Question from a Dolphins Fan
by Mosul_DolFan on Mar 19, 2010 12:56 PM CDT
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Hi all. Sorry to jump onto your blog, but I have a question for you guys. Over at The Phinsider, we are conducting our second annual mock draft. Essentially, 32 members of the blog get assigned a team each, and then we conduct a 3-round mock draft. Really, it's a way for us to burn the time before the actual draft starts, but it is interesting to see if we can come at all close to the real draft.
This year, I was assigned as the Rams GM. So, my question to all of you...what needs do you guys have and where do you think your front office will look. Obviously, the rumors of NT vs. Bradford are out there, but what else?
I would like to make this as realistic a draft as possible, and any help you can give would be appreciated. Thanks!
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I'm pretty sure
We’re taking a FB with the #1 overall pick.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Mar 19, 2010 1:23 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Rec
But I may have rec’d too soon…
I was under the impression the Rams needed a long snapper.
by BruinHalo on Mar 19, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
FB?
if we can get our hands on a good waterboy, that can produce some high quality H2O, we’ ve got it made!
"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense
Our needs, let's see...
Maybe it’s easaier to tell you what we don’t need: RT, OG, C, MLB. These are area’s of important need: OLB, TE [catching], QB, DE, OT, & CB.
I’d draft based on BPA rather than team need, if you follow that formula, remember to stay away from RT, OG, C, & MLB. We are rock solid in only those positions, IMO. Now you have to grade the players.
by RamsFan1979 on Mar 19, 2010 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This
Well put
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Mar 19, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Rec'd. We're dead last in the league. We need BPA at virtually all positions.
So far in FA we’ve signed old guys, that other teams didn’t want, for “depth” to go with the bulk of our team which is already composed of late rounders. And, for some reason we just resigned a weak player like Darby at RB. If he’s all we’ve got to backup Jackson, Steven will age rapidly again this season from wear and tear. I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t eventually try to get Incognito back from you guys. Bradford looks like a lock for our number 1 pick. Then I hope we get a good OLB and DT.
I think you mean LT isn't a need
jason smith should be moved over and while it isn’t a must RT is a need. i firmly believe alex barron should be 2nd string behind smith or goldberg.
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
If I'm not mistaken...
…you didn’t list DT as a need. Care to explain?
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by TrojanRam on Mar 19, 2010 7:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Could it be because we have 4 guys at the position?
I think DE and OLB are bigger needs on the def side of the ball.
Scott played well at the end of the season
And Clifton Ryan has been dependable. Robbins is in the rotation and so is gulp carriker. Once again DT is a need but isn’t a #1 overall need
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
You just listed three so-so players and sickly Adam Carriker.
I guess DT is not a critical need as long as we don’t mind getting constantly run on for 150 yards per game and having no pass rush.
So having 3 average defensive tackles justifies taking suh or McCoy for guaratneed $30 million?
A simple yes or no will suffice
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
Yes
Don’t forget that this team ranked 31st in total defense in 2009. Those “average” DT’s, obviously not including 33 yr old Robbins and oft-injured Carriker, couldn’t rush the passer or stuff anybody. Even so, I have no problem with drafting Bradford cause the offense ranked 32nd. We’re bound to improve whether we mainly draft offense or defense.
Do you think that was all
due to our DTs? How about needing a DE and weakside LB? When you are playing 9 on 11 it’s pretty hard for the defense to stop the opponents. Lennon and whoever we played at DE opposite Long did almost nothing.
I’m not saying Suh wouldn’t improve the defense, since he obviously would, but even he couldn’t stop the other team if we don’t have a decent DE opposite Long and a decent WLB.
Animal Jr. did a marvelous job picking up the slack of the defensive line.
But he’s only one good player that has had no help in front or on either side. Since we can’t trade Carriker, I’d try him at his natural position of DE to replace the over-the-hill gang of Hall and Little. Paris Lenon was worthless. That’s why I’ve advocated getting an OLB with our 2nd pick to at least give JL some help back there.
