The Curious Case of the #1 Pick
I've had a question that's been rattling around my brain for awhile on what the Rams should do with the #1 pick. More specifically: who should they pick? Disregarding trading down, the Rams ultimately have two options. They can either draft their quarterback of the future (most likely Sam Bradford, less likely Jimmy Clausen) or a new and shiny defensive tackle (Ndamukong Suh or Gerald McCoy) to go along with that old, dinged-up one (Adam Carriker).
Whoever is graced as the #1 pick will almost certainly be the new highest paid player in the league. Which is a daunting idea in itself. Do the Rams draft a player based on the possibility of "more upside" (Sam Bradford or Gerald McCoy) or do they go with a player who is a more "pro-ready" player (Jimmy Clausen or Ndamukong Suh)? This 'conventional wisdom' people speak of has been strongly suggesting the earlier of the two. In fact, everyone and their mother has the Rams drafting Sam Bradford in about a month (everyone also had Kansas winning March Madness, but that's a totally different story...I'm also smiling because I have Syracuse and Kentucky in the final, but most likely picked the wrong team to win it all, especially after Syracuse spanked Gonzaga).
Let's first go over the DT's, since nobody seems to care about them anymore (damn you Adam Schefter!!). On one side, you have Ndamukong Suh, and on the other, Gerald McCoy. There isn't any point in going over stats, it has been done countless times before. Regardless of whether you agree or not, the notion of picking one over the other is ultimately a difference in drafting philosophy. Ndamukong Suh is thought to be more of a pro-ready prospect, someone who can play almost anywhere on the defensive line and do it well, from day one. People knock his pass rushing technique. I'd up the ante even further; while it hasn't really been said, I'd think that the Gerald McCoy lovers think this is reminiscent of 2008 (Dorsey vs. Long), where there were some hesitations because Chris Long "peaked" in college (that he didn't have as much upside as Dorsey did). As for those who prefer the House of Spears, Gerald McCoy may have better technique, or more upside, but upside doesn't win games, production does. You can have all the upside in the world (Gholston, JPP, all eyes are on you), but that simply doesn't mean squat in the NFL.
The same goes for the two QB's. Mostly everyone on this site knows what I think about Jimmy Clausen. He's not perfect, but he's experienced. He had a hell of a junior year. He didn't come from a spread offense. He didn't have a good offensive line, and had to deal with a ton of injuries to the players around him. If that last one isn't a dead ringer for the Rams, I don't know what is. But then a curious thing happened- everyone remembered that other guy, Sam Bradford, and said, wait a minute! He's in the draft!? and down Jimmy Clausen went. He isn't even considered anymore as the top pick. 3k has him going 4th, but I've seen him go as low as 30th. All because Sam Bradford has more "upside". That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it sure is dangerous. Bradford has taken snaps under center, and any QB worth his salt (or worth 40 million guaranteed) could sure learn. But the facts are facts. He came from a spread offense. He's had major injuries. He has first round talent around him. Those aren't bad things, and you can't knock him for the players the team put around him. But what happens when he changes systems? What happens when he joins the Rams, devoid of talent? He's the better athlete, he's more prototypical in size, according to the "experts" at least. But the NFL is going to be very different, and success in college doesn't mean success in the NFL (Tim Tebow).
Quite simply: are the Rams making a mistake by drafting for upside (supposing that they do listen to everyone)? It's a tough call. It could either work out and everyone is happy or the entire Rams coaching staff and front office gets fired. Jimmy Clausen and Ndamukong Suh would probably have a bigger impact on next season then Sam Bradford and Gerald McCoy. One has been dominant all year in the trenches, the other put up insane numbers in a west coast system. But the other two players could be better down the road. It's that damn "upside".
So what is your call? Do the Rams draft based on upside or not?
P.S. I'm not saying that Sam Bradford and Gerald McCoy will have better careers, only that people believe they can be elite players. Ndamukong Suh and Jimmy Clausen seem to have dropped in the rankings and on draft boards because they don't have as much "upside", even though they had phenomenal seasons.
