, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
My initial reaction to Saffold was "WTF"
Looking at it now without emotion, I’m thinking it makes sense after taking Bradford .
Look at Detroit and their #1 overall Stafford. How many times can a franchise end a season like that with their number 1 getting surgery?
I think Devaney and co. probably looked at that and decided not to make that mistake. The offers they got for #33, and we know they got offers, would have dropped them to a point where they felt they couldn’t get a guy who could be good enough to protect Bradford.
Remember how it takes a couple of years for rookies to play to their potenital? If they drafted Bradford and allowed the OT position to decay, poeple would be calling for their heads because it’s so damn obvious you have to protect your franchise QB. (Hoomanawanui also goes towards this goal)
This was not my dream draft, but every fruit is sour before it ripens. I’m letting it ripen before judging the taste.
Stop bitching.
by CoachConnors on Apr 26, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Confirmed - why they didn't trade #33 (after taking Bradford, OT was a priority)
Why didn’t they trade the 33 is something a lot of guys wondered. I thought it was probably because the offers they got would have dropped them so far down they would not have been able to get an OT they felt was good enough to protect Bradford.
“We would have had to move significantly back in the second round,” general manager Billy Devaney said, “and what we were going to get we didn’t think it was worth passing up a lineman that we deemed had this much talent.”
Stop bitching.
by CoachConnors on Apr 27, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Honestly
It is really hard to be a rams fan right now. I am not happy at all. The only pick I liked was Gilliard because of his versatility and playmaking ability. Not to mention we got him with a late round pick. We just simply, in my mind didn’t get any playmakers on either side of the ball.(besides Gilliard) I was saying that we should take Suh in the first round and McCoy in the second since the season ended last year. It turns out that we could have even had Clausen in the second instead of McCoy or picked someone else in the second and still got McCoy in the third. I understand that Safford is a good player, but how much better is he than the guys we already have at that position? Plus, we just picked an OT last year with our top pick. Good player, just didn’t make much sense to me as far as getting impact with the picks at positions of need. Our front seven, IMO needs more help than our secondary. Yet, we picked another CB in the third round. Don’t we already have six of them? If the front seven played better, the secondary wouldn’t have looked so bad. I’m pretty sure we screwed this up from the very beginning by picking Bradford instead of Suh. He is the type of player that makes not only the defense better, but the whole team. I liked that we picked a lot of offense. But IMO the two biggest needs on the defensive side of the ball were not addressed. Those being DT and OLB. If we picked Suh insted of Bradford then Clasen in the second, which I was surprised and mad as hell that he dropped that far because we could have picked him. Mel Kiper even had him rated higher than Bradford. We could have addressed our need at OLB in the third with SOMEONE better than what we have to help JL. Possibly in the forth we could have gotten a starting tight end unless there wasn’t one that was better that Fells. After that, all our picks would just be depth guys anyway so I can’t be too upset with the picks we made in rounds 5-7 but they still didn’t make much sense.
by illchild on Apr 25, 2010 11:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Really?
You got facts to back that up.
Only four players have averaged 25 and 10 in their playoff careers. One of them, Dirk Nowitzki.
by Blair Rocket on Apr 26, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
After waiting for so long
it’s almost impossible for anyone to tell me that we need to wait a couple more years to be good. And if that satement was a fact I would try my best to stomach it and go on but the bottom line is that we have to wait a couple years to see if any of these guys are even any good. If for some reason Bradfords a bust and our WR do nothing but get worse over time and our O Line can’t stay healthy for any period of time not only are we not good we are going to be set back another 5 years. Now I really really hope that’s not the case but the point is that it can happen. At least with FA’s there is some NFL playing time involved to base your judgement on. With draft picks you can only hope for the best. This is why it’s almost impossible to rebuild a 1-15 team through the draft. We should’ve gotten Alex Brown to help out the D line and how nice would it be to have Anquon Boldin as a #1 WR. Now I know he’s old but getting Lito Sheppard would’ve upgraded our CB and Sheffler would’ve been great at TE for Bradford to throw to. Just picking up those 4 guys could’ve made a huge improvement but we passed and now have what we have. Which BTW isn’t much to smile at. You don’t have to grab all the elite $100 million dollar free agents to make a difference. All it takes is some players that are upgrades to our current starters and therefore can make us show an immediate improvement for 2010 season not 2012.
