Passing on the future
Alright, the Super Bowl's over and the hype is faded...let's get back to talking draft! Leading off this morning is a thought from a long-suffering fan of the St. Louis Rams, one that surfaced in a letter to the gang over at Walter Football, which they shared in their most recent mock draft. It's focused on the quarterback situation...
Walter, I am very upset by all the draft talk here in St. Louis. It seems like the Rams have already made the selection of Ndamukong Suh and I can't help but feel absolutely helpless and saddened by the whole thing.
We have passed on three franchise quarterbacks in the last four drafts. In 2006, we passed on Jay Cutler, in 2008, we passed on Matt Ryan, and in 2009, we passed on Mark Sanchez. If you look back at those three drafts, each pick we took a so-called safe pick.
In 2006, we took Tye Hill who was supposed to be a frachise shutdown corner with all the physical tools to succeed. In 2008, we opted to take Chris Long who was the for-sure pick of the top players in that draft. He was supposed to be what Suh is going to be, yet he hasn't been. And then comes the 2009 NFL Draft. Sanchez was there, and this team knew they needed a quarterback, yet they took the so-called "safe pick" in Jason Smith who now looks like he may have a severe concussion sydrome that may not allow him to ever live up to his potential.
All three picks were made because the Rams felt they were the safe pick, and all three picks have yet to pan out.
I disagree with a couple things the fan says. First, he overstates Smith's concussion issue. Smith was medically cleared to play at the end of December under the league's strict new rules governing how team's handle players with concussions. He did not play during the last week because he had been sitting out since suffering the concussion in week 11. That's not to say a concussion should be taken lightly and I understand the concern fans have about Smith's status, but he's officially ready to play again. As far as Smith panning out, he proved to be a fast learner and playing well when he was injured, the best tackle on the team for sure, and you could see the difference between Smith and Goldberg filling at on the right side. As far as the decision to choose Smith with the second overall pick, I still think it was the right move, though I might be singing a different song had Stafford still been on the board. The Rams needed a building block offensive tackle. The OL had been the team's crippling weakness for several seasons, and if you don't believe me on that just ask Marc Bulger what happened to his career. Smith was a better pick at the #2 spot, safe or not, than Sanchez, who for some reason seems to be getting way more love than Stafford (wonder if that has anything to do with the teams they play for).
Chris Long is starting to pan out. In fact, he really started to show what he's capable of in the second half of the season, and I think it's reasonable to expect more from him in 2010. That said, it was a pick. The Rams has OT Jake Long on top of their draft board, but Miami scooped him up with the first overall pick. I would have loved to see the Rams draft Matt Ryan, but at that point, Marc Bulger was just one season removed from a career year. He was coming off a bad 2007 season. At that point, however, it was still very reasonable to think that Bulger could still had some mileage left. Ultimately, the decision to not upgrade the OL sooner, helped get us to where we are today. Don't forget about the contract situations then either. That was still the Zygmunt era, and there was no reason to think that the Rams would pay Marc Bulger's hefty contract, in it's second year in 2008, AND the kind of money it would have taken to get a QB with the #2 pick. That would have consumed a plurality of the team's cap. Still, in a more perfect world, Matt Ryan would have been the better choice.
The team's draft decisions in 2006 exemplify the inept management that got the Rams to where they are today. It's still hard to ignore the decision to pass on Cutler. I wonder if the recent statements from Mike Martz about Cutler aren't a little bit of an "I told you so" from the draft room debate back in 2006? (It's just too easy to find the errors in judgement that plagued our drafts. Remember, in 2007 we could have had Darrelle Revis instead of Adam Carriker).
Nevertheless, I can't argue with the fan's frustration at the Rams continually passing on a franchise QB. I'm just not sure how we can justify going forward without a franchise quarterback on board. Maybe that signal caller wouldn't start in 2010, very reasonable to expect that he wouldn't, but he at least needs to be in place, learning the system and ready to take the helm so that the team can start competing as soon as possible. The more I think about it, the more I think that the Rams have to draft a quarterback this year, whether they use the first overall pick or trade down in the draft, the future has to start as soon as possible.