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we all know
that Bradford needs a line and Clausen has put up #‘s with out one
the Rams went threw 3 QB’s last year,i hope were better up front
but thats wishful thinking i’m sure we’ll go threw 2 if not 3 again
thats why im on LeFevour band wagon he’s got wheels and could run for his life, lol
we could draft him some weapons then pick him up in a later round
please Rams don’t blow are 1st round pick again,we need a play maker
that can start from day one
who ever they pick
i hope they take a page out Bill Parcells book
and have who ever they pick signed befor draft starts
would be nice to have him signed and in camp on time
If the Rams like Clausen better
They need to trade down because it’s very possible he’d be a reach at No. 1.
Some very wise people have all said that Bradford is better. I don’t think it’s fair to discount him because he played behind a good line and took half his snaps from shotgun.
And it’s possible he would’ve been a Ram last April if he came out, so it isn’t like people are suddenly discovering him.
Just a quick correction as far as money goes...
…there is no way in hell that Suh or Gerald McCoy will be the highest paid player in the league even if they’re drafted at 0 (before 1 on the number line). Only QBs command that kind of money. A DT at #1 will probably get around the same area as an LT at #2 or #3, so the Jason Smith 62 Million dollar deal or the Jake Long 58 Million dollar deal is more of a parameter. Bradford or Clausen on the other hand would command around 73-75 Million, with up to (gulp) 45 million guaranteed. Essentially, the price tag on a DT #1 vs a QB #1 is about 7-10 Million dollars cheaper give or take for a DT. Especially when Tom Condon (Stafford) is representing Sam Bradford.
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by TrojanRam on Mar 23, 2010 9:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Are we talking draft here?
Or a Multi-Pro-Bowl Free-Agent in his prime that signed with DAN-BLEEPING-SNYDER’S team of all places? Come on now. There is no way a DT is getting better than LT money. At best, he’s going to top Jake Long’s deal if he goes #1. If a DT goes #2, you can bet it’ll be in the mid-50s at best.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Mar 24, 2010 2:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
To me it doesn't matter
an agent sees that contract, and says I want that for my player.
The House of Spears reigns supreme
Why is it that people
keep saying that Clausen didn’t have talent around him? I watched a lot of ND football this year…if watching football with the girlfriend is considered quality time, I’m on board even if it is overhyped ND against average teams.
Back to the team…That offensive line was a veteran group that was actually solid. They did occasionally have trouble (Arthur Jones anyone??). Hell, after that ND game Kiper shot Jones up his board and made him a top 25 prospect. That should give people somewhat of an idea of what these “experts” think of the O-line. For the most part they kept Jimmy clean and on his feet.
Now, let’s look at the skilled positions-
Michael Floyd-WR
Golden Tate-WR
These two guys were Jimmy’s safety blankets (Floyd when healthy). Tate is a late 1st round/early 2nd round talent, while Floyd is a 1st round talent (has the size to compliment the skill set). So the guy has 2 WRs that are possible 1st round talents and he is said not to have been surrounded by talent?
Quite frankly, I thought Tate made Clausen look much better this year. He adjusts to the ball so well. He uses what frame he has to give him the best chance to come down with the ball. He has great hands to go with his well timed-ran routes . More importantly Tate made things happen after the catch (Please tell me you remember that Stanford game). He also made sure that if he wasn’t getting the ball, neither was the defender. There is no doubt Clausen is a good player, however I don’t think he lacked surrounding talent. 2 WRs and an OT will be accompanying Mr. Clausen to the NFL.
I still don’t think he is a good pick for us.
You have to start a 1st pick overall
Whoever the Rams pick in the first slot is going to have to start right away. There will be too much pressure on the coaches not to start the first pick overall. Does anybody disagree? I would think they would go with the player that’s ready. Not only ready, but what the team is ready to support. Can our line give enough protection to a QB? For a new QB to learn and grow? Or will it create another David Carr situation (too many hits before he could develop)?
I don't think they have to start a QB right away
if they pick him first. I think they can manage the publicity and point out he is learning the system and will be ready “soon”. We all know whatever QB is there is going to see some serious pass rush, so why risk him before he’s ready? I’d be quite happy with that. Only people who don’t think it through would be demanding that he start right away.
That wasn't the question
The question isn’t should they bench Bradford. The question will they bench
Bradford? Most fans don’t think things through. After talk of Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Matthew Stafford, and Mark Sanchez, how is the average fan able to think things through?
by Drunk Keebler on Mar 24, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I disagree that you start the guy right away...
