First pick trade talk heats up
by Ryan Van Bibber on Apr 16, 2010 2:29 PM CDT
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PrintAs the Ndamukong Suh fans here at TST have noticed, the notion that the St. Louis Rams will draft Sam Bradford with the first pick in the draft has become the deeply rooted consensus. Hell, we're already laying out the offensive strategy for next year under that assumption. But the rumors of a potential trade with the Cleveland Browns for the first overall pick just won't go away, especially with Browns GM Tom Heckert confirming today that the two teams have had conversations about a potential trade. Ok, so they've talked, but is anymore than just talk?
According to post from Rob Rang today, there is indeed a little depth to that talk. He says both the Rams and Browns would like to move out of their current spots in the first round, and they're still talking about the terms of such a trade.
If the Rams didn't draft Bradford, then who would they pick to fill the massive void at QB? Some point to Jimmy Clausen, but Rang stands by the notion that we talked about yesterday citing sources who say Rams have an affinity for Colt McCoy and could nab him with the 33rd pick. He then says that WR Dez Bryant or DT Dan Williams could be the pick if the Rams do pick seventh.
Fascinating stuff, and very possibly a classic case of pre-draft subterfuge. My thoughts on the matter below the jump.
For one, if this is a real possibility, the Rams better be damn sure about Colt McCoy. I know there are plenty out there who question the wisdom of Bradford as the first overall pick, but experts generally agree that he can be successful in the NFL. There is less consensus around McCoy.
If the Rams do take McCoy and go bust, it at least won't be as costly a mistake as if Bradford were to go bust after being drafted first overall. However, it would still prevent the franchise from moving forward at a time when it really needs to get the cornerstones in place for the future.
It would also be pretty frustrating to see the Rams whiff on that 33rd pick because there will be lots of great talent available.
McCoy could probably be a good fit for the West Coast offense, and like we said earlier today, the team could also use the shotgun more often and more effectively. Billy Devaney et al could still make Clausen the pick at number seven, and that brings me to my second and most important point:
Leaks and speculation from inside sources run rampant this time of year, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if Billy Devaney and his inside circle are playing their cards close to their chest as far as what their QB draft board looks like. First and foremost, it would give them at least some leverage in talks with Bradford, something they have very little of right now given how much conventional wisdom has solidified around the Rams-Bradford talk at first overall. It would also be the smart play because it keeps other teams guessing, which is the name of the game this time of year. Trades get made at the draft based in part on the players teams want and the assumptions they have about who else wants them.
It's silly season, but we have to listen because there's just enough possibility with each piece of info that we hear.
Except of course the one that went around last night about the Rams swapping their first overall pick for Ben Roethlisberger. No thanks.
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Then again, all the convential wisdom...
…is pretty much all media driven. I mean absolutely all of it. If Bradford talks aren’t going well with Condon, all the leverage in the world the Rams need is that Cornhusker guy.
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by TrojanRam on Apr 16, 2010 2:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Trade The Pick
I’m all for it…I have no problem giving up our first round pick to the Browns and taking Clausen with their 7th pick overall. It would probably take the Browns 1st/3rd this year plus their 1st next year for our #1 overall this year. We need more picks and this would help us out long term. I don’t think there is a huge difference between Bradford and Clausen.
Because Suh will be there at 7th overall, right?
You seem to be forgetting the part about when we trade down, we don’t get to pick whoever we want anymore.
If they really want McCoy
I would trade to Cleveland, get a boatload of picks. Buffalo probably wants Clausen. Trade the #7 pick to Buffalo for more draft picks. You end up with multiple #1 picks next year and multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks this year and maybe next year as well.
I’m not sold on Clausen nor McCoy. But if the Rams really want McCoy, he’ll be there in the second round. With the time between the first and second rounds, and teams evaluating themselves after the first round, they may be able to trade down even further, get more picks, and still get McCoy.
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You say that...
But how do you know the 49ers and the Vikings won’t take McCoy? They are both teams in need of a QB. Smith has played poorly for a #1 pick. There is some uncertainty about Favre. Just because some analyst says McCoy will be there in round 2 doesn’t mean shit. Teams have needs…
49ers aren't taking him at 17th overall
that’s too high…. the Vikings i don’t see happening either but its more realistic
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by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 17, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be happy to do it
if we could get their 1st, 2nd and a third then I’d say deal, especially if the FO really is quite high on McCoy. I’d try for more, obviously, but worst case scenario I’d take that. In fact, I’d give serious consideration to their 1st and 3 third rounders.
I know that we’d be down on the value chart, but it alleviates so many problems (QB #1 is expensive, does Bradford honestly want to play for us? who owns the franchise?, can we protect a possibly fragile QB?, who does the new guy throw to? etc.) then maybe the value evens up.
I do think Cleveland has the pieces in place to take Bradford, and it is far from a dumb move on their part. Bradford can sit behind Delhomme and Wallace for a year or two; possibly a better scenario for Bradford too.
That #7 overall pick provides all sorts of options too; C.J.Spiller alongside SJax or Trent Williams to play opposite Jason Smith for the next decade would be a great start to the draft for my money.
One reservation would have to be who plays QB this year. McCoy appears to me that he will need to sit for a year (at least), and I really don’t fancy a whole season of Feeley, Null and Reilly. With 5 or 6 picks in rounds 1 to 3, does this reopen the Jason Campbell for our 4th rounder rumor?
