Parsing McCoy's pro day
by Ryan Van Bibber on Apr 1, 2010 11:31 AM CDT
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PrintNow that you've had time to get over the minor heart attacks caused by today's April Fool's Day news, let's discuss some recent happenings from the college pro day scene that could have some relevance to the St. Louis Rams.
We start in Austin, TX, where QB Colt McCoy answered questions about his health with a strong showing. Bradford's counterpart from across the Red River completed all 58 of the passes he threw. McCoy is an accurate QB, and that was on display yesterday. One knock against McCoy has always been his arm strength, but some of those watching yesterday felt that he did much better in that area than given credit for. Here's a report from Tony Pauline's Draft Insider:
...the Texas senior impressed all on hand with his accuracy and surprised them with his arm strength.
McCoy's passes displayed excellent speed and velocity. His outs were on the mark as receivers were not waiting on the ball as they left their breaks. McCoy's deep passes were spot on, and he hit pass catchers down the field in stride. Scouts and coaches on hand took note of the way McCoy was able to get the ball downfield and for the most part, did not have receivers slowing up in their routes...
All in all is was an incredibly successful day for McCoy and those on hand believe he significantly helped his draft stock. McCoy will now move into the middle part of round two, possibly a bit earlier.
Gil Brandt reports that former Rams offensive coordinator Al Saunders was reminded of the prep that Peyton Manning put into his pro day. In the same report, Brandt says many feel McCoy has a better arm than he gets credit for. Pete Carroll called it a C+, which I'm sure Texas fans will love to hear from the former USC coach.
The Rams, who were not represented in Austin, have a private workout scheduled with McCoy, who could be a QB option should the Bradford thing not work out.
USC had their pro day yesterday too, and the intriguing DE Everson Griffen put on a dandy of a workout, including a sub-4.60 time in the 40-yard dash. Griffen appears anywhere from the mid-first to the second round of mock drafts, a reflection of concerns about his effort.
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that is a very odd throwing style..
the ball isnt even going the right direction and his eyes are closed. And if he is going to make that face every time he passes, we are going to be the laughing stock of the NFL.
Pictures
I’m hoping your picture comments have some sarcasm behind them. While I’m openly promoting drafting Suh instead of Bradford with the first pick, and I have no problems with taking a QB in the 2nd round if thats what we decide to do, and I will have no problems if that QB is McCoy, I like McCoy.
It does, however, seem ridiculous to pass judgement on the character of a person based on one picture of Bradford and one picture of McCoy.
That pic reminds me of the kid from Malcom in the Middle
the Malcom kid. Only blonde.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
Maybe Rams do qo qb in 2nd rd.?
If there was a way to pick up an extra 2nd round pick this year, many Rams fans might feel a whole lot better with the overall “selections” and team needs being addressed???
I'm likeing colt
they way I see it he had a less severe shoulder injury and from the work outs he showed just as much accuracy and power as Bradford. And It seems like Colt’s work out was more challenged making him do more different throws then sam. You have to keep in mind they are just workouts and any decent qb should make throws with no pressure. But what i’m getting at is if Sam and Colt pretty much show similar skills and each of their private sessions with the rams go well, why not go for Mccoy in the 2nd? Your saving alot of dough and you can get Suh or who ever you please in the first without that hype for a young qb with the #1 pick. I guess I’m day dreaming because that would be a perfect world scenario but I still think it should be an option to look into.
+1000
This is what I have always said. My gut tells me he won’t be there in the second round though. If we can move up to late in the first round and draft him there, that would be perfect. Besides, the last time we drafted late in the first round, we picked up that kid from Oregon state named Jackson.
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
by RamsMan83 on Apr 1, 2010 1:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not all the observers
agree he equaled Bradford. I’ve seen some say he had trouble with his longer throws. The ball got there, but it was wobbly, a little late and seemed forced. while Bradford was throwing perfect spirals on the money 60 yards and more down the field. Pete Carroll said it was a C+. I think Bradford will still be ranked ahead of Clausen and McCoy. However, if the Rams aren’t convinced Bradford is a pro-bowl franchise QB, they could pass on him and pick Suh, or trade down and get extra picks and take McCoy or Clausen. We won’t know how the FO sees it until the day of the draft or the day they announce they have signed someone. It’s fun thinking about it, but that’s about all we can do. I’m still waiting for my invitation to be in the Rams war room helping them make their picks. Anyone else get theirs yet?
I read it was just arm strength that Carrol gave the C+ for
Which is sort of limited, but maybe you read a different article than the one I read. There’s a million of ’em out there right about now, each with its own slant on things.
I’m not a big Colt McCoy fan (or detractor) but just to illustrate how there are people on both sides of him, after working with him in person Archie Manning said he was quite impressed with McCoy and his arm strength is very underrated. You’ll see my comment below where Packers coach said he liked McCoy’s workout better which is a rare definitive statement, and he even complimented his drive throws too.