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So he would have been good for the Rams? ;-)
Because he didn’t “look” very good in NY.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Huh?
He also plays behind a line of 4 all-pros. Nuff said.
Yeah....I was being a little sarcastic.
I was just saying that Sanchez didn’t exactly look good so if someone says he’d look different (in St. Louis) than he did in New York, then you must be saying he would have looked good in St. Louis.
We all know, however, that he actually kinda stunk a little in New York (even with the league’s best defense, an amazing O-Line and a really good running game) so he would have looked even worse playing for the Rams.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I think it's easier to justify than you think...
…we’re close to building a good to great defense if you ask me. We need, maybe a corner, an OLB, a DT, and an extra DE. If we can get two of those four needs in the first two rounds, this draft is a success.
On offense, our issues are more extensive. Yeah, there’s still some random few (myself) that think there’s something left in #10’s tank. Bash me all you want, but the guy just hasn’t had a chance IMO. That’s beside the point. Assuming I’m in the camp that believes he’s done, and that Null can’t do it either, I’m looking at this draft wondering how we can take a QB over a game changing DT?
Let’s be honest for a moment: we’re not trading out of #1. It’s just not happening. Even the Tampa Bays and Detroits of the world don’t want to trade up because Gerald McCoy will likely be sitting there when they draft anyway. So that would leave us with, in my opinion, Suh or Bradford. It really comes down to the combines and pro-workouts, and if Bradford looks as good as he did at Oklahoma, he’s probably the pick, but as far as I know he isn’t going to be at the combine so it’ll all be based on his OU workout and any private workouts he does for the Rams.
I’ll ask a better question: How can we justify taking a QB #1 overall(a risky proposition in any year) of whom we don’t have solid game tape younger than 15 months, and based on two or three workouts that may or may not go well? We’re talking 75 Million AT LEAST based on the Stafford deal, with at least 45-50 Million in guaranteed money, and a potential 80 Million total based on incentives. For a guy who didn’t play all year?
I just don’t see how that can be justified, especially if we can get Suh for a deal that resembles the Jake Long deal from a couple of years ago, or even our own Jason Smith’s deal from last year. Jake’s was 5yrs/57.5 Mill with 30 Mill Guaranteed, Jason’s was 5/62(incentive based) with 33 Guaranteed. I’d say the most they could push the Suh deal up to, considering that he’s a DT and not an OT, is 5/65, 35-40 guaranteed. Saves money, and even if he was healthy, I’m not sure Bradford is as dominant at QB as Suh was at DT this year.
We’ll see what happens, but again, it’s still just February. We’ve still got a ways to go. It’s all speculation right now, but to me taking the best D-Line prospect in 20 years as Kiper says, for less money, seems more justifiable than taking Bradford right now. Please don’t ask me about Jimmy Clausen. He is Matthew Stafford’s only rival for “d-bag of the year.” Talented, but nay. Give me Bradford and his bum shoulder before you give me Clausen.
This front office will not pull the trigger on a QB just because they think the might need one someday, they’ll do it if they feel the RIGHT guy is there, worthy of #1. At least that’s what I hope Billy D/Spags do. Go Rams!!!
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Feb 9, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
great post trojan
I feel the same way I just can’t word it that well haha. I really feel this defense is going to be a real power house the next few seasons. And this years draft has alot more defensive play makers then offensive to me so its a safer bet taking these guys that can actually do something then a question mark with a + on his draft stock. I’m not saying in any way that our offense is fine but its younger then our defense and with steven jackson producing these numbers and our receivers showing “potential” we are about 3 to 4 players away from making an offense that can move the ball in some way. Compare to the 2000 ravens shut down D, great running game, and could force turnovers on any play. The quarterback? Trent Dilfer not by any means your typical superbowl qb but he got the job done. So i say draft Suh and second round go for your quarterback.
R.I.P Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan
by keeperskillz24 on Feb 9, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Spot on...
