Lowballing: What if the Rams try to buck precedent in contract talks with the first pick?
Though the trade talks continue, like they do every year, it's highly unlikely that the St. Louis Rams will be moving down from the first overall pick in this year's draft. Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford, barring a last minute shocker, will be their pick tomorrow night, and he'll also become the highest paid player in the NFL.
At the National Football Post, Andrew Brandt has a post today wondering if the Rams might spurn the contract demands of Bradford and his agent and hold the line on a more reasonable deal. A cool $50 million in guaranteed money is believed to be Bradford's asking price at this point, representing a 20 percent increase in the deal the Lions gave Matthew Stafford, last year's first overall pick and also represented by the same agent as Bradford, Tom Condon.
That's a pretty steep increase for just one year, a year when inflation has barely budged thanks to the recession and decreased, stagnant aggregate demand. But set aside the Econ 101 lesson for moment, because NFL economics are a different animal. Stafford got approximately 20 percent more in guaranteed money than Matt Ryan, the top QB taken in the 2008 draft, so the $50 million figure being tossed around now does not represent an unprecedented increase for the QB picked first in the draft.
But should and will the Rams offer up a contract along those lines?
The truth of the matter is they don't have much choice. Having the man who they expect to carry the franchise forward for years to come sitting on the bench...and possibly even re-entering the draft next year (when rookie pay could change significantly) would not put the Rams on the path toward improvement. In fact, it would really set them back, by at least a year.
Or, they could draft him and trade his rights to another team that would be willing to pony up that kind of money, which would still leave them searching for a QB. They could draft Colt McCoy with their second round pick, if they felt like this was a possibility, but why spend your two highest draft picks on a QB? The best option they'd get via this route would be a fill-in like Jason Campbell.
Perhaps a deal loaded with incentives, with something south of $50 million in guarantees? Unlikely. Why would Bradford take that deal? Why would any player drafted at the top of the first round take a discount, especially when they have a team in dire need of a QB for their efforts to rebuild a team and start selling tickets again over the barrel? It just doesn't make sense.
It's possible that a deal could get done for something less than the $50 million figure, but it would still be something pretty close to that, or they could try and hold out and get absolutely nothing for their first pick. Face it, the Rams are paying the price for years of neglect, and find themselves needing a QB just one year before the rookie salary scale likely undergoes a major change. One more legacy of the Jay Zygmunt era.
[Note by VanRam, 04/21/10 5:27 PM EDT ] If a guy really has the moxie to turn around a team and be the QB they need, $50 million becomes just another number. It's a gamble to be sure, but sometimes that's all you've got.
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I still just can't get past that darn shoulder injury
Maybe it’s just the baseball fan (read: regret about the Cardinals trading for Mark Mulder) in me talking, but I am just very reluctant to commit $50 million to a guy who has been knocked out of the game and the season on the last two hits he’s taken, and then putting him behind the Rams’ O-Line.
As an A's fan
I would just like to thank you for the Mark Mulder trade, and Bradford’s shoulder scares me a bit too. I would compare it to drafting a RB 1st overall coming off of 2 serious knee injuries, it just wouldn’t happen.
Dare I say BUST?
Bradford goes down and injures shoulder again and again.
I would take another player at #1 like Suh or Okung just to spite Bradford who thinks he should be higher paid than Peyton, or Brees, or Favre, etc… Rams are friggin bad drafters. So bad, in fact, it is like a lifelong jynx!
Van take a rest we are ten hours away now is the time to sowk it all in
and unwind from all ths stress of this draft ,time to just chill ,good job all through this pree draft , thanks for making it interesting all the way to the end
Go Rams
Van Ram = Chuck Norris
He doesn’t rest, he waits.
He doesn’t do push ups, he does Earth downs.
His tears are the cure for cancer, but he never cries.
by Brendan W on Apr 21, 2010 7:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Van is God?
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Apr 21, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
1st instincts
My 1st instincts at the beginning of this draft were that the Rams were deficient in to many positions. In order to fix this problem, they need to take the Best Player Available. My opinion still hasn’t wavered. They need to take the BPA.
With the 1st pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the St. Louis Rams select Ndamukong Suh from the University of Nebraska.
With the 2nd pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the St. Louis Rams select Colt McCoy from the University of Texas.
With the 3rd pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the St. Louis Rams select Dennis Pitta from BYU.
I would like to announce a trade. The St. Louis Rams have traded their 4th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft to the New York Giants for Osi Umeniyora.
I love the scenerio here.
Really a better long term plan as well as a way to improve right now. At the rate we are going with drafting Bradford #1. We should just go ahead and begin shopping Sjax now. Trade him now for more draft picks. With waiting for a new QB to develop for the next 2 – 3 years. Sjax will be run into the ground by then. He is the only work horse and playmaker on the team. Trade him now while he still has some tread on the tires and value. I mean. I know this is not the popular thing to say. I would love to have Jax putting in the kind of work he is known for with us. But, being one dimensional is making us to easy to stop on offense as it is. Rams! Let’s Get It!!!!
