Adam Carriker has left the building; more trades to come?
by Ryan Van Bibber on Apr 20, 2010 3:25 PM CDT
in 2010 St. Louis Rams offseason
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PrintThe St. Louis Rams have parted ways with another former first round pick. This time DT Adam Carriker, the team's first round pick in 2007, gets the old heave-ho, getting sent to Washington for a swap of fifth round picks. The Rams gave Washington their 32nd pick in the fifth round and Carriker; the Rams get Washington's fourth pick of that round, which gives them two picks atop the fifth round (1st and 4th). The PD is reporting that the Rams got Washington's pick straight up, PFT has the exchange of picks.
The Rams traded Carriker a day after re-signing DT Gary Gibson, the man who replaced Adam Carriker during training camp last season, before Carriker was injured and put on the shelf for the season. Today, DT Clifton Ryan also signed his RFA tender.
Carriker will play DE in Jim Haslett's 3-4 defense, reunited. The Rams now have Clifton Ryan, Fred Robbins, Gary Gibson and Darrell Scott as their primary defensive tackles.
You'll notice that the Rams did not acquire Albert Haynesworth in the deal. However, there are plenty of whispers that this move is one of several that clears the way for Washington to trade the big DT.
Four of the Rams last first round picks are still on the roster. The new regime has now traded two former first round picks, the other being Tye Hill, who have failed to live up to their potential.
It's worth remembering that the Rams are stockpiling enough draft picks to make some moves this weekend. Billy Devaney said as much in his comment to the media about the Carriker trade. Don't forget that tidbit from yesterday about Giants DE Osi Umenyiora possibly being available for a mid-round pick. I haven't seen that denied anywhere.
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The problem with moving Haynesworth
is similar to Oakland trying to move Asomugha. Huge contracts are nearly impossible to fulfill (outside of maybe A-Rod, none are springing to mind that matched value). If you can get 70% of Haynesworth’s skill at 25% of the cost, what is the point of trading for him?
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
Ummm, what?
I understand what you meant to say but… Haynesworth already has all his money. The remainder of his deal is $15.7M for 3 years. Which would be WAY cheaper than signing Suh, after picking him at No.1, No.2 or No.3. That is if the Skin don’t mind swallowing the $21M they just dished out to Albert.
Yes but we would have Suh for many years how long will Haynesworth play for
Regardless right now we are good with DT position and maybe add some one in the draft in later rounds ,but it looks more like we need DE right now and LB so I don’t think we are considering A.H.
I was just reviewing Haynesworth's trade value.
I didn’t say he needs to come to St Louis. If anywhere, Detroit is his perfect fit. The Lions need a DT, Haynesworth just wants to get paid without caring about winning.
God Zyngmunt was awful
For Carriker and Hill we only got 7th round pick and a swap of fifth.
I hope no one wonders why we’re at the bottom
I'd love to get Osi
I think him coming over here would be huge, bigger then what people realize.
The House of Spears reigns supreme
i'm pretty sure it's a swap
that’s what i’m hearing everywhere else.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 20, 2010 4:10 PM CDT reply actions
Barron Next?
BD seems to be dumping all the prior regimes 1st rounders though I do not think SJax will be leaving soon.
S.J.? I think if they make Billy D. a good offer he will deal his own mother lol
Don’t bet on it lol everyone seam to be expendable now a days
Maybe trade of #1
Does the trade of Carriker mean a trade down with Browns and selection of DE? Or trade for DE?
this is too bizarre????
ok, so the Redskins got a starting DE/DT when healthy… and we got their 4th pick in the 5th round but gave them our late pick in the 5th round… but that wasn’t good enough for them? they wanted to move up 3 spots in the 7th???? hmmm, someone’s got some good pics of Billy that he doesn’t want out in public!
To try and put a positive spin on it
We just turned a pick that was almost a 6th rounder into a pick that is almost a 4th rounder.
However, I think we just got our pants pulled down!
Please remember, a player's draft position is a sunk cost.
Carriker cost us a first round pick, but he’s not worth it now. We already lost when we drafted him. Now we are just trying to salvage some value.
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.
but....
wouldn’t he be worth more to us just to keep him? He’s still a starter.
he's not though
He would have gotten beat out by Gibson had he not gotten hurt. Also, you have to consider that you are not just trading Adam Carriker, you are trading one contract year of Adam Carriker (whom we would not have resigned). What is that worth? 20 positions in the fifth round.
Move into 1st if needed?
According to draft chart, that 4th pick in the 5th is worth 40 points (the original was worth 28.4). That plus our 2nd could move us into the 30th pick based on chart value. That is currently the vikings spot. Only takes 20 more “points” to move ahead of vikes. Just wondering if some posturing is going on here for this type of move if need be.
Too Many Players?
Sando has a great article indicating the Rams currently have 68 players signed (this includes unsigned RFAs and after this deal). That leaves only 12 players we can sign. We have 10 draft picks so that would really limit us in the undrafted free agent market. We may see some more moves where we basically “give” players away otherwise we will be just cutting people so we can sign someone else.