Trojan Ram. The low hanging fruit in the draft are the defense ends and tackles. Thats the drafts strongest area and our weakest on defense. However, I believe the Rams will have a very easy time this year with dealing away the 1st overall pick and will do so. The free agent markets going to be absolutely horrible this year (even worse than previous ones if thats hard to believe). Talent is going to be extremely thin, and the good to even mediocre players are going to be restricted, franchised, or cost a kings ransom to sign since this wll be an uncapped year. In order to get good talent teams are going to do more player trades and trading of draft picks. I predict the Rams will have at least 5 suitors for the 1st overall pick because of Suh and the re-imergence of Bradford in the top 5 (Mel Kiper has indicated that Bradfords shoulder injury isn’t as bad as first thought and he has moved him up his rankings). As we all know the Rams have way too many holes to fill and the temptation to get more draft picks will be too good to resist. If the Rams are smart they will draft defense and get a right tackle for the offense. They can always patch the offense via free agency with what little talent is out there.
Only thing is
This draft is deep in D. So if they go BPA, they may get more D than O.
I mean, I agree that it’ll be a success if we get 2 of the 4 defensive positions you put down….and furthermore, I’ll take a QB and TE for the Dream Draft!
I could think of worse end states
than having spent every single pick on defense in this draft.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Feb 9, 2010 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
We could have had Antonio Cromartie instead of Tye Hill.
“In 2006, we took Tye Hill who was supposed to be a frachise shutdown corner with all the physical tools to succeed”
He had everything except height and height should not be overlooked.
On the court they call me The Cloud, because I make it rain. They also call me Money, because I drop dimes.
I think there is still a chance of trading down with Tampa.
If they really want Suh or McCoy, they had better get ahead of Detroit and the Rams. I would only agree to the trade if they gave us enough (their first and second won’t do it). Assuming that trade happens, we can then take Bradford in the third slot and have two or three very high second round picks to strengthen the defense.
I know nothing is certain, but it’s at least a reasonable scenario.
Hmm so let's see...
Cutler, Sanchez and Ryan… honestly, not extremely impressed with 2 of them… and Matt Ryan is still not completely proven.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
Cutler was a disaster without good receivers (see: Bulger)...
…Sanchez? I go to USC. You’d think I’d pretty up the guy for us to draft him, but I was always adamantly against him. His decision-making isn’t a “rookie mistake,” we used to moan when he made many questionable decisions at ‘SC. I’m happy we drafted Smith, because Sanchez was a mere tourist on the Jets’ playoff run.
Ryan is the best of that bunch, and he took a step back this season, with arguably better personnel (HOF TE).
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
In fairness to Cutler...
…the Bears had serious protection issues. He was mauled a lot.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
Clausen should be the pick
OK why is no one talking about clausen, how many spread offense QB’s have come into the NFL and been successful, not many, we saw it at the senior bowl with all the QBs who played in spread offenses having trouble taking snaps under center, I’m not a Notre Dame fan in fact im USC fan so it pains me to say Clausen is going to be a franchise QB, he played in a pro style offense, was on a shitty team and was able to put up extremely impressive yet overlooked numbers,3,722 yards 28 touchdowns with only 4 ints, not to mention 9.8 yards per attempt with a 68.8 percent completion percentage, this draft is incredibly heavy on DT we can use our first pick in the second round to maybe trade up to the 25-26 range and take Jared Odrick or maybe Dan Williams, maybe Brandon Graham will be there to get Chris Long some help on the other side, we need a QB, its our biggest need we shouldn’t ignore it again, please, and Clausen should be the pick
hindsight is always 20\20
lets stop worrying about the past and worry about this year trade our number 1 pic to denver for marshall there 1st and 3rd rounder draft sam bradford and other than TE our offense is set….then draft weatherspoon, bowman or griffen if still available and get defense in the rest of the draft maybe a tackle in the later rounds and we would have a pretty solid football team
julius peppers wants out of carolina what do you think it would take to pry him?
maybe the 3rd round pick we get from denver?
This is what I've been wondering this whole time...