Trade Steven Jackson????
Are you nuts? At the going rate, we’d only get a 5th round pick and a sloppy joe sandwich for him!
I'll take that Sloppy Joe sandwich...
Haven’t had one in years. But lets not trade away the only score-maker the Rams have, okay.
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
Don't forget our 1 win last year....
was a pass from our kicker to our backup tight end.
Finally!
Someone cracked the Billy Devaney Code! Your starting QB for the 2010 St. Louis Rams: Josh Brown!
Hey, it’s not much different than the Texans moving their K to RB (according to ESPN…):
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Apr 21, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Jax has way too many injuries
I agree that he is going to be garbage at a 5th rounder and sloppy joe. I have thought that he was that from the get go. But, imagine what he would be worth in 3 years. If he can’t stay healthy now. A team like the Raiders would love to get him for a pick or two. The are crazy enought to take him. And not the only team that would.
So we would start Feeley and have no SJax?
You seem to really want that #1 pick in 2011
well in most all polls more fans want Bradford then Suh so if this is still
A democracy you lose lol ,I just hope Billy is democratic too
Sammy
Once Sammy finds out he will be hanging with Kobe,&Matt Kemp in the near future,he may take a $ cut.
Nice,but...
I just don’t think the Rams will take Suh because that would me we would be at the mercy of too many other teams for Colt McCoy. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have Suh but we must face the facts, we do not have a quarterback. If we acquired Jason Campbell, Vick (I know, I know) I would be all about taking Suh and then Colt or another player in the second. But right now, we cannot hope that all the other teams in the first round will not take Colt. I like the other picks though. I am just gearing up to cringe that we are going to fork out 50 million dollars for a huge risk. Hope he is worth it!!!
I'd rather pick my nose with a flame thrower
to be honest
by RamintheUK on Apr 21, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great insight
Baseball season is back - Go Halos!
I think the 20% is an exorbent increase
Ryan was the third overall pick, not the first, thus that 20 % increase between him and bradford is inflated by the descrepency between their draft positions. Had Ryan been drafted first overall, it probably would have only been a 10 to 15% increase between years. When the dust settles, thats probably what Bradford will end up getting.
Out of curiosity, do even the most die hard of Bradford supporters think he’s worth 50 million dollars? Now maybe comparitively he’s worth 50 million vs the 40 million we’d pay for Suh or Mccoy, but just straight out would anyone offer him that much money just because of precedence?
I don’t understand how the NFL doesn’t see that these high rookie salaries for the worst teams in the league, just strangle them. Drafting this high is more of a curse than a blessing.
Rant done. Go Rams.
That's why many people think there will be a rookie salary scale
in the next collective bargaining agreement. It would seem to me the most logical way to solve the current impasse between the owners and players would be to see how much of the salary cap last year went to guys on rookie contracts in their first three years and how much to guys in years four and after. Keep the ratio for years four and after that existed in 2009, thus meeting the players concern, while reducing the amount paid in the first three years of rookie contracts.. This reduces the overall cost for the owners, while meeting the main concern of the players.
But what do I know?
I wonder how much money was really put aside for these signings?
Remember, the new owner does have to pick up the tab in the future so depending on how the guaranteed money is structured he may actually have to foot the majority of the bill.
I am pro-Bradford if the FO thinks he is the real deal...
that being said – he is not worth $50 mil. Nobody coming out of college is IMO. I also don’t think that Suh would be the near $40 mil gauranteed it would take to sign him either though. The system is the issue – not the players.
But as a team you are handcuffed to the system as it is today – no point in bitching about it so you pick who best helps make your team what you envision it to be.
Baseball season is back - Go Halos!
To use a baseball analogy (hits home to SoCal fans here)
3 years ago Juan Pierre and Gary Matthew Jr were signed to $50 million dollar 5 year deals. Those two players at their age (where all baseball contracts are gauranteed), and at their past production should have been no where near that value. But the market at the time dictated (see Vernon Wells) that value within the MLB salary system.
You can’t hate the player for taking/demanding the money – you can only hate the system for allowing it.
Actually – I’m not even sure if that is a good analogy – but I already typed it so I am going to post it.
Baseball season is back - Go Halos!
Simpler put
don’t hate the player, hate the game
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
The Clock
is on the Rams. I’m interested to see what they do.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Apr 21, 2010 3:48 PM CDT reply actions
Just a question.
We’ve got the schedule. Does anyone predict we’ll be out of the top ten next year draft wise? Bradford or Suh?
I enter each season believing we can win the Superbowl. That’s faith. But as far as reason goes, does anyone (besides me) believe we won’t be picking in the top 10 next year?
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Apr 21, 2010 4:07 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
As bad as the Rams looked over the past 3 years....
No. There’s just too much change needed for them to compete against mediocre teams. I’m guess they stand a chance against the weaker teams unless that team has a good running game.
