Why McCoy is better than Suh, in McCoy's eyes
by VanRam on Mar 8, 2010 2:17 PM CST
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Oklahoma DT Gerald McCoy, a candidate for the St. Louis Rams first overall pick in the draft, joined Dan Patrick for his radio show and answered some questions about his draft status.
McCoy's argument why he is better than Ndamukong Suh:
I think that my first step is faster and I am a little bit more of a speed guy and more of a pass rusher. Whereas he is just like a brute strength, run stopping guy… I am just more of an explosive guy. He just clogs holes and he gives you what you need.
That's comparison has been made about the two before, though most people seem to think the difference is negligible.
And how about McCoy's message to the Rams front office and the rest of the team's draft braintrust:
I am going to give you everything that I have got. I am going to give you one hundred percent of everything that I have. If I am not at one hundred that day, I am going to give you one hundred of where I am at. I am going to study the game. I want to learn. I have no problem learning. I have no problem sitting behind somebody until I get it right because I want to be at my best. If I am not at my best, don’t put me out there until I am and that is what I am going to give you. I am going to come in and I am going to produce and that is what I plan to do. You are going to get what you see is what you get. If you have seen this on film that is what I am bringing. I am not going to change that just because you paid me a little bit of money. I am coming as hard as I can.
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"I am not going to change that just because you paid me a little bit of money"
This line stuck with me, because he didn’t try to really prepare for the combine in the way other guys did. Some guys will grab 225 pounds and start max repping from the day they finish their college season, just to be able to add a few reps in Indy.
Not MCoy. He came right in and cranked out 23 reps, because that’s who he is. Suh’s 32 didn’t matter one bit.
I worry a little about him. Not that he is so far below Suh in the reps but just that he didn’t go out of his way to make a good showing. Seems…non-competitive.
"If I am not at my best, don’t put me out there."
I might take him at his word on that.
it's important to remember that QBs aren't the only first round picks that go bust
they’re just the most high-profile.
$41 million down the tubes is $41 million down the tubes.
Turf Show Times
Actually, Suh or McCoy wouldn't get near that kind of money even at #1.
AT MOST they’d get the guaranteed money Jason Smith got last year, which was 33 Million. Say 35 because it’s a nicer number.
That said, Stafford got 41.7 with the same agent Bradford has. He can push it to 45 with ease.
If either busts, we’re screwed anyway, but I’d rather save 10 mill.
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I think he prepared for the combine...
http://www.coreperformance.com/daily/news/gerald-mccoys-nfl-combine-prep-at-athletes-performance.html
I remember watching that, which is why your comment struck me as odd.
So - the 40% less reps than Suh?
He’s just weak by comparison?
23 reps is really not much, and after he did it one of the guys on NFL Channel quoted him as saying “I’m not a rep guy”, which is part of why I think he decided he is what he is, and didn’t try to add on a bunch more reps.
I’m sure he prepared, I just don’t think he went after it like he needed to. Or like some guys do.
I agree with you.
I recorded it and the difference in approach betweeen he an Suh seemed night and day. It seemed like Suh was out to compete, prove that he is and should be the #1 pick.
McCoy however didn’t strike me like that. It looked like he was there to win people over with his words rather than his actions. In the L-drill (3 cone drill), he just stopped midway through and asked the guy if he could go again. The coach told him that he would have to wait, then he walked off telling someone to go get him a drink. He seemed more energetic during his interview with coach Billick and Mike Mayock than during his performances.
The Bench Reps are so overrated
And so is the 40 yard dash there is a major difference in football strength and speed than what you can do in shorts and a under armor t-shirt
I would muck rather have McCoy than Suh because of McCoy is a much better pass rusher in my opinion.
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by Brandon Birkhead on Mar 8, 2010 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Then why did Suh have twice as many sacks as McCoy?
I’ve read several reports that said McCoy “could” be a better pash rusher because of his athletic ability. The problem is he forgets to use his good technique and gets too upright. Then he is easily blocked. He just doesn’t seem focused enough for a guy who wants to be the top pick. You don’t get that position by having a nice smile and talking a good game.
What Matters?