We should have kept him or got more
UPDATED: As part of the deal, the Rams also sent a fifth-round pick (No. 163 overall), and a seventh-round pick (No. 208 overall) in exchange for the Redskins’ fifth-round pick (No. 135) and seventh-round pick (No. 211 overall).
I haven't found any uniformity on what we are getting.
If all we did was switch some numbers around without getting anything extra, I think this trade kind of sucks. Hopefully, its a precursor to some serious dealing between both of these teams.
What???
… I am speechless… like most people here… I hope that the reports are incorrect
I think I'd be happier with a 6th round pick
Than with a swap of 5th rounders. We’re not gaining an extra player and they could very well get the same player as they would have with the same 5th rounder if last year was any indication. Last year they picked a few players at least one round too soon, most notably Keith Null. Nobody else in the league was going to draft him before our pick in the 7th or at all. Brandon Gibson was taken 2 picks earlier. We could have had one of the following players and Keith Null and Chris Ogbannaya: Bernard Scott, Captain Munnerlyn, Moise Fokou, Zach Follett, Rashad Jennings, Nick Reed, Sammie Stroughter, Julian Edelman, or LaRod Stephens-Howling. Maybe this could help us out some, but I’m not seeing a hug help since I could see us reaching for a player we like. A while ago in a chat with Billy D, he said there was a player he sees as a real sleeper, but couldn’t say who it was. Maybe this trade was to make sure he got that player.
In fairness
The leverage for the Rams wasn’t great. When players like Santonio Holmes are going for 5th rounders it’s hard to argue that Carriker is worth more. He’s spent most of his time on IR and clearly doesn’t fit the system so you get what you can for him. I’m sure if there was anyone other than the Redskins interested we could have driven the price up but my guess is no-one else was biting.
Santonio...
Was traded for a 5th straight up, not swapped picks in the 5th. That’s not even close to the same.
However, your point is still valid. There wasn’t much being offered, so we got what we could.
Yeah
And my point is you couldn’t even compare Carriker to Holmes in terms of what they have done in the NFL Market forces dictate the price and if Holmes (even with his suspension) is a straight 5th rounder then a swapped 5th rounder for Carriker doesn’t sound so bad. I don’t doubt that Carriker may well prove to be a good addition for the Redskins but he wasn’t for us. That little experiment is over we cut our losses and got what we could for him
by Stonedtodeath on Apr 20, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds familiar
Didn’t we swap picks for Laurent Robinson?
I can’t recall what round that was in, but something similar. Two injured-potentially-good players traded for positioning in the later rounds.
That turned out well for us (assuming Laurent ready to go this year). I have a feeling this trade will turn out well for Washington – who may be able to use him properly.
Swapping fifth rounders? 3 spots in the 7th? Are those three spots really gonna make a difference? Probably not much (see Dustin Fry – early 5th rounder).
However, Carriker was out of scheme here so we probably had no choice. For that price I would’ve probably kept him, but if Spags didn’t see much of a role, so be it. We just have to make that positioning in the 5th count.
We swapped 5th and 6th rounders.
Neither team got anything of value with those picks. The Falcons drafted a CB in the 5th who is now with the Dolphins and doing very little. In the 6th they drafted a LB who barely even got in as a special teamer and had 3 tackles last year. We got Foster who didn’t play at all due to injury and Null who shouldn’t have been picked there, but did do a fairly good job considering his position last year. So we got Robinson, a question mark in Foster, and a back up QB with some potential in the 6th, so I say we definitely win so far unless Adkins (the 6th round LB the Falcons got) turns into a star. So this is looking good for the Skins. Only time will tell.
Carriker was a cluster flop. Anything that got him outta STL was a win-win for us.
Barron, Tye Hill, Carriker, Brian Leonard, Joe Klop…. with high picks like this group you know why we’ve won 6 of the last 48 games….
The thing that makes me the most made about that draft is that we could've had deangelo williams in the 2nd
can you imagine SJ’s health if we had deangelo running behind him. We would’ve been lethal but i try to forget that stuff.
DAMN YOU LINEHAN!!!!!
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
Except Williams was drafted in the first round
What should really make you mad is when you see who was the next pick after Carricker. It was Darelle Revis and 4 picks after Klopfenstein was Marcus McNeill. And if we didn’t trade the pick for Tye Hill we could’ve had Haloti Ngata. Think of the difference that would make. And instead of Wade and Leonard we could’ve had Josh Wilson and Marshal Yanda or Stewart Bradley.
Wow I gotta get my facts straight
Good catch
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
The pitiful drafting during the Martz and Zygmunt years
is almost hard to believe. How could anyone routinely screw it up so bad? Although I have my own answer when I remember the football Cardinals when they were here and George Boone was drafting. Anyone for a QB in the first round who is blind in one eye (yes, they knew it when they drafted him)?
Wouldn’t you think the law of averages would cause things to even up one of these years and give us three or four real studs from one draft?
I like this trade because
- Carriker was not a good player, in fact he was already replaced last year.
- They moved up so drastically, from the bottom of the round to the top is a big move.
- There will be some promising players slip past the 4th, always are.
