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Colt McCoy vs. Sam Bradford: The Breakdown

 

We are finally just a picture of Matt Stafford away from the draft. Most likely us Rams fans will have to wait until the buzzer for the pick to be made at the start of the draft, whether it be because of Billy D. trying desperately to swing a trade with the Browns or them weighing the options should Sam Bradford pull an Eli Manning.

I thought it would be interesting to take a look at the two QB's, because barring a miracle, Jimmy Clausen isn't going to be heading to St. Louis, of course, stranger things have happened, like Donovan McNabb asking the Redskins to snag T.O. Hit the jump to take a look.

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Let's begin with the cold hard numbers of the golden child, Sam Bradford.

Year GP Rating Att. Comp. Pct. Yards TD's INT's
2007 14 176.52 341 237 69.5 3121 36 8
2008 14 180.86 483 328 67.9 4721 50 8
2009 2 133.9 63 37 58.7 485 2 0

 

And below, we have Colt McCoy's numbers:

Year GP Rating Att. Comp. Pct. Yards TD's INT's
2006 13 161.8 318 217 68.2 2570 29 7
2007 13 139.2 424 276 65.1 3303 22 18
2008 13 173.8 433 332 77.6 3859 34 8
2009 14 147.4 470 332 70.6 3521 27 12

 

Looking just straight at the numbers, they seem pretty comparable. Both are highly accurate, throwing around the same amount of passes each year. Looking at Bradford though, the TD and INT numbers are staggering. 88 TD's to 16 INT's, compared to 112 TD's and 45 INT's for McCoy. Even though McCoy was more accurate, he threw almost three times as many interceptions. Both are spread QB's (although Colt played more in an under center offense for the first two, which didn't really change his numbers...), so you can't really fault a system to bloat their numbers as you would with a Jimmy Clausen vs. Sam Bradford comparison.

As far as analysis goes, I tried to find some neutral draftniks. The two I picked? John Gruden and Matt McGuire from Walterfootball.com. Why? Because John Gruden never could find a QB he liked a Tampa, and Walterfootball.com despises all QB's in the draft not named Jimmy Clausen. Suffice to say, I think you can believe what they have to say.

Let's start off with John Gruden. First off, he gave praise to all the QB's he looked at, but as far as Sam Bradford goes, he noticed right off the bat that

He's every bit of the 235 pounds and 6-foot-4 size he's advertised.

That's a good thing, because as he points out, lineman are getting huge. Gruden liked how he had good mobility and a quick tempo, a few things which would greatly help the Rams offensive woes. He's a talented athlete, which is a nice thing to have at the helm of your offense, especially when he's running for dear life (OK, our pass protection isn't that bad. But do remember the injury bug likes to attack our offensive lineman quite often).

Matt McGuire (who wrote the scouting reports on Bradford and McCoy) from Walterfootball has a different perspective. He likes the arm and knowledge that Bradford has, but isn't sold on his athleticism (it's only "decent") and he wasn't sold on Bradford's ability to throw on the run...or to throw it in general:

Doesn't make any jaw-dropping throws...

Arm strength is good, but he will struggle to fit ball in tight windows if he doesn't make very quick decisions...

We really do not know if he can make throws on the run yet...

 

The same goes for Colt McCoy. I personally don't think he is as good as Bradford, but I don't think he is as bad as some people make him out to be and that seems to be the way the Rams feel about him as well. Staring off with Gruden again, he gives him very high marks for his intellegence:

You can't give enough football to McCoy. You can really load up this computer. He can handle it. Though he's athletic, I think above the neck is going to be perhaps the biggest strength of his game. McCoy is going to be able to recognize fronts in coverages, he can place the ball on the back shoulder, he's a very accurate red zone passer, he can run and he will compete. His passion for football is as good as anybody's.

He definitely someone who wants to win, and the Rams could certainly use someone with that competitiveness after trudging through the Marc "emotions of a stone" Bulger. The red zone compliment that Gruden gave him is especially important, as the Rams of late haven't been able to punch it in for 7 (or even get to the red zone, but that's another story completely).

Matt on the other hand, completely disagrees. I haven't been an avid Longhorns fan, but Gruden says that McCoy played in a "under-the-center" offense for his first two years, while McGuire says he has, "Never operated under center." I'm not sure who is right here, but this is not an opinion; one is right, one is wrong.

McGuire thinks Colt's mobility is a plus, then says it's not good enough for the NFL. He says he has a weak arm, yet has good deep range accuracy. Quite frankly, he doesn't like McCoy at all:

Colt McCoy is the next overhyped collegiate quarterback who really doesn't have much of a chance in the NFL. He is a late-round talent, and don't let ESPN fool you.

That's pretty damning if you ask me.

 

When it comes down to it, the question you have to ask yourself is, "Is Colt McCoy good enough?" Sam Bradford is the consensus #1 pick to the media right now, and any way the Rams spin it if they do indeed go in a different direction is going to be met with resistance and ire. Personally, I think Colt McCoy needs more work then Bradford, just because of his height and how that translates, but I agree with Gruden; he seems like a smart guy who is fully capable of finding out how to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses in regard to his game.

So TST, would you be willing to take someone else, such as Ndamukong Suh with the first pick and McCoy with the 33rd instead of Bradford? Or is Bradford too good to pass up?

Poll
Is Colt McCoy a good enough prospect for you? Should the Rams pick him instead of Bradford, would you stand behind it?
Bradford is too good to pass up, no.
253 votes
McCoy as the second round pick is a better value then Bradford with the first overall, yes.
445 votes

698 votes | Poll has closed

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Interesting...

