Would you be interested in Big Ben?
by GrnGyant on Apr 15, 2010 2:52 PM CDT
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PrintAs I live in Pittsburgh, and have to put up with a lot of Steeler smack talk. This developing situation has been particularly interesting to me. This was recently posted on NFL.com, discussing the steeler's options with Big Ben (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8178b2b1&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true).
If a deal could be reached (and I'd assume it would be a straight take of our first round pick, or at best a swap of respective first rounders) would you be in favor of it? I understand this directly violates the four pillars (unless assault slipped in there somewhere, when I wasn't paying attention. But otherwise, he'd be one of the better quarterbacks to become available in a long time, proven success, still in his prime, under a fairly reasonable contract, mobile enough to survive while our o'line gels.
I think I would be more comfortable with taking a risk on a proven perfromer with non team releated, non drug issues, than any rookie quarterback. But hey, thats just me.
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ehhh
I never liked the dude, and I don’t really think he is a great QB. but heck, y not. Hoo-Yah
Hoo-Yah
If you can get Big Ben with the first pick
You do it. He’s a proven Super Bowl caliber quarterback. That said – I dislike the guy too and I hope it doesn’t happen
No way
Questionable QB numbers in the playoffs and I think Santonio and Ward and their TE have made him look much better than he really is. Thumbs down, I would pass. Not a 4 pillars kinda guy either.
yeah i just posted this link a sec ago
Idk it’s tough but big ben could really help by some time for the receivers to get open. Plus he can take hits. Bradford looks like a wounded gazelle when he gets sacked
I just heard some disturbing news on the AM radio this morning..
…of a rumor of Big Bens EXTREMELY irresponible behavior at the club just before his ALLEGED offense. I really don’t think I want to lose our first round pick to add this guy to our roster. We can do so much better either keeping our pick or acting on some other trade scenarios that are floating around out there.
Last night the rumor on sports radio was
that it would take two first round picks to get him, not just one. That would clearly be too steep a price.
If we could get him for our 2nd round pick, then take Suh in the first round, we might have something going.
I think two first round picks would be a pretty steep price for someone who from the looks of things will be suspended at least two games, maybe more. I don’t think the Steelers will let him go for anything less than a top 5 or 7 draft pick, their backup situation is not the best, and I don’t see them giving Ben up, without getting a QB (drafted or otherwise) in exchange.
No way we take him. He's a punk. I don't care what he does on the field.
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.
I have to agree with the majority
Anybody that is too stupid to listen to Terry Bradshaw about QBing AND not riding a motorcycle without a helmet, just doesn’t seem to get it. Then you have coach that is saying on national TV that his QB holds on to the ball a bit too much and would like it if would listen and get rid of the ball instead of taking some of the unneccesary beatings each week.
Then you get not one but two sexual assault allegations in a years time….
Plus his press conference with his public apology about this last incident, with that stupid pre-mullet hair-do. I sooked and sounded so insincere, it was a joke.
So with the first chick in Tahoe….I have a lot of friends that live in Tahoe and it is a realitively small community, so word spreads quickly. Apparently, he offered an agreement with this chick that he would pay her a certain amount of money if and only if she went public and told the world that she made a mistake and was not raped. Well, she refused to do so and ended up with nothing including being fired from her job.
There is no question that the guy is good at this game of football, but I just don’t want him on the team.
2 Super Bowl wins in 4 play-off appearances (6 year career), 5th all time QB rating 91.7, 4,300 yards last season with 26 td’s and only 12 picks. He is also ultra durable and can give our WR’s the time they need to get open. You’re right, sounds like a bad idea. I don’t like him as a person but, he wins games and he can do it with or without a running game. Maybe Jesus Bradford will open an orphanage and free Tibet but, if he can’t win on the football field no one will care at all. Like I said before Bradford may be a god but, I don’t know and neither do you. One thing that we do know for sure is that Big Ben is a winner and a great NFL (He is not playing against west Texas University) passer. Bradford for Roethlisburger…yeah any day.
What about getting a QB that will
have a close eye on him? A guy that makes one more mistake after a series of them and then you have nothing. I’m not saying that the guy isn’t worth it because of his talent, I’m saying that the risk is too great to give up the 1st overall pick. If we had the 21st pick it might be a different story…less risk for a quality product.
I’m sure that most people here are aware of Big Ben’s success.
He has done a great job in the league when he is on the field.
My concern is that he never seems to learn. He will probably be suspended for a game or two this time, but with the warning that the next time will be for a year. Since I don’t think he will get it still, the chances are good the year suspension will happen. It seems to me the risk is too great for paying the #1 pick for him.
Dixon does look promising
If i remember correctly wasn’t he the leader for the heisman before his injury late in the season
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
I think he was,
and Dixon did start that Sunday night football game against the Ravens. He played pretty well considering it was his first start.
Only five players have averaged 25 and 10 in their playoff careers. One of them, Dirk Nowitzki.
by Blair Rocket on Apr 18, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
CaliRam, db and 81 doubt his abilities, that is why I posted numbers.
db- The 49ers would have won 5 Super Bowls with Steve Deberg at QB. Purely speculation! What really happened is that Ben carried the team to the second Super bowl, played well in the Super Bowl and then drove them 88 yards only to throw a last second TD to win it.
CaliRam- Are you talking about the risk of taking a QB #1 overall that has never stepped behind center on an NFL field and handing over 60-70 million or the risk of taking a top 5 pro bowl QB with some alleged off field problems and paying him less than we would Bradford? Just wondering what seems more reasonable. : ) Go Rams!