…what’s his contract situation? Peppers I mean…
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
ahh hell....
i just looked it up and if im not mistaken he is a restricted free agent that would cost us two first round picks to sign
Crap...
…we can’t catch a break! I mean, it would have been difficult to sign him anyway with other teams trying but at least if he was available we could make calls…
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
Peppers
is going to be released from Carolina. If they retain him, it will cost them in the range of 18-20 million. They have already used the franchise tag on him twice and it will go up should they try and use it again. As it was, Peppers consumed 14% of the Panthers salaries. They finally realized they can not afford to keep him around. He is going to demand 12-16 mil a year. I would love to have him, but there is no way that prima-dona is coming to a team that had only 1 win. That was why he was considering New England last year, while asking to be released pre-season.
That's a BIG if...
…he’s got to be lights out at the workouts. He’s already missing the combine…even more ground that Suh is going to gain.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
My heart says no
But my head says yeah. We are one team that Bradford will work out for privately if necessary. We stand to represent his biggest paycheck. If anyone will know about his shoulder it’ll be us. My 2 biggest problems with this: 1. If we don’t trade down we won’t be maximizing value. And 2. my ideal QB will be available next year. of course the problem with that is maybe he won’t be there for us.
Clausen
If we don’t draft Clausen it’s going to kill us when he comes to St louis 2 times a year and lights us up with seattle, and we will be having this debate again in 12 months, ohh we went with the “safe” pick again, how many games did Clausen give ND a big lead only to have the defense give it right back, people argue his attitude isn’t right and hes not a leader, how bout everytime ESPN cut to a ND game its clausen leading the team down the field for a chance to tie or win the game, Bradfords should is way to risky, whats ganna happen when he gets leveled by a 300 pound NFL DT, when it couldn’t hold up against BYU?
Problem is...
that Clausen looks like he’s going to be another head case like Cutler was in Denver. No way the Rams invest the first overall pick in him when he’s not even rated the best on the board at QB, let alone at any position.
2nd round we take a QB
1st Suh
2nd Le Fevour from CMU
3rd Shipley WR from Texas
sorry about the spelling
it’s early yet but these guys could be there for us
Suh will start right of the bat, and make or D better
Le Fevour has talent and the kids has wheels, start him
Shipley they say could fall to the 3rd round and the kid can return for us also
tell me what you guys think maybe i’m pipe dreamin
Lefevour....
is not worth a secong round pick if you want to go that route we could probably grab tate in the 2nd and lefevour in the 3rd although i dont think having a rookie wr would help us any
2nd and 3rd rounds are a bit confusing
LeFevour should be around for our 3rd round pick. As for Shipley, did Amendola not produce enough to keep his spot in 2010?
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Feb 9, 2010 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
#1 pick
Right now I would take Suh at 1 and say Withspoon in rd 2. If someone was willing to trade Suh for G McCoy and Tate; that’s a trade I’d consider. Otherwise, take the most talented players, which happen to be on D which are also postions of need.
I 100% believe.....
that it is worth going into this season with bulger and null so that next year we can grab either Ryan Mallet or Case Keenum next year who are easily a much better talent than anyone in the draft this year
Miketrap3 is right...
I have been arguing the whole time that we need to take Clausen. If we can trade down out of the number slot with Tampa, Washington or Kansas City and get at least one more additional pick early in the second round, we should be able to draft our QB of the future and get 3-4 solid players with the 2nd and 3rd round picks. Guys like Perrish Cox (CB), Brandon Spikes (LB), Sean Weatherspoon (LB) Terrance Cody (DT), Kyle Wilson (CB), Ricky Sapp (DE) and Lamarr Houston (DT) will be able to be taken with some of those picks and players like that will go a long way to bolster the defensive side of the ball. We will need to pick up an offensive lineman or two in the later rounds to protect Clausen and a backup running back and big wide reciever.
All I know is that there is just too much dang talent available in this years draft and the Rams better not blow it by reaching for players like we have done in recent drafts.
just wait
tell the combine Lefevour will step up and dominate
we’ll be lucky to get im 2nd round
mark my words
i’ll bet a milkshake on it

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