- or, this is a pick that can be added to others in a trade with any team, whereas Carriker’s value was much more limited
- While I wish him all the best, its probably better for the Rams to say good to say goodbye to all the reminders of the era of futility Zygmunt cursed them with
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
LOSERS
First, no one dislikes Zyg and Shaw as much as I do. But the other real problem with the Rams is their fans. They are one of the worse in the league on judging talent, being loyal to the players, understanding the fundmentals of the game, please stick to baseball. As a Ram’s fan since 1975, I have stuck with the team and the players through the bad years in the 90’s and bad management and the move to a new city and even worse the golden years of the Whiners. But I have never seen a group of individuals dump on their own players as much as the Ram fans do on their own. For example, Kurt Warner is washed up….ha ha, washed up to a Super Bowl apperance, Ryan Pickett sucks and can’t hold his own….ha ha, he is starting in Green Bay…, Kevin Curtis is over priced and too small, he started in Philly for the last 3 to 4 until age caught up with him….did we need a receiver in the last 3 to 4 years….yes, Adam Carriker is too slow, out of position, doesn’t play hurt….he will kill us in week 3 and have a very good career, Chris Long is to small, isn’t ALL-WORLD his rookie year and sucked last year, he is a bust, let us trade hime for some warm Busch beer. YOU LOSERS WOULD KNOW GOOD TALENT IF IT WALKED UP AND KICKED YOU IN THE TEETH….LOSERS!
SEE RAMCHOP for example.
PS: You losers would have hated Peyton Manning and said he is a bust after his bad rookie year.
PPS: I am not doing this to piss anyone one off and be a troll but to point out the fact that if we keep giving away our talent (not re-signing or trading away), we will suck forever and the only one to blame is the guy in the mirror.
If it was the Fans choice....
You’d still see Kurt, Ryan, and Kevin finish their careers right here in St. Louis. Hell, you’d even see Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt play their whole career here. The fans know talent… the previous management regeme did not.
Shoot... almost forgot....
London Fletcher would have still been here too.
Your post is strange
How do we as fans have ANY control, whatsoever, on how the Rams FO signs and trades? As far as our opinions go, THAT’S CALLED BEING A FAN! Plus, your examples are weak at best. If you really are a Rams fan then quit spitting on your own and get in a positive mind frame for the draft tomorrow.
PS- Calling us LOSERS twice comes across as trying to piss people off. At least in my book.
PSS- No one, and mean NO ONE on this site, the media, or the streets have asked for Chis Long to be traded. Get your facts together before you start taking a dump on a fan site that’s fair and informative.
Great call-out
I was going to mention Curtis, McDonald, Pickett, and even Damione Lewis (CAR) in response to Andyrose post above, but you did all the work for me.
I question the value of giving away Hill (starting in ATL as nickel) and now Carriker starting in Washington. I’m not sure how you get better giving away a player who has been injured and is only in his third year. I’m no guru, but isnt there some value (especially on 1st and 2nd downs) to moving Carriker back to end and letting him play run downs?
Spags -- known for D line coaching expertise -- moved Carriker down the depth chart
to 3rd DT. Now chances are they’re drafting another DT somewhere in this next draft which likely would mean Carriker would drop to 4th.
How are you going to second guess Spags on a D line decision, after Spags worked with Carriker all season and knows his skillset and ability more than anyone? Seriously, are we determined to never believe in anything they do? Of all things you might think Spags knows about, wouldn’t it be this?
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 21, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The most puzzling Linehan/Zygmunt move?...
Why did they cut Madison Hedgecock? At the time and still now, it made no sense at all except to give Linehan’s boy Brian Leonard more of an opportunity to show how he wasn’t going to be a true Full Back.
Of course, madison was happy… he got a superbowl ring out of the deal and was on a much better team.
No opinions needed, just good NFL talent
To the sensitive AmpLee Ram fans of the world, you can have all the opinions that you want on things that you know i.e. if you are doctor and are trying to determine the best course of action for your patient, then fine express your opinion or if you feel that vanilla is better than chocolate (a non-sensitive issue or subject) but the minute you or any other Rams fan thinks they know NFL quality talent….please keep your opinions to yourself. If you want to post on any website or local newspaper or call into a local radio station and ask why the Rams ran a certain play or to cheer the team on, then fine. Other wise ….
Now to help you out with your math problem of why 2 + 2 = 4. Player A has a bad year (injured or doesn’t meet your standards) so Fan B calls on the radio and writes on the web and local newspaper and bad publicity starts and then a call for his Player A to be trade or not re-signed start and then Player A comes back to haunt the Rams for years through head to head matches as well as losing an other player for whom the Rams drafted and then have to start all over again. So in the simplest terms, the fans who pay for the players salaries and managements salary do have some very important control.
Even a good and stable organization like the Steelers listen to the public cry and roar.
And to think that no one has called out for Chris Long to hit the streets is incorrect and foolish at best.
Here is a simple rule, if the player does not start on offense, defense or special team in the first 4 years (5 if one year is injured) then draft, trade or sign his replacement. And if the QB takes you to 2 Superbowls and then an other team to a Superbowl, DO NOT GET RID OF HIM.
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