Rams bringing in Damian Williams and Colt McCoy for April visits
by VanRam on Mar 16, 2010 2:38 PM CDT
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The draft is just about a month away, and during that time the St. Louis Rams, like every other team, will be attending pro day events and bringing up to 30 of the top players on their draft board into the Gateway City for a visit as part of their due diligence.
A couple of interesting names on the list for an STL trip thus far include USC receiver Damian Williams and Texas quarterback Colt McCoy. Both players will visit Rams Park on April 13 and 14, according to this report...and this one.
Both players could figure into the Rams plans for their second round pick, #33, the first pick of the round. I know we have lots of Trojan fans on this site, so I'll let those of you who've seen him play talk more about him. What I know about Williams, besides the Mitch Mustain saga, is that he's a polished route runner with good hands. He reminds me of Torry Holt. I know that there will be some tough decisions to make at #33 with the kind of talent that will be available.
Colt McCoy comes with all kinds of questions and criticisms, too small, spread quarterback, not enough arm, etc. He'll throw for the first time since his 2009 injury at Texas' pro day on March 29. Where McCoy goes in the draft remains to be seen; mock drafts put him anywhere between the early second and late third round. He'd be on the Rams radar if they opt for Ndamukong Suh or Gerald McCoy with the first overall pick.
Scouts from the Rams were also on hand to watch Youngstown State WR Donald Jones. The Gateway Conference receiver ran the 40-yard dash in 4.49 seconds. Jones is a good route runner with nice hands who impressed teams at the Combine this year. Right now, he's projected to be a 6th round pick at best.
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To be honest..
I would be more ecstatic about picking Suh with the 1st pick and Colt McCoy with #33 than picking Sam Bradford with the 1st pick.
NachoD had a good post titled “Why Not Colt McCoy”
and that’s a good question..
Yeah, he does have so many questions about his ability to be any teams’ franchise quarterback, but he also has so many upsides to him.
So i ask this question with hope that it could be answered with support: why not Colt McCoy?
His arm strength is very limited
is one reason. I don’t know where he compares to the likes Brees or Pennington, pretty tough to say. But if I was filling the starting QB spot with that high a pick, I’d put strong arm on the list of things he should have. Decision making would be my “most wanted” quality
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Mar 16, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
But like it says in the comments for the other post,
McCoy was one of the most accurate QBs in college football, and THE MOST winningest in history. In a westcoast style offense which is based around a run anyways, arm strength isn’t top priority. I’d say leadership and accuracy is top, which he has proved.
did you ever watch kyle orton?
he was accurate but when he HAD to go deep in comeback situations, the broncos never stood a chance.
I'm just answering your question
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Mar 16, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Accuracy vs. Decision Making
I put decision making ahead of accuracy because you can be all the accurate you want, but if you can’t pick out the right throw at NFL speed it’ll be turnover city.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Mar 16, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
which is why
Sam Bradford is feeling the love and Colt isn’t
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Mar 16, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Tebow
has a strong arm…..Do you want him?
by Jas the Mace on Mar 16, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
please
Did I say strong arm was the only thing or even the most important thing? No. I only said strong arm is on my list for a pick that high.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Mar 17, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
no.
i would rather take bradford first than mccoy in the second round. think about all of the hype abotu bradford last year after he won the heisman. just because he got hurt, he still has ALL of that upside that they talked about last year before his injury, which was blown WAY out of proportion. there have been way worse injuries that haven’t been taken as serious as bradford’s. bradford is an amazing prospect, better than matt ryan, joe flacco, mark sanchez and matt stafford. matt ryan had bigger questions with 18 interceptions in his senior year yet a shoulder injury that was taken care of from surgery is still held against bradford for no reason. bradford and clausen are the two most underrated franchise qb prospects this past decade, they are both some of the best prospects i’ve seen in a while but for some reason, people think they won’t be good. colt mccoy has TOO many questions and not enough upside. unless you want a pennington type of player to lead your team, a guy who will get you to the playoffs but won’t ever win you a super bowl, i’d rather go with bradford.
no injury can get blown out of proportion
but thier are players who rebound from them and some who don’t. The thing is Bradford looks like a wounded gazelle when he gets sacked and to think he’s going to be getting hit by sack artists such as freeny, dumervil and jared allen. Sam had a great offensive line and alot of weapons in Oklahoma. Well oklahoma isn’t st louis he’s going to get hit alot ask marc bulger. I’m not saying getting a new qb is not importent but you can have any college player you want with that #1 just make it count.
by keeperskillz24 on Mar 16, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
good point douch :P
I’m not against Bradford, i think he is an amazing prospect and ill be confident in whatever Devaney and Co. decide to do.
But i think Suh is more valuable than Bradford.
i wouldn't mind suh either
but is it really worth paying another defensive tackle a lot of money when it’s not even a need? quarterback is a huge need and after the get rid of bulger, that’s a lot of money they keep.