For me, the key to Suh having much better stats is that they played against much of the same compeition. When people say McCoy is “better”, I can’t help think “better except for real life production”
If you think the bench and 40 are over rated, does that mean you put more stock in their actual game play?
If you put more stock in the game play, are Suh’s stats overrated, since he posted a large advantage obver McCoy in that area too?
What actually does matter then, if neither combine measurables nor actual game stats?
It starts to sound like it’s being rationalized. My biggest problem with him is not the stats or the reps….it’s the feeling I got that he didn’t prep as hard as he possibly could have.
I can't speak why McCoy did less
reps on the bench. I don’t know why he didn’t compete, I can only speculate. I just thought he prepared for the combine. I’d rather have Suh anyway. I like the way he went about his business at the combine.
The more I think about it....
as an arm chair phsychologist….I tend to think Spags would be a little turned off by a guy who didn’t go out of his way to show up as prepared as competitve as he possibly could be.
I don’t think he harbors excuses for guys who fail to compete in any situation and I am betting he saw 23 reps as “You didn’t really want it”
He got it right….!?……Suh IS all brute force, he starts with a bull rush and over powers ‘college linemen’…..Pushing around NFL linemen isn’t quite as easy……….He’d still be a good plug in the middle……but I like McCoy better for what Spags likes to do.
I find it odd
That some still see McCoy slightly above Suh (like Mayock) even when Suh has significantly more production in college and out performed McCoy at the combine in almost every event. Suh was clearly more focused and seemed to be better prepared than McCoy, and is not as undersized as McCoy (307 vs 295) Even Mayock was surprised at how weak McCoy seemed in the bench press, but still has McCoy rated above SuhWTF It defies all logic to me…
by Mean Machine II on Mar 8, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Mayock was surprised at how weak McCoy seemed in the bench press
Yep, that’s when someone asked McCoy about it and he said “I’m not a rep guy”
To me that says “you get whatever you get”…..I am what I am…
and then McCoy came out and used those exact words.
I find it hard to believe Spags will have this guy on this team, seriously.
There’s been a lot of talk about how Suh can play anywhere on the line. If that’s true, McCoy has virtually no advantage over Suh in any area because that was supposed to be his great quality too.
The big benefit Suh presents over McCoy is in the running game. he’s strong enough to fill the gap and tie up blockers to give other players around him the chance to make the tackle. I fear that while McCoy projects to be a better pass rusher than Suh, teams will run it down his neck and he will get pushed around at the NFL level. I’d prefer to see a dominant DT taking away the run. On passing downs Suh is still going to attract multiple blockers allowing the LB’s to rush the QB
i prefer suh
i like them both. I do think that suh will make the bigger impact even if it is not the splashiest one. Pass rushers are good but overrated. If all you can do is rush the passer but you are not a runstuffer then people will run the ball donw your throat. If you stuff the run then usually you can get after the passer by taking away an option on offense. i still prefer suh.
The Pick May Be Neither One Of These Guys
Jake Locker in 2011
????
why is that no one will say publicly that Sam Bradford is a Franchise QB worth taking at #1 overall, but most people have us taking him at #1? If even after the combine no one is real high on this guy, why do people think he will be our choice? Just wonderin………….I don’t think this is the year to take a QB #1 overall……….it has to be Suh, McCoy seems a little lazy, I know benchpresses aren’t everything but come on dude, at least TRY to “wow” people…….
Jake Locker in 2011
Everyone is waiting until his pro day on March 25.
If he looks great there and makes all the throws, I think they will start calling him a franchise QB. Rarely has one day meant so much to a football player as March 25 for Bradford.
I’m not sure why you say no one is high on him. I’ve seen lots of evaluations that have him as the top QB and one of the top four players in the draft. March 25 will be the day of decision.
Suh
The other thing I love about Suh is his instincts. It seems that he is great at locating the football, which is something the combine does not measure. I haven’t watched much of McCoy to comment on him, but I cant believe he is anywhere close to Suh in this category. Sure its not a big deal to some, but it can only help when he gets to the NFL.
Yes
he does have good instincts. He seems to pick up screens and misdirection plays well.
by Jas the Mace on Mar 10, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
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