I am tired of waiting for the Rams to win too but
The Redkins proved year after year you can’t just buy a ready made roster. The draft and waiting for the draftees to get up to speed is a necessary evil if you want a winner.
Secondly, It’s irrational to expect young players to show up being All Pro’s when we know that realistically even great players take a couple of years to mature into their potential.
The Rams were destroyed a few years ago. The roster stripped of the talent combination it takes to win.
So they could either continue with that, or rebuild. I am happy they did not continue with that. How much they had to rebuild only shows me how bad it was allowed to get.
So at this point, they’re 1.5 – 2 years into the rebuild. It doesn’t do any good to bitch about how I want them to win now when they have already infused a bunch of new, young guys and we know it takes NFL players a couple of years to play to their potential.
Is that hope? Or is it just rational? If they were 6 years into it, I guess I’d be guilty of blind hope, but really I think they are mostly just young.
Inspired by douchiedude’s words of wisdom, I have changed my sig to
Stop bitching.
Being a fan allows me to bitch unfortunately
We’ve been guilty of blind hope for so long that I don’t even know what real hope feels like. I guess we have to just sit back and grind out the next couple of years and hope that these guys made all the right decisions to make us winners once again. That’s a lot of faith to put in a head coach with 1 year under his belt and a team with a new owner coming into the picture. Question isn’t whether or not we can wait the 2 years (because we have no other choice) but can the rest of the media and front office wait and keep Spags around long enough to see if his tactics work. When the Rams are at the bottom of the NFL ticket sales and revenue aren’t exactly going to blow our new owners mind. If we could’ve just got some FA’s in to help the process it would give us some improvement now along with the knowledge that in a couple years we are going to be even better. I’m not saying buy everyone but at least sign some starters to give us some hope for 2010 and give us some momentum going into 2011
Absolutely, you are free to bitch
and call them out on mistakes you feel they’re making
Stop bitching.
by CoachConnors on Apr 26, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
You don't agree
that we could’ve used the help from some free agent signings? Like I said before just some guys to help improve at SOME positions on either side of the ball
Waiting for so long
Rams won the superbowl just 10 years ago, remember?
That’s not that long ago in the big picture….but yes, I am with you about wanting to win now. I am tired of waiting too.
I wanted them to sign Sproles, but the Chargers got smart about that. I am happier they signed Diggs than to not passed on him. I would’ve supported a Thomas Jones signing. I don’t know if there were that many other guys really available at a good price. Maybe.
And I absolutely would not poison a young team’s leadership with bad attitude problems, when I want the new guys to come in and be like Steven Jackson, not Brandon Marshall. Leadership is very important to establish on a young team. In that regard, it really needs to be the right kind of guy.
Stop bitching.