Apparently McCoy was able to relax and have some fun with his pro day after talking to Peyton, and although it doesn’t explain what Peyton said to him, I’m betting it was something like “My dad has a bigger man-crush on you than VT has on Amendola.”
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
I'll say Yes too
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
McCoy had a "better" pro day than Bradford but the hype has been substantially less
And when I say better, I mean Green Bay’s coach thought it was better than Bradford’s. But boy there sure has been a lot less hype about it. I don’t think I would pick McCoy if I had the choice between the two though. I would like to have had those 2 and Clausen all in the same week to balance out the hype, but it is what it is. If McCoy’s day is any indication, Clausen’s will be a low key affair too.
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The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
purely subjective
That is the first time ive heard that mccoy’s performance was better, and ive read alot of reviews
What's interesting is here we have a real NFL coach's name attached
rather than media person, or “NFC insider” or some such crap. So for me, that carries infinitely more value.
But yes, you’re right, and I have been trying to make the point for a while now that of the 32 teams there is not going to be agreement among all them on anything, from Bradford vs. Clausen, to whether G. McCoy is actually a better fit than Suh for a particular system. There’s often dissention within a team, let alone between 32 teams.
There’s literally hundreds of people actually employed by all the NFL teams to give their evaluations and opinions. Using credible sources (actually naming names, such as a Mike McCarthy) I still don’t if we can even determine what a majority of those paid professionals really think, or if there even is a majority one way or another.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
Green Bay's coach did not say McCoy looked better than Bradford.
He said he liked the workout better because it included more of the types of passes he wanted to see. That’s a long way from saying he thinks McCoy will make a better NFL QB than Bradford, or even that he looked better on his pro day.
I am convinced think the coach liked the performance more because
The coach says in essence that McCoy showed more, proved more. Which to a coach means he liked the performance more. In a practical sense, it does less good to outperform vs. a lesser challenge. They’re looking for these guys to prove something and if this coach thinks McCoy proved more, which he does, he would think the pro day itself was a better performance. This isn’t reading between the lines as much as it is applying the practical utility of the pro day.
And right, no one said he will be a better pro, and probably no one will either. Even if they think he will, they rarely say things like that.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Apr 5, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
What was the april fool's day heart attack news?
???
by JohnMatuszakloveschunk on Apr 1, 2010 1:28 PM CDT reply actions
Now if we told you it was the April Fool's joke, it wouldn't work on you!
It’s still on the front page…check around…any shocking news to be found?
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
Serves me right
for always skimming the links.
by JohnMatuszakloveschunk on Apr 1, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind a McCoy pair.
I wouldn’t mind Colt in the 2nd round and Suh/McCoy in the 1st sounds good to me.
My ROFLcopter goes soi soi soi soi soi soi soi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pkAFR-7c-c
by AbsolutMoose on Apr 1, 2010 1:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
What if the Redskins are willing to deal?
We could trade out of the number one pick to swap first rounders with them and gain their second round pick. Take either OT Russell Okung or DT Gerald McCoy with the 4th overall pick, take the BPA with the 33rd pick (Jermaine Gresham? Sean Weatherspoon? Everson Griffin?) take Colt McCoy with the 37th pick from the Skin’s and then have a happy rest of the draft!
This would IMHO be a great start to the draft then. But somehow I just do not see this happening…
by kickasskeever on Apr 1, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
USC's Pro Day and Everson Griffen
I thought this was interesting.
Taylor Mays was the better Safety when it comes to dumb things like, you know, actually playing in games but the Trojans other safety, Will Harris, is showing better athleticism and hip movement, sideline to sideline range and other workout measureables so he is (according to the linked source, anyway) climbing up draft boards.
And this is awesome:
…"Everson Griffen again turned in another terrific workout. So why is he not flying up draft boards as most defensive ends would? As someone plainly put it to us this afternoon, Griffen, tests like Tarzan but plays like Jane."
I wish they’d name the someone who said it but I can understand how you’d want that quote to be off the record. Point is Griffen is getting all kinds of hype for his workouts when his on field production was relatively weak.
Paging Mr. Davis….Mr. Al Davis…
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
That pic made my day
the look on his face is priceless
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
you don't want to know why they cropped his left hand out
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
Haha he couldn't even wait til after the workout?
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
by Habte E on Apr 1, 2010 7:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I am a bonafide true maroon Trojan fan since i knew what football was all about and let me tell you all that Griffen is the biggest dissapointment ever i think at DE at SC. The remark about coach said about playing like Jane is 100% on the money!!!!
If practice makes perfect....
Yet nobodies perfect.....
Then why practice ???
Who is Griffen
and Mays?
USC defense was not so good last year!
Stick to the BIG leagues – 10, 12, Sky, etc.
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