…especially if the Rams draft either QB. Why put a rookie who is only learning out there when Feely could start the season and give the QB time to learn? Also I think that if either DT is picked they will begin the season as part of a rotation to give them a chance to bed in and get up to speed. You can be sure that neither DT faced the calibre of OL every week in college they will face in the NFL
by IrishRamsFan on Mar 24, 2010 3:24 AM CDT up reply actions
NFL ready all the way.
One question. How can you tell if a player has peaked when he is playing college football and has yet to grace an NFL field?
Great article ram_rod.
I like the way you presented your ideas. My opinion is “who cares if a player has supposedly peaked”. When you draft a guy #1 overall, you have to select a player who is NFL ready, durable, football savy, consistent in his performance and who cannot wait for the next play (whether practice, preseason, regular season or the Super Bowl). You want a guy who cannot get enough of football. Those players are self-motivated to improve. The Rams do not need players like TO, Julius Pepper and Alex Barron; talented but no hunger for the next play – just the next cheque. Get players like London Fletcher who may not be blessed with the best physical attributes but are relentless, heady and durable. I sure wish that Mad Mike had been wise enough to resign London when we had him. Mad Mike you killed the Rams. The Rams defense would never have gotten so bad with London’s tenacity, leadership and energy. Guys like him are what you want on your team – winners who never accept defeat even if their team consistently loses.
And please give Chris Long a break, he isn’t Reggie White but he is a great player. He may not be Julius Peppers either and for that I am very thankful. He has improved every year and will get better with Suh playing on the same line. Forget Bradford. Suh is a monster who will control the line of scrimmage. The opposing QB cannot pass if his pocket keeps collapsing. Unleash the hounds Spags.
Bradford doesnt represent upside
He represents the productive side of things, 90 tds isnt potential…its realized. Clausen is the one that you have to make all the assumptions about. You have to hope that he would have been as productive as Bradford if given the oppurtunity. But you dont know that.
Nor do I believe for a second that
Suh isn’t as polished a pass rusher as Mccoy. Thats a totally BS meme, If Suh gets consistently more pressure then Suh is a better pass rusher regardless of technique.
I don't believe that either
But that’s what the talking heads say. If the Rams are going to listen to any outside sources, it’s going to be them.
The House of Spears reigns supreme
"More NFL ready"
depends on the role. If your upside is AJ Feeley, but your ready to have AJ Feeley’s role right now – would you prefer a player that’s “ready” over a player whose upside is Peyton Manning. I’m not comparing these players to anyone in the draft – I’m just making the point. Both factors should be considerations. Colt McCoy might be a backup in the NFL – but he’s as ready as they come. Should that boost his stock above someone like Jake Locker or Ryan Mallett (I know they aren’t in this draft) – who both have higher upside but may not be as ready for the NFL?
Why is America screwd = Too many showboaters and hollywood face pullers
Enough with the qb face of the franchise crapola. BPA, BPA, BPA!!!!
This DRAFT IS BERRY AND OKUNG over everybody else. Then SUH and MCCOY!
Bradford = major injury
Suh = 2 knee surgeries already
Rams should just get it over with and trade down at this point!
You have to have someone willing to trade up.
No team is willing to trade up to #1 these days with the outrageous contracts the top pick can demand. Once they get a rookie salary scale in place, that will change, but right now I don’t think there is anyone willing to trade with us. Even Cleveland was talking about waiting to see what the Rams do and then maybe trading with Detroit, not considering trading with the Rams.
Trade down to where?
You need a dance partner for that. We’re gonna have an easier time trading our picks in rnd 2 & 3.
Must there be a difference in upside players and ready players?
Maybe I’m the only one who thinks they aren’t mutually exclusive. What is it about ready players that makes one think they have a lesser potential ceiling?
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no there doesnt
i shouldve rephrased that better. I’m not saying Suh and Clausen don’t have any upside, merely that these ‘experts’ think that Bradford and McCoy have more. The same goes the other way; Bradford and McCoy are thought to need a little polish before they are ready, while Clausen and Suh are thought to need less. The question is which is more important?
The House of Spears reigns supreme
by Eric Nagel on Mar 24, 2010 12:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions

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