True but we all know they wouldn't sign guys like that anyway
Yes it was 10 years ago we won the Super Bowl but there are plenty of teams that were good 10 years ago and they still remain playoff contenders today. And I realize that we were victims of some horrible drafting and stupid FA signings. Which is why I am reluctant to rebuild primarily through the draft. There’s no guarentees with these guys and no matter how much prep goes into your draft crazy things happen and we the fans are left to wonder what could’ve been. I wouldn’t want guys like Brandon Marshall on our team, but guys like Boldin are more than welcome. Leadership is one thing lacking on this team right now. Jackson is doing his very best at it but he’s not to far out of college himself. Being so young can sometimes cause your guys to lose focus and direction and with that veteran in your huddle it a lot less likely to happen. Defensively we are hurting the most. And if you look back at the past 20 years we have had 4 winning seasons and that was due to Warner being an absolute unknown stud. In fact we won 3 games in 07, 2 games in 08 and 1 in 2010 and 2011 doesn’t look much better. So when I say I’m impatient this is the reason why. 4 winning seasons in 20 years makes the losing more and more unbareable. So forgive me for the sense of negativity but this rebuilding process seems to me that it’s going to take entirely too long. And it only works if the palyers drafted play to or above their potential. I would hate to see what it would look like if 4 or 5 of these draft picks don’t end up making it. Because then my friend we will truely be in a very deep hole and we won’t have any way to dig ourselves out
Agree on the need for quality veteran leadership on a young team
a little surprised at the depth of the roster purge. I understood this was a new GM and rookie head coach, and I am not excusing mistakes, but I wonder if they might have cut the fat a little too deep. It might have been a mistake to get this young, this fast.
Stop bitching.
by CoachConnors on Apr 26, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I should've titled this post; "the CoachConnors show"
Since he has taken it upon himself to tell the majority of disappointed Ram fans how they don’t know anything, while the current owners of a 1-15 record are geniuses. Also, if you post a comment he doesn’t like, he simply deletes it, since he’s an all powerful TST “author.” Keep it up Coach. Pretty soon you’ll have no comments to delete but yours and the other TST “gods.” The average fan doesn’t appreciate your editorializing and censorship. There are plenty of other websites to engage in conversations about the Rams besides TST. It looks to me like TST postings are already way down for the period right after the draft. I’d sure have expected more. Finally, it was confirmed today that we pulled a major league screw up with the draft when Peter King stated in his SI column that we did good. That’s the kiss of death. Now I’m waiting for the obligatory compliments from John Clayton and Don Banks too.
Thank you sir may I have another!
Stop bitching.
by CoachConnors on Apr 26, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I do not delete or censor
and I invite you to ask the board moderators who is the biggest proponent of free speech, and who has actually cautioned against banning assholes. That would be me.
Go head, ask them.
Stop bitching.
by CoachConnors on Apr 26, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
that said...people have been warned and banned for being assholes
just not banned by me.
Stop bitching.
by CoachConnors on Apr 26, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You are gonna quickly run out of assholes to ban, since by definition that's anyone that disagrees with you.
As far as the TST “moderators” go, I think most, especially you, fall into the category of people that you say have been “warned and banned.” So go ahead; ban me, delete me. It’s like I giva flyin’ sh*t. You should actually thank me for creating the first TST post in a long time with as much response and interest as this one has gotten.
Could you define "long time?"
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2010/3/31/1398481/tale-of-the-tape-why-a-dt-should
This post has over 100 and made this then a month ago.
Only four players have averaged 25 and 10 in their playoff careers. One of them, Dirk Nowitzki.
by Blair Rocket on Apr 26, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
RamChop - LOL
That is a terrible point. The draft always gets lots of comments during the offseason (April is the calendar’s oasis between seasons). Besides you have like 50 of the 200 comments.
I didn’t grade the draft very highly either (actually voted D), I’m just not all chicken little about it. Before the draft, my expectation of 2010 was 3 to 5 wins – and that hasn’t changed. Anyone realistically thinking this team (regardless of whom they drafted) was due for more than that at this poin of the rebuilding is just drinking too much ’ade.
IMO, if the rebuilding continues with positive step the Rams will get just that – 3 to 5 wins. Compete for .500 to winning record in ’11 and be in the playoffs by ’12.
Baseball season is back - Go Halos!
All I can say is
no person’s contributions are so valuable that they should think it’s ok to run around hitting reply just to make derogatory remarks.
Stop bitching.
by CoachConnors on Apr 26, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The comments have gone down, because the draft is over.
During the regular season there isn’t many comments, but when the offseason starts then all these guys start posting left and right.
Only four players have averaged 25 and 10 in their playoff careers. One of them, Dirk Nowitzki.
by Blair Rocket on Apr 26, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
You trying to reply to someone?
