Jake Locker did not get a first round grade for the 2010 NFL Draft
According to a source citing the Advisory Committee. More telling, perhaps, is this condemnation of Todd McShay's hype:
"The problem I have with people like McShay saying stupid things is parents and others who 'advise' these kids think McShay knows what he is talking about...This stuff happens every year and we have to deal with the broken hearts because people who don't know what they are talking about put visions of grandeur into young players' heads."
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I both McShay and Kiper
they think they know everything. Granted, fortune telling is a pretty hard job, but they let it go to their heads…
The House of Spears reigns supreme
The problem
is that Locker is a projection player. His hype (which started before he decided to go back to school) was predicated on things he hadn’t done, but that he is projected to be capable of doing. Based on his arm and his delivery, he can make any throw in the book…but he hasn’t. Blame it on his offensive line (like Mallett) or his WRs (like Snead), but he hasn’t made the throws that Bradford did in 2008 or that Clausen did in 2009. There’s just no way you can give a junior a first round grade before he’s put all the parts together.
That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if he puts it all in one package by next year. I’m bigger on Mallett, but Locker is definitely a top-tier QB prospect going into the 2011 draft at this point.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
that is one of the better reasonings ive heard in awhile.
well done. Your exactly right
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Have you seen Stanford's Andrew Luck play?
Just curious on your thoughts on him. I think his name should be mentioned more. I think it’ll be interesting to see how he plays with the Gerhart threat gone.
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by TrojanRam on Mar 18, 2010 7:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I like Luck
As you mention, this is a big season for him, but I like his tools. Locker, Mallett, Ponder, and my wild card, Nick Foles from ’Zona.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Mar 18, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Im not saying that Luck isn't going to be REALLY good - or even Foles but
(well, Foles to a much, much…much lesser extent) but I think that all the hype Luck is getting is about a year too early as it relates to the NFL. He has 1 yr starting under his belt as a RS Freshman in a heavily run 1st offense. Yes he has potential and the tools but even if he has a good to great ‘10 season where he will be featured more frequently – he will still only be a RS Soph and you just don’t see RS Sophs come out early at the QB spot. The only ones I can even think of are Vick and Tommy Maddox (Marinovich????).
Free Brandon Wood!
well Case Keenum can make all the throws and put it all together his sophomore and junior years so far...
ok ima blow your mind but most people are down on Keenum because he plays for a smaller school or whatever thats fine but let me just state this case…..In 2008 against an 11th ranked Oklahoma state, Sam Bradford put up these numbers 30-44 370 yards passing 4 tds 16 rushing yards and 1 td his junior year pretty impressive i know and that was his junior season….Now take a look at Keenums stats against a 5th ranked Oklahoma State team 32-46 366 yards passing 3tds and 1 interception 16 yards rushing and 1 td his junior year as well……those who say Keenum is on a worse team than OU his numbers certainly were pretty similiar to Bradfords and without any injury to his shoulder…..take that for what you will but in the end id rather have the guy thats less of a liability
didn't the hype
start after the win over USC? then everybody slowly realized that it wasn’t that hard to beat USC this year and Locker had a knee that could explode any second? (no offense TrojanRam)
by mooseknuckles41 on Mar 18, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Most of us on the west coast have known about Locker since his freshman year
He never has had any support. He’s been a one man show since day one. The scary thing is he’s getting good at it. He made it through this last season relatively injury free. They didn’t just beat USC they made it to a bowl game. All they had was Locker and an improved defense.
After having given it thought,
I now believe it was a good thing for him to return, to work with Sarkesian for another year. He may not have been drafted, but if he was, it may have been by us. Lets see, that would mean working with Dick Curl. I still can’t type his name with a straight face. I wish I had the mind of someone older than 12. We couldn’t be anybodys dream job.
but ...
is he in this years draft? If not then Bradford is still the best QB in this draft.
no he wasnt
every one was split on leaf and manning. there isnt any debate on Bradford being better than all the other QBs this year..or last year for that matter
mallet
to me Mallet’s another talented kid who still has to put it together, re: Locker.
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I would say
Mallet has less to put together than anyone else in his class. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he’s the first QB in the 2011 draft; just to cover my own ass, there’s a lot of time between now and then.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
what the fuck ever.....
Keenum passed for 5020 yards and 44 tds his sophomore year and then 5671 yards and 44 tds his junior year…mallet passed 3624 yards and 30 tds in one year of playing college qb but he has less to put together than anyone??…… im no mathematician but i know when one number is better than the other…please explain this one because right now your making no sense thus losing all credibility ive ever had for you
prepare yourself from a proper schooling from 3k..
but, things I question about Keenum:
a. he’s listed some places as 6’2, and other places as 6’1. which means he’s 5’11.
b. he plays in a flag football-style offense
c. questionable footwork
d. his first name is a noun
e. profootballfanspot.com scouting compares him to graham harrell and chris leak (wtf?)
f. plays against CUSA competition
g. his first name is an item. seriously, i can’t get over this.
by mooseknuckles41 on Mar 19, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions
i would be okay with him schooling me....
if he would just give me some reasons behind why he thinks mallet has less to put together than anyone…..at least you give me some reasons why Keenum couldnt be although im not sure what his name has to do with anything…..