So you agree that DE and OLB
at least as important as another DT, if not more so? I think that’s what others have been saying when they didn’t list DT at the top of our needs list.
What if we got McCulroy and Austen Lane?
Would that be enough to handle our DE need and our OLB need? I’m thinking we need another OLB as well.
We have 7 DT's on our roster
If we take Carriker out and insert him on the LDE we have a descent 6 man rotation. IMO it’s not a need as much as desire.
I don't think all 7 of those DTs will be on the roster.
Douzable and Bradwell don’t really count.
Ryan, Scott, Robbins, Gibson, and Carriker make a decent rotation even if you want to move Carriker to DE at times.
My two cents
I’ll try and give some options I could see the Rams going in the first three rounds:
1st – Bradford or Suh, possibly McCoy or Clausen
2nd – Depending on who gets drafter where, I could see them taking a DE such as Griffen from USC or Graham from Michigan. Possibly a reciever such as Benn, Tate, or Williams. Possible they could take an OLB such as Kindle or Washington.
3rd – could go many ways here depending on 2nd pick. I could see an OLB such as Bowman, a change of pace back like McCluster, a TE such as Hernandez, or a cornerback such as Cook from Virginia.
Hope this helps.
by Ramfan from Seattle on Mar 19, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions
If you will read some of the threads here
you will get a good feel for what people feel. Among other things you will see the Rams have lots of needs. You will also see that we are all firmly convinced half the guys posting on here are wrong about who we should take. Some feel we should go offense, some feel defense. Some want Suh, some want Bradford. There is no agreement on who we should take.
Those who want offense feel we should take a QB, a TE, an OL, and a back-up RB, among others. Those who want defense feel we should take a DT, DE, and one or two OLB, with maybe a CB thrown in.
In the end you won’t get much help from us in forming a consensus on who we should draft.
Thanks for your input.
I know how you guys feel on the needs everywhere piece. After the 1-15 year we had in ’07, it was pretty bad.
Hope you guys can turn it around.
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It's pretty much split between...
…those who believe having the 27th worst run defense and 29th worst total defense (Suh advocates) is worse than having the 28th worse passing offense and 29th total offense (Bradford advocates).
It’s pretty much the fundamental offense vs defense question. We have an average QB and average DTs. There’s nothing to really distinguish which is a more pressing need if you ask me.
It boils down like this:
Bradford advocates believe that the Rams should usher in a new era of hope with a new Quarterback who was an absolute stud before his season was hampered by injuries. They believe that the Quarterback of the future must be in place before the franchise turns the corner, and Bradford certainly looks the part. The man put of record numbers at Oklahoma, has a lightning quick release, fantastic accuracy, can throw on the run, can throw in your face, can walk in your building and take the pride out of your place. Not to mention he bulked up and aced his Wonderlic.
Suh advocates on the other hand believe the Rams should take a once a decade chance on a player that can anchor their defense for years to come, building on successes drafting James Laurinaitis and, yes, Chris Long in the last two drafts. They believe that a block-eating, gap-holding, QB Killing Run Stuffer can not only make plays but make it easier for the aforementioned young players to fulfill their respective potentials in hopes of crafting a dominant defense behind Spagnuolo’s architectural mind. They believe dominant defensive lineman, of which the Rams have a rich history of Hall of Famers, can negate the ever offensively-inclined NFL Teams with the right Scheme, one they are confident Spagnuolo has crafted and can perfect given the right personell.
In my estimation, that’s where both camps stand. I stand in the Suh camp, but I hope it’s clear I at least understand the reasoning behind Bradford. Look at both descriptions and make your pick using that and whatever other posts on the site. Among Rams’ fans, it really can’t be any closer. Just know that, for the most part, everyone will welcome whoever the FO decides to select, regardless of how tense the debates have become.
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by TrojanRam on Mar 19, 2010 7:37 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Damn!