Only four players have averaged 25 and 10 in their playoff careers. One of them, Dirk Nowitzki.
by Blair Rocket on Apr 26, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, this post has drifted far away from the original intent.
I was satisfied with Bradford at Number #1. After pondering it a few days, the number 2 pick makes more sense to me now for two reasons; (1) Bradford has to be protected. If his wing gets damaged again, we’ll be wishing we’d taken Suh 1st and later grabbed Clausen or McCoy, and (2) these guys must not have much faith in Barron. And are going to try to trade him OR sit him if he screws up in the first few games. I fully expect Bradford to start from day 1, the same way the Jets and Lions used Sanchez and Stafford, respectively. Nobody is gonna come to the Ed Jones Dome to see us field AJ Feeley or Keith Null. Next, McMichael is so worthless that we had to have a new TE. But, I don’t see why we needed TWO of them. The FO apparently ain’t buying into Robinson, Avery, Burton, et.al being that great a crop of WR’s. Thus, Gilyard comes onto the scene. Next, these guys MUST be thinking they’re going to sign Westbrook to b/u Jackson. So they didn’t draft a RB. So my problem remains; what do we do at the DE/DT and OLB positions? Certainly there was no interest in Julius Peppers in FA. He’d have been expensive, but could’ve provided immediate positive impact on our weakest link – the defensive line. Peppers is no youngster, but might have 3-4 good years left (same as Steven Jackson). I also can’t see Diggs being much support for JL. Surely, we could’ve come up with some help at DE/DT and OLB without counting on the late round “garbage picks.” These weaknesses, along with prospect that Otogwe will never be the same, are gonna likely leave us with the 30-32nd ranked Defense in the league. And that’s gonna make it hard to win games. Lastly, I think I’m gonna wretch if I hear anymore from the talking heads about how great Seattle and SF did in the draft.
"the number 2 pick makes more sense to me now"
Yeah, it makes more sense to you now after some of us have told you how much sense it makes.
“Certainly there was no interest in Julius Peppers in FA”
Peppers was NOT going to sign with us.
Only four players have averaged 25 and 10 in their playoff careers. One of them, Dirk Nowitzki.
by Blair Rocket on Apr 27, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Again, it’s not that I really wanted Peppers. It’s just that the Rams have not been a factor at all in any trade or free agent pick up that would help put some of the back ups that we have starting where they belong. There are probably 5 players that I am pissed are not on our roster right now S. Holmes, L. White, L. Washington, A. Boldin and Campbell. All went for a song and dance and would have been day one impact starters or in White or Washington’s case would have been a much needed threat if Jackson goes down. Adding two to three guys to the starting lineup via the draft every year will not get it done.
If you didn't want Peppers then what's with this?
“Really! Peppers wouldn’t sign with us? How do you know that when we didn’t even make an offer or show interest. You have no idea if he would have signed, money talks in the NFL.”
Only four players have averaged 25 and 10 in their playoff careers. One of them, Dirk Nowitzki.
by Blair Rocket on Apr 28, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
"The Bears ain’t really to good either"
Better than us.
Billy D didn’t want a Haynesworth situation.
Because this is Arizona.
With the knowledge that Jackson needed back surgery prior to the draft, the tandem of Devaney and Spags is looking less and less like rocket scientist material.
Ok guys, you built a stalwart offensive line to protect Sam, and that’s good. But who are they gonna be opening holes for without Jackson? You say Darby and Obog. I say that’s insane. These two guys are the epitomy of 1-15 play. And than goodness you didn’t waste any high draft picks on an OLB or DT. That way you can wear down JL and Long the same way you did Jackson. The rest of the league is either perplexed or lol at your decision making. As a Ram fan, I’m crying.
"And than goodness you didn’t waste any high draft picks on an OLB or DT"
What other high picks did we have to spend on an olb and dt?
Because this is Arizona.
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