One small, slight, almost neglible reason why Mallett may have much less to put together
This might be nitpicking, but since I know about it I’ll offer it to the group.
Someone mentioned worthless stats…I think stats are a little more relevant, and for those of you who care about numbers, Mallett owns most of the important school records at Arkansas, such as:
- Most passing yards in a season (3,627),
- most consecutive passes without an INT (# unknown to me, but I love this record)
- most passing yards in a game (408),
- most passing touchdowns in a game (5 TDs, did it three times),
- only quarterback to pass for over 400 yards in a game (did it twice),
- most pass plays of 25 or more yards in a season,
- most passing TD in a single season (30).
But anyone can list stats, and not everyone cares about them. Without Keenum’s, they dont mean much…..‘hell, even with Keenum’s they wouldn’t, so let’s look deeper into what his tools are and what he does with them.
The "most pass plays of 25 or more yards "…could that be because he had a lot of time to throw? Possible. Of course, it could also be that this dude has such a freaking cannon that his recievers would have to bring 2 pairs of gloves to practice because his balls would rip the grip right off of them before they got through the workout. Sounds like an urban myth <until you hear his Tight End DJ Williams tell it.
Brute strength not your cup of tea? Then consider the fact the he owns the world’s largest crystal football trophy! Wait….what?
The world’s largest crystal football trophy is awarded by the College Football Performance Awards Commitee to the players that have the greatest impact on their team. The commitee uses a rigorous scientific analisys to determine who was a product of the talent around them, and who was actually talent.
from the About page: The purpose of the College Football Performance Awards is to provide the most scientifically rigorous conferments in college football. Recipients are selected exclusively based upon objective scientific rankings of the extent to which individual players increase the overall effectiveness of their teams.
Mallett won the top spot among all college players, of any position, and it takes into account (or "controls") his teammates.
But Case Keenum isn’t far behind! While he hasn’t been known to rifle a Wide’s gloves off, he did win almost the same award Mallett did, but only in the QB category, and with one very important difference: no control considered for his teammates. That means his teammates contributions are not seperated out as they do for the overall winner.
The explaination about the differences in the different awards can be found right here: http://collegefootballperformance.com/methodology/overview/.
They have several categories. Other winners include Pitta for TE, Brandom Graham for DL and Jahvid Best for RB.
There’s a lot of debate over things like "Yeah but that guy played behind that line", or "he had those receivers." This scientific analisys essentially takes that out of the argument in a very clean way, and says he had the biggest impact on his team winning than any other player in college.
I know some of you will think this is quackery but I find it fun.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Mar 19, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Forget the stats, Dante
If it was all about stats, Kliff Kingsbury would have been drafted first overall. Colt Brennan would have been a huge draft day prospect. Hell, if it’s a Houston thing, their old r&s put David Klingler and Andre Ware on the map.
Stats aren’t everything, especially classic stats.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Mar 19, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
then what do you base your reason on?
have you met the guy personally? you like his workout habits? and if your ignoring stats then anyone is the next Peyton Manning…well regardless all the people that are high on the rams trading for Kevin Kolb should know that he played for the exact same school and exact same system Keenum plays for
I think they use stats
to do an initial cut, but after that it’s about what the scouts see and what the F.O. sees on tape. I amagine they are looking to see if he made all the throws an NFL QB has to make, how was his decision making and his accuracy, how was his footwork, his ability to read the defense, how tough were the defenses he played against, etc. If he doesn’t measure up on those things, both on tape, at the Combine, and in his pro day, the chances are he won’t get drafted in an early round if at all. There have been quite a few QBs with great stats that didn’t make it at all in the NFL.
these
are much more important than stats
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
To be sure..
I was high on the Rams trading for Kolb because he has great size, a great arm, great flashes in real NFL games, and has studied under a great quarterback in an offense that resembles our own. Not because he went to Houston.
There are reasons why guys like Chase Daniel, Harrell, and Colt Brennan aren’t starting quarterbacks. Although I think Keenum deserves a chance next year to show the pro scouts what he can do, it’s not likely that his skills would translate to the pro game for immediate impact. See above re: Kevin Kolb.
by mooseknuckles41 on Mar 19, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I watched Mallet a little bit last season.
To me his decision making and accuracy have a long way to go. His size and arm are very good, but without the other stuff he isn’t gonna be a top NFL QB.
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