Hehehe....
NachoD has no faith in Matt “Hollywood” Leinart… The Rotating QB position in San Fran… or in Matt Hassel’s “bad” back.
wow! it just dawned on me, this really is a very sad pittiful division.
I am hoping for a turnaround like 1998 to 1999
We went 4-12 to 13-3 and a SB. Long odds, but it can be done if the right pieces fall in place.
Remember, that was done with an undrafted QB after Green went down. Reilly anyone ;-)
Can't we just keep passing
Until we get a trade down offer? We need to avoid this top pick(s) salary.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
Be bold.
Give me Bradford. Pay the man his money. The best QB in the league (arguably) played in the Super Bowl last year (Manning). The DT in the league (arguably), played on a team that won 4 games last year (Haynesworth).
QBs are worth more than DTs. DTs bust just as often. A DT at #1 wouldn’t be that much cheaper. QBs affect the game the most. They touch the ball the most. They give you someone to build a team around.
Taking Bradford is the right move.
So you are saying...
the 49ers drafting Alex Smith was the right move??? As a Rams fan, yeah I guess it was, but not for the Niners. When a team is coming off of a 1-15 season they can’t afford to draft a QB with a bum shoulder and pay him 50mil. They can afford to draft the BPA, thats it, no debate. Now if the BPA turns out to be a bust, at least we drafted the guy everyone else would have. I can sleep with that, I can’t sleep knowing we drafted a QB coming off of 2 major shoulder surgeries. Now if we draft Bradford and he turns into a superstar, mark my words, I will eat crow.
Umm, I believe he only had one shoulder surgery,
and the doctor said it wasn’t major. Further, he said it would be stronger than before. He has never had anyone with this surgery have another problem with it.
It’s fine to worry about his shoulder,and it’s fine to say you wish they would draft someone else, but please try to stick to the facts and not make up your own story.
Holy cow....
I apologize, I meant to write injuries and not surgeries….I must be some crazy lunatic that makes up shit…I’m so sorry. Still….my point being…would you draft a RB 1st overall if he was coming off 2 knee injuries…you wouldn’t…and if you say you would, than you are full of BS.
I was making up a story, you called me on it…you are a god, I am not. Sorry
He only had one injury. He tried to come back
before it was healed and found it that was a mistake. When you have a high ankle sprain and try to walk on it too soon and it collapses on you, do you count that as a second ankle sprain? No, it’s just the first one telling you it’s too early. As I recall, AP had injuries in college, but someone took him in the first round and he is doing pretty well. Man, is it so hard to just say “oops” and move on?
I do, in fact, remember one year when the football Cardinals drafted Larry Stegent at running back in the first round in spite of multiple knee injuries. On the first play of the first practice after the draft he tried to make a cut, blew out his knee for the umpteenth time without ever being touched and never played football again. Those were the days when every draft was an adventure.
Be bold, but be reasonable because
the salary cap is not gone, it’s just on hiatus…..it will definitely be back and salary used on Bradford is salary they cannot be used on other talent. So while I agree they should take their QB and pay a fair market value, I don’t think they can afford to pay him whatever he wants and still have cap space left over for a talent-balanced team.
Perhaps front load his contract so in 2012 it isn’t such a limiting factor in their ability to staff other spots? I don’t know.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 21, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh....
Maybe Bradford is the future and the 50 mil is well spent, well fantastic, the Rams finally have a franchise QB.
But if he’s a Ryan Leaf, there goes 50 mil.
The yearly draft conundrum isn’t it?
To be, or not to be, — that is the question: — Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer — The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, — Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, — And by opposing end them?
Draft....
There isn’t a major pro sports league that makes the first player drafted into their league each year the highest paid player in their sport….OTHER than the NFL! I just can’t fathom Bradford being paid more than Brady, P. Manning, Brees, Phillips, Rodgers, Favre, etc! Can’t wait for the NFL to adopt a rookie wage scale. That way the number 1 pick in the draft is really worth something to a losing team and therefore creates much more intrigue come draft time to see what trades are done to get that first pick!!
I'm a little surprised at this post, VanRam
I percieved the tone, maybe incorrectly?, as if to say the Rams would be wrong to try to stick to the (very) low end of reasonable — or — that they have no choice but to pay what he wants.
Lost in that is the fact that if Bradford were to hold out and re-enter next year’s draft, he would lose untold millions. Untold literally because we don’t know what the rookie cap might be, but untold figuratively because I would bet the amount he would lose might, might approach 20% to 30% of what the Rams would be willing to pay.
There’s absolutely no way Bradford would be an overall #1 after sitting out a year. Even if the rookie cap kept the top pick’s pay within a 5% increase year over year, he’s looking at dropping a few spots minimum.
Doesn’t that give the Rams significant leverage? My answer is yes it does.
When is the last time someone held out and made more money? Has it ever happened in the history of the league?
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
Maybe we should ask Ludicris his opinion
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.

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