I'm not doubting his abilities as much as I dislike his celebration tactics
Although I probably was wrong to think they would have won the second one. I wouldn’t call DeBerg the same level of speculation as I engaged in. And yes I do, occasionally, engage in speculation. I know it’s hard to believe.
As long as my sister
is hanging out in bars in the St. Louis area- I will pass on having Ben as our QB.
block! building kick! exploooooooosion!
by mooseknuckles41 on Apr 16, 2010 12:07 AM CDT reply actions
I think Everett's argument is the one that makes the most sense to me.
It basically comes down to what level of risk your comfortable with. Bradford (or any of the draft picks) is complete risk, we truly don’t know what he’s like on field or off. We may have a good idea, some hunches, but we don’t know for sure. Ben, we know what we get on the field at least (we may need to improve our tools to get the most out of him). But he’s a known risk for off the field issues.
In my head I see the numbers for risk breaking down like this.
Drafting Bradford (or any quarterback):
25% chance he can’t compete at the professional level.
25% chance he’s a closet glue sniffer, bar room brawler or kleptomaniac.
50% total risk that something might go wrong.
Trading for Ben:
10% chance his skills don’t translate to the Rams.
33% chance he has another off field issue, that leads to a suspension
43% total risk that something might go wrong.
Now, you can adjust those numbers based on your belief in bradford, disbelief in Ben, etc. But however I work the numbers (especially the money involved in their respective contracts), I have a hard time seeing that trading for Ben is more risky than paying all this money to a brand new quarterback.
so according to your statistics, there's 100% Bradford is a bust
that doesn’t make sense….
"You’ve got to play every game like it’s your last because it’s definitely survive-and-advance or don’t survive and school," Tiller said.
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 17, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
No. The third number for each is a summation of the previous 2 for a total.
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.
by Midasknight on Apr 17, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
The only risk with Bradford is the injury thing
There’s a 0 % chance he can’t compete on the NFL level. His injury may or may not affect his career. I’m thinking if it doesn’t hurt him his first year it becomes a non-issue. Bens judgment problems seem to certainly exist, whether or not we take advantage of the resultant drop in value is moot if there truly is a pillars policy.
Bradford's risk of bar room brawler = 0
His risk of not being able to compete at the NFL level is probably about the same for all top QB draftee’s. Well above zero, but certainly not high enough to pass on him just because of that risk. If they pass on him it’ll be for other reasons
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 18, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Bradford is not a sure thing by a long shot.
If you read my post a couple of months back you would see that first round QB’s since 97 have a 33% chance of success and that was calling guys like Alex Smith a success. He will be joining one of the worst teams to take the field (statistically) so that has to lower his chances even more. Every DE, OLB on our schedule will be looking to drive him onto that shoulder and will have at least 50 chances to do so. I don’t like it. Trade down, take the pick’s and draft Colt! On another note, once again the guys on NFL network were picking on the Rams for not picking up one of the good WR’s that have gone for a song and a dance. So I’m not the only one who is pissed about our lack of interest in improving the team.
We are too far gone for quick fixes.
Maybe if we were closer to competing we could think about Marshall. But not yet.
This is not a mistake by the Rams. It is smart.
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.
a lack of interest in improving the team?
Come on. Anyone who truly thinks they lack interest in improving the team isn’t looking at it rationally.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 18, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta.
Can’t think of why else they would pass up on valuable pieces of the puzzle. It certainly wasn’t the price. Boldin (3rd and next years 4th), Holmes (5th), Marshall (we most likely could have had him with our second rounder), Cormartie (2011 3rd), Ted Ginn (5th) and Rob Sims (5th). All of them would be major upgrades. Yes, even Ginn (kick returns). So management better hope that our 3rd rounder is better than Boldin and that our 5th rounder is better than Holmes and our second better than Marshall, otherwise there is no excuse. Proven players for scratch off draft picks!
You simply don't get it.
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.
My two cents
I don’t care if he is as talented as Peyton Manning, I don’t want a serial rapist on the team I root for.
by Ramfan from Seattle on Apr 16, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions
"alleged" ... but amen nonetheless.
Yes, I actually wore a watermelon on my head during the Rams SuperBowl victory in 2000.
by Midasknight on Apr 16, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
But not two or three separate times to the same guy.
In this case he admits he was there and went into the bathroom with the girl. Was he going in there with her just to get some sisterly advice from her? The Duke guys never admitted anything because they weren’t involved with the girl in that case.
Big Ben doesn't care who see's what
My only problem with it is he should’ve known better and found a more discreet way to bang her. He also rode around town in public without a helmet after signing a contract saying he wouldn’t. But Ben doesn’t care who see’s what, and that’s a risky/reckless problem in his judgement that isn’t going away, IMHO.
Guys like me can get away boinking a chick in the restroom, but even then only if I first make sure no one in the club crowd knows me, so when we’re seen coming out … not if we’re seen, but when….it won’t be such a big deal.
He’s obviously watched by everyone at every club he goes to and is rich enough to be able to pull a Tiger and get it setup, so the fact that his judgment has this particular problem tells me he’ll probably either do something else in the future, or has more stuff that hasn’t come out.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
I only know of two and it seems that the justice system does too. Andy are you the third?! Haha! I am playing devils advocate but, he has yet to be convicted of anything at all but being a jackass.
I believe some of the stories have said
there is a suspected third case, but nothing that has gone public on it yet. Whether it’s two or three, it’s too many.
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