Hilarious.
“It’s not even a need.”
Really? I’m sorry, but that’s a comedic statement.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Mar 16, 2010 4:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
How can you say DT is not a need?
damn it trojan you beat me to it lol.
by keeperskillz24 on Mar 16, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol.
No worries! It NEEDED to be called out twice.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Mar 16, 2010 5:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
HMMMMMMMMM LoL
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
Someone else on another thread told me the defense didn't need to be improved because it wasn't that bad, and how would I know since I didn't go to St. Luois to wacth the games
Seriously. I kid you not.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Mar 17, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
damian williams
would be a great pick. he’s such a deep threat and has some amazing hands. watch highlights from the usc vs. boston college emerald bowl, he makes catches that are hard for nfl receivers to do. he’s also a huge punt return threat too, he could be such a steal in the second round.
I dont Think WR is a need
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
If he really could be anything like Torry Holt,
he would be a great addition. If we get ourselves a new QB and a top WR, our offense might not stink quite so badly and we might actually score more than 10 points a game.
New QB?
Like Bulger can’t make the throws?…..At least not from his back
I say it’s not the QB, but our O-coordinator…..Were you happy about the playcalling?
3rd and 1 and SJ is on the sidelines….??………
3rd and 15 always seems to be a Draw……….
Sometimes anger at the QB is misplaced, Bulger would be a good tutor for a rookie
by Jas the Mace on Mar 16, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Bradford first
Then Tate or Williams or maybe even price from ucla if he falls
Can closed
by CanofRamz on Mar 16, 2010 5:48 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think Williams has a shot at falling out of the 2nd
This year’s WRs are dropping off boards while the linemen, especially defensively, are rising.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
Fif
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
by Habte E on Mar 17, 2010 12:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What the heck. Itouch is flipping out on me!
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
by Habte E on Mar 17, 2010 12:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Do whats best for value
In such a defense heavy draft, shouldn’t we take BPA and avoid being way down on value? Drafting by need will be a disaster in this climate.Why reach for Bradford at #1? That just allows everyone else to get greater value, while we sell the odd additional season ticket.
Just take BPA at each slot (unless we can trade down) and add as much value and quality as possible to a squad that could use a hefty dose of it. I don’t care if it is McCoy at #33 or Tebow, LeFevour or Pike at #65, or anyone else at #97 get the BPA and do not pander to fans who are unlikely to go to games anyway! A QB will be there at one of our picks.
It would be far worse to come out of this particular draft without the foundation for a great D than to not have a potential franchise QB.
It’s been 5 years since we had a winning season and it could be another 5 if the FO get this wrong.
I say it would be nice to go Suh first then Williams 33rd then after that get best available talent, and hopefully there is still a Price type available, and a good back up to S-JAX and a,uuhhh you get the picture. That being said i still don’t understand why we don’t go with Null and see if he can’t improve his interceptions rate because the heart and arm are there allready, maybe a little more mentoring and a summer camp work with the first team and all the preseason working with the first team just may surprise every Rams fan out there, imagine if he turned out to be th enext coming of greatness at the QB spot, then we would have the beginnings of a stud defense and and a growing offense if we lose Schurer
If practice makes perfect....
Yet nobodies perfect.....
Then why practice ???
If the Rams draft Bradford
I think they are telling us they don’t think Null can improve enough and maybe in a few years he can be like Feely at best. I guess we’ll see.
When we say take the best player available, does that mean regardless of how close two or three guys are in rating and regardless of position? Should we draft a center, for instance, if he has the best rating – even though we have a good center and a backup or two already? And what if the ratings of two or three guys are extremely close? Do we still take the top guy, even if the guy one point behind him in the ratings fills a greater need? I’m just wondering how rigorous this BPA really is.
BPA with common sense then
Obviously, if absolute BPA brought us 4 DT’s or 4 QB’s, that would be taking matters too literally. But realistically, that won’t happen anyway, and we have so many needs that BPA is likely to be a need anyway.
Great example though… C is the only position where we appear to have genuine starter quality and viable back-ups. So okay, take smallest reach available for need if BPA brings a C. All I want to avoid is going down on value, and I personally think the value for Suh is much greater than Bradford.
I have faith that the FO will get this right anyway. If Bradford comes out #1 in the opinion of the FO on a BPA basis, then great.
I hate the W-L record but I do love the first pick in every round
That should help get rooks who can maybe make an impact right away. Maybe.
The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes, lookin hard but won't realize, that they'll never see the C. And when I'm rollin by, you can't see me!
by CoachConnors on Mar 17, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
BPA
I still like Suh at 1 then BPA. BPA usually comes down to many players then you go position of need. I like the 4 pillars; please no more Byrd, Ignocito or Worton.
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