Trojan, Hit it right on the friggin head. All BS aside that pretty much what it is. Great post
by johnniewarthawg on Mar 19, 2010 8:50 PM CDT reply actions
i think this what rams needs next year
1st Round DT Ndamukong Suh
2nd Round OLB Sean Weatherspoon or Jerry Hughes or Navorro Bowman
3rd Round QB Tony Pike OR TE Ed Dickson
4th Round OT Jared Veldheer
5th Round DE Brandon Lang or CJ Wilson
5th Round OG Shawn Lauvao
6th Round CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah or Jamar Wall
7th Round TE Nathan Overbay OR QB Zac Robinson
(it depends on 3rd. selection)
7th Round S Kendrick Lewis or Robert Johnson
7th Round CB Jorrick Calvin or Patrick Stoudamire
i hope this help you!
I'm not niave. I understand that our run d was awful and so was the pass d
But who remembers the 49ers game at the end of the season? Who remembers the bears game? Who remembers the redskins game? Who remembers the saints game? the defense played their hearts out and made stops and the offense didn’t do jack shit. So If you have DT ranked higher on you list so be it but you know what I’m saying is true because you all witnessed it last season
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Interesting discrepancy in the stats
Rams were outscored by the whole league (well, except for the Lions). Although some people say they were 31st in “Defense”, there is no stat for “Defense”, but yes the D was 31st in points allowed.
Compare this to the fact that they were 20th in yards allowed per rush. (4.4 yards, along with 3 other teams). 16th is obviously firmly in the middle of the 32 teams, and the 16th ranked team allowed 4.3 yards per carry
That .1 is the smallest increment they measure.
Which is to say the Rams run stopping was completely average by this stat.
Usually I’m a big proponent of having the best possible run defense in yards per carry, but we’re obviously not dealing with the average team here and at such an extremely low level, little things means alot. The stat would seem to indicate a more potent offense would be more valuable than a better run stopping ability. Even more pressure on the other team’s passing would be more valuable than a better run stopping ability.
That’s not to say Bradford or Clausen is a better chouce than Suh, because that really is a question about the players and not the team they’re going to. But it does point towards what is possibly the most needed of the needs.
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by CoachConnors on Mar 22, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Mar 22, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
So, I took Suh with the first pick
Probably look to see what QBs are in the second and go that route there….maybe try to stretch to the 3rd and go after Pike or…
What do you guys think of Dan Lefevour? Not much discussion of him over at The Phinsider, bu we aren’t looking QB this year.
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Just me, I doubt they take a QB other than round 1 or 2
and only because round 2 is still #33 overall.
I think it’s QB very high or QB next year, probably the first one because there’s too much of a hole there and the coach is a defense guy. It’s probably just me, but I think an offensive specialist might be more willing to dig deeper in the draft for a QB to develop, but they already have a project guy in Null. I’d be very surprised if it’s not Bradford, Clausen or 2011. On the other hand, I bet Spagnuolo is salivating over the depth of defense in this draft.
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by CoachConnors on Mar 22, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what I thought too
Plus, you guys are already building the defense with Long and Laurinaitis, so there’s a positive already there. I really would like to go QB in round two, but I’m not sold on McCoy. I like him, and I saw him play in person, but I’m just not sure…something makes me not want to draft him. We’ll see.
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by Mosul_DolFan on Mar 22, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless Bradford messes up his pro day,
it’s a done deal the Rams will take him. You don’t see them flying to wherever Suh and McCoy are to talk further in depth with them like they did Bradford. I think most analysts are coming to the same conclusion – Bradford is going to be the pick unless something bad shows up March 29. I’m not saying whether I think that is good or bad, I’m just saying I think it’s a fact.
Its way too early to decide that
But, help yourself.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Mar 23, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a month until the draft
“You don’t see them doing” whatever…but there are weeks to go
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Mar 23, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
For some reason
there is a tendancy for guys (not neccessarily you) to feel that players they have seen in person are worth drafting. I don’t know if it’s just because they want to mention that they have seen them in person or there was some emotional influence that they don’t even recognize or what it is. But I’ve noticed a trend in guys saying “I’ve seen him, he’s good.” I don’t mean to sound smartass or like this applies to you, only that you reminded me of it
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Mar 23, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
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