I really liked how you posited the poll question. I’ve stated this many times on this board, but McCoy reminds me of Brees. He wasn’t great coming out of college, but improved after his 4th season. I kind of have the same feeling about McCoy, that he’ll be passable his first few seasons, but won’t shine until later. His athleticism is ideal for a WCO and he wants the W. I’m okay with him struggling since the Rams are not looking at going deep into the playoffs until several years from now. I have to agree with Gruden.

Caption for the picture above, “I once drafted a Quarterback, this Big!”

by 81 Witness on Apr 20, 2010 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

+1 for caption

The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!

by CoachConnors on Apr 21, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

IMHO

McCoy will come into this league with a chip on his shoulder for being rated the 3rd or 4th best QB of this class. Add the Napoleonic comlex (due to his size) and he is going to continue to work hard to excel at this level.
Bradford, though I feel will also be a success, gives me the impression he is entitled now that he has “proven” his shoulder is fine. He does seem to exhibit a quiet confidence but that just makes me think he does not need to prove anything anymore.
So after that said, I feel we should go with McCoy in the 2nd (or late 1st) if the opportunity presents itself.

by RBramfan on Apr 20, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Today on local sports radio Herm Edwards

who certainly knows a thing or two about the NFL, said the best comparison for Bradford among current NFL QBs is Philip Rivers (but without the bad personality). If the Giants hadn’t been such idiots that year, San Diego would have taken Rivers #1 overall. If we can get a QB who does as well as Rivers, why would we pass him up? There is nothing that says McCoy is going to be there for the Rams in the second round, even if we thought he was going to be a top notch NFL QB.

by andyrose on Apr 20, 2010 4:05 PM CDT reply actions  

huh

“If we can get a QB who does as well as Rivers, why would we pass him up?”

Did Herm predict that rhe team that would draft Bradford would be getting a QB who WILL DEFINITELY be as successful as Rivers ?

I guess he did not…

And he probably could give as flattering comparisons concerning Suh, Clausen and all, if he were asked to…

No big deal…

by Le Ram on Apr 20, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Easy there turbo....

Comparison means similar to or like; so Herm is referring to who Bradford will play like. He did NOT say anything about success, nor did he infer it. Rivers is only as successful as his RB’s, WR’s, & TE’s play. Put him on our team and is he successful?

by RamsFan1979 on Apr 20, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually it was "skillset"

Which is not success. It only means he has the same strengths and weaknesses, and doesn’t have anything to do with how well a guy plays.

The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!

by CoachConnors on Apr 21, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like either Bradford or Ndamukong Suh.

I’d most prefer Bradford, just because McCoy really isn’t that impressive to me. I always thought Bradford looked a lot better on throws, more often than not the McCoy long throws involved a receiver making a good adjustment or great catch.

If we get Suh, I’ll take McCoy as consolation in the second round and be happy because we need somebody great on defense. Best case scenario for me on Thursday: Rams take Bradford and Sean Weatherspoon is available on Friday after being missed throughout the first round.

"And on the first day of Spring, number one has fallen."

by StopSpe on Apr 20, 2010 5:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I would still like to trade down with Cleveland

and get Derrick Morgan in the first, Colt McCoy in the second, BPA with our second pick in the second round, best outside linebacker available in the third and BPA with our second pick in the third round.

by NachoD on Apr 20, 2010 5:50 PM CDT reply actions  

This is what the Browns think of Bradford

“He’s the whole package,” Browns president Mike Holmgren said. “Whoever gets him is going to be a lucky team.” I want us to be that lucky team lol ta hell with the Browns trade down ,we keeping Sam lmao

by Ram-on on Apr 20, 2010 6:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm surprised

For all the people that weren’t set on Bradford, I thought even less would accept Colt McCoy.

The House of Spears reigns supreme

by Eric Nagel on Apr 21, 2010 1:38 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm ok with McCoy as my third choice for a QB

Clausen 1, Bradford 2, and as long as we get any one of these guys I will be reasonably happy. If we come out of the 2nd round without a QB I will die a little.

The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!

by CoachConnors on Apr 21, 2010 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

This is my dilema....

I have firmly been in the we need to draft a QB of the future by no later than 2010 camp for years (seriously – years) and have fully supported a QB at #1 if the FO feels that they are the potential franchise cornerstone – not just for the sake of drafting one.

What if the FO doesn’t feel that Sam/Clausen is that guy and they get Suh. I like Suh and he is a great talent that can help the team – no doubt. But I am personally not sold on McCoy, Snead, Pike, Tebow, or any other SouthCentral Westernish Michigan Territory University QB. If the FO feels McCoy is the guy though, then they need to get him (I have to trust their decision making at this point). That being said, I am right there with you CC – if we don’t address IMO what is our biggest area of need by the 2nd rd….I too will die a little.

I hate the Campbell or wait next for next year to get a QB strategy (that one for A LOT of reasons). So if the FO thinks that highly of McCoy then they better friggin be damn sure he is there in the 2nd because the last thing this team needs to be doing is giving up picks to get back into the 1st for him.

Baseball season is back - Go Halos!

by gorams77 on Apr 22, 2010 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Suh over Bradford

A player like Suh comes only now and then. A QB like Bradford comes every year. EX. Locker next year among a few others. Watch highlights from SB 34 and 36. The Rams lacked pressure up the middle in both SBs. They could have won 36 if they would have had some pressure up the middle. Even though they had a great offense they could have lost both because no pressure up the middle. When have the Rams had a force up the middle last? Several teams have shown to build the lines first then add a QB and you dont have to have the 1st pick in the draft to draft one. Example Ravens, Jets, Falcons, Pats, Cowboys. for a few. BIG MISTAKE to draft Bradford 1st then whoever 2nd, instead of drafting Suh 1st then McCoy 2nd!

by rambro4ever on Apr 21, 2010 10:54 PM CDT reply actions  

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