Hey Bradford is the man but
If he will not deal with us lets just fill our team with quality players in every position and draft a QB next year , if you all willing to wait lol im all for getting as many good players as possible ,screw Bradfords agent lol
I’m a Rams fan. I will cheer for the regardless of who they pick. I hope the draft Suh. I wasn’t for this at first. There was too much hype. But after looking at his stats and at what he did at the combine I am sold on Suh. Bradford may end up as a great QB if you put him in the right situation. I don’t believe that is with the Rams. To be successful here he need a better line and some experienced talent around him.
The Rams are better off drafting Suh with the 1st pick. Trade for Cambell with a 4th or 5th round pick. Use the other pick to fill other needs.
Until this i would have taken him No 1 over all
Now i dont know
The Rams do not have a QB in their camp right now with much experience. They need experience at that position in the teams current state. A rookie is not expected to come in a lead a team unless it has the right pieces around the rookie. The Rams are in a rebuilding phase. They need to put in place the right pieces before you hand of the reigns of the team. This could take several years to rebuild if done correctly. Then you give to team to its franchise QB. If done too soon the QB develops happy feet along with other bad habits that will ruin the QB future as a player.
Trade down Rams and get more players that can IMPACT the game
Rams are far more in need of picks than Cleveland, which now has M.H., should be a winner again like the days of Brian Sipe!
LOVE IT
I hope this trade happens. I a big McCoy fan because I just believe he is as good or will develop into the same QB as Bradford. We would save a ton of money and probably pick up a few extra picks later in the draft. I also like the idea of picking Bryant with the 7th pick because the Rams currently have no game changers on offense at all.
If we can get their first this year and next I'd definitely do it.
That way we could take Clausen if we like him, or a defensive player to help Spags. Then we could take a QB next year and one of the big WRs. I think it would help the team way more than just having Bradford. I think we would be in a better position to add a QB next year anyway. Even if we don’t add to the line this year, they will still have another year of experience which could help out a ton. We’d just need to replace Barron, which can probably be done through FA next year. Oh the possibilities. I can’t wait for the drama to unfold in 6 days.
Take the trade
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a huge Bradford fan. If we can get this trade, however, I don’t see any reason to not take it. I think that with the possibility of trading down we can grab a few offensive playmakers.
With the 7th pick we could grab Spiller. We then use the 2nd rounder from Cleveland and maybe a 3rd to trade back up into the first, probably a low 1st, and grab the WR out of GT. On day 2 we use #33 on McCoy.
If that doesn’t float your boat I was also thinking with #7 we take Claussen, trade back up into the 1st for the GT WR, and then take Toby Gerhardt in the second. Little different than the first option, but I think I would be more comfortable with Claussen than McCoy.
Either way you look at it this would fit what Devaney said about needing playmakers. We get a stud WR, a back to rest SJax, and a QB.
by Brendan W on Apr 17, 2010 1:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
We probably don't need to trade up into the first to get Thomas
A lot of people have him as a third rounder. Also why would you want Gerhardt when you could have Jahvid Best. And do you really think if we make this trade we will use every pick on offense with Spags as our coach? I don’t think that’s very likely. We could also add 3 defensive playmakers. One of whoever falls of Suh, McCoy, and Williams, then in the second we could add an OLB and a DE. Or we could add a combination of offense and defense, which is likely.
Reading the Devaney tea leaves
From everything I’ve been hearing/reading about Demarius Thomas it sounds like he won’t slip into the second. All the guys on Sirius NFL are saying the guy is an absolute freak. I can’t remember if it was Pat Kirwan or Adam Schein, but they were saying that they would consider him over Dez Bryant.
Toby vs Best – I’d be happy with either. My reason for Gerhardt is this; SJax is beat up every year and I would think that if we could get another RB similar to him it would be very beneficial to #39. Gerhardt is a big back that has shown the ability to catch out of the backfield and has very good speed. (He had several 60+ yd TD runs)
In regards to going offense with the first 3 picks vs defense; after reading between the lines of what Devaney has said about needing playmakers on both sides of the ball and considering our poor offensive production this past season I just really see us beefing up the O.
by Brendan W on Apr 19, 2010 12:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Spiller? Spiller? at 7th?
no thank you, i’ll take Bryant or Clausen
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by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 17, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
*IF* the Rams make this deal, then what about this:
Peter King, so take it with a boulder of salt:
“2. I think the Eagles want to come up. Let me rephrase that — I know they want to come up. The Eagles are in a very small club, teams that want to jump up from low in the first round to the upper half. I believe Philly wants one of the two safeties in the draft — Eric Berry of Tennessee or Earl Thomas of Texas. With the 24th, 35th, 55th and 70th picks, the Eagles absolutely have the ammo to move up.”
How nice would it be to then trade the #7 to Philly?!? If the Rams could pull off that 1st trade, get Cleveland’s 1st, 2nd, and even one of the 3rds [or 2 of them or maybe even their first in ’11], and then multiply that via a trade to Philly?
Who-eee!
I’m rooting for Suh, will settle for Bradford, but making both those moves and looking at the possibility of a 1st and four second rounders?
I’m glad that’s all settled then, get me Holmgren and Philly on the phone and let’s do this! Heck, if we can line Philly up correctly, I’d be willing to lower my price to Cleveland…
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