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Greg Olsen's changing role and the TE trade market

I still hold out some hope that the St. Louis Rams will trade for one of the two tight ends thought to be on the trade market, Greg Olsen and Tony Scheffler. To me, that's an essential ingredient in Pat Shurmur's offense.

Scheffler, who was tendered at the second round level, is sitting out of the Broncos' offseason conditioning work, a situation not uncommon for a RFA in his situation (see Atogwe, Oshiomogho). Most believe he'll still be traded, and the market is likely to heat up again as the draft nears and teams get a better handle on their draft boards with workouts, Pro Days and visits. 

Olsen's name last burned up the rumor wires last week, though there was no actual nugget of possibility beyond the speculation that he wouldn't fit into Mad Mike's offense. Today, Bears head coach Lovie Smith walked the trade talk back a little bit, claiming Olsen did indeed have a role with Bears, albeit one that might change a little bit. Here's Lovie:

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There’s a reason we brought in another tight end [in free agent Brandon Manumaleuna]. If tight end wasn’t important in our offense, we had three we love and we brought in another? That doesn’t add up.

They all have a strength: Greg as a catcher, Dez Clark doing both, Kellen Davis as an inline blocker and Brandon can play in the backfield, as an inline tight end, a lot of different spots.

As for Olsen's evolving role in the tight end four-way...

H-back is probably what Greg has been best suited for up to this point. Right now that’s been more Greg’s role. We haven’t talked a lot about him being an inline tight end. That’s the next step we have to take with Greg is getting him more comfortable to play inline tight end.

In order for that to work, teams have to respect Greg as an inline tight end. A lot of times last year teams kept their nickel group out there with Greg, and you don’t want that. You want to get him matched up on a safety or a linebacker.

Olsen was the top receiver - 60 catches, 100+ targets, 612 yards and 8 TDs - in the Bears woeful passing offense. 

Make teams respect Olsen more as a blocker in order to make him a more effective receiver. Makes sense, but this sounds like it turning into a situation where Olsen isn't happy or best suited to his role, which prompted the trade talk in the first place. Though last week, that trade talk took on another dimension when ESPN's KC Joyner weighed in on Olsen's productivity, noting that he had a yards-per-attempt average (5.9) that was the fourth worst among TEs...putting him in Randy McMichael territory.

Olsen was the top receiver - 60 catches, 100+ targets, 612 yards and 8 TDs - in the Bears woeful passing offense, and I asked Joyner if part of the problem might have been Olsen's status as the lone receiving threat. His response did indeed note that Olsen's role could have been part of the issue, but more because Olsen was being used as a WR when he's a TE. Here's his response:

I haven't run the full numbers yet, but if I had to guess, it would be that Chicago tried to use him too much as a flex TE. Very few flex TEs ever post quality numbers in that role for the simple reason that if they were top-notch WRs, they wouldn't be TEs. There are numerous instances where this has proven to be the case on other teams (Clark in Indy being maybe the best), so the solution could be to move Olsen inside and see how well he produces there.

Based on Smith's quotes above, it sounds like they might be following that course of action. We'll see what happens. Olsen's expected role and how well that goes will go along way to determining how seriously the Bears entertaining trade offers. Thanks to KC Joyner for the feedback...and be sure to check out his site, and I highly recommend his book, available there.

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Can he run block?

Wasn’t Chicago’s running game woeful last year too? I am unsure if I want Olsen’s skill set in St. Louis. Even we had a better running game than Chicago.

It’d be a huge upgrade if we do end up with Scheffler tho.

by 81 Witness on Mar 26, 2010 10:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Chicago resident Tackle Box says no

Apparently Olsen does nothing respectably that you would want your TE to do, except catch.

The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!

by CoachConnors on Mar 26, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd take Scheffler over Olsen.

Olsen is a big receiver who isn’t really good enough to be a wide receiver (like what Joyner said).

Chicago has tried a lot of things to get teams to play Olsen like a TE and it’s not working and the more there is out there about Olsen, the less and less he’s going to be able to get those Safety and Linebacker matchups he can exploit.

The most confusing strategey Chicago tried was lining him up in the back field in a Fullback position like they’ll do with Manumaleuna. It was disasterous.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Mar 26, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

they're pumping up his value with this talk

there were once whispers of CHI asking for a 2nd round pick for Olsen…and this seems like they’re doing some salesmanship

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by Ryan Van Bibber on Mar 26, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can Scheffler run block?

I always thought of him as a split TE, but I sure could be wrong. Just curious.

by andyrose on Mar 26, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't think either of these guys can run block

I know a TE needs to be a receiving threat in the West Coast Offense but it’s important to get a guy who can run block too. i don’t think either of them are what the Rams need…and especially not at the expense of a valuable pick like #33

by IrishRamsFan on Mar 26, 2010 11:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Hopefully one day they can run a West Coast Offense

 they didn’t last year. I think the playcalling last year was somewhat hampered by injuries and inexperience in the receivers/TEs. Hopefully this year they’ll have the development, and health/depth that allows them to open up the passing game a little more. Steven Jackson would be so much more effective if the other team actually had to cover the passing game too.

The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!

by CoachConnors on Mar 26, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

If I had to pick between the two, I’d take Scheffler. Probably becasue I know less about him (I recognize that isn’t a good thing).

But neither really fits what you’d really want a true TE to do.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Mar 26, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but
Scheffler, who was tendered at the second round level

Too high of a price for my taste considering we pick first in the round…

by Le Ram on Mar 26, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

You wouldn't have to give up a 2nd round pick in a trade.

There’d be no point to the trade.

The idea of a trade would happen since they don’t have plans for him and no other team is willing to give up the required pick. In this case, they’d look to get the best deal they could for him and if that’s a 4th round pick and they really want to get rid of him, then he could be had for a 4th round pick.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Mar 26, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trading the 2nd pick would be a bad idea

Bajema, Fells, and a mid to late draft pick could fill out the unit for atleast this year. We have to many needs to blow a 2nd pick on a TE. If we take Bradford 1st overall then I would expect a defensive pick coming with the 33rd pick. DT or OLB. -Spoon or Price would be good if they fell out of the first.

by biggilybird on Mar 26, 2010 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Funny thing. We need a TE that can catch and block.

I suspect we’ll have to look to the draft. But the number 2 pick should be reserved for the best OLB available. JL has got to have some help on at least one side.

by RamChop on Mar 26, 2010 3:45 PM CDT reply actions  

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by California Mobile CPR on Mar 26, 2010 11:30 PM CDT reply actions  

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by California Mobile CPR on Mar 26, 2010 11:33 PM CDT reply actions  

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