NFL Draft Prospects: QB
by stlcardsfan4 on Feb 5, 2010 8:04 PM CST
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PrintThe following are the QB prospects as rated by myself basing it off my eye and other scouting reports. I couldn't find a real good media outlet that has done this already so I'm doing the honors myself. It's complete with reasoning for why he does and doesn't belong in the NFL, their projected round placement, and their "upside" (for the first ten QBs)
I will be doing a weekly featuring with QBs this week, RBs next week, all that will perfectly place themselves the week before the NFL Draft. So get to know the prospects that we could pick before we draft them rather than you find yourself scratching your head saying, "What the hell?" (In other words, every 6th, 7th rounder)
1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners
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Why He Belongs Here: He had a terrific sophomore season, but chose to bypass the NFL Draft in the hopes of a BCS Championship. He has tremendous accuracy throwing for 69.5% in 2007 and 67.9% in 2008. He averages 5.5 TDs before he threw an interception in his Oklahoma career.
Why He Doesnt: Injury concerns (played in three games, one full one in 2009), has a ton of weapons he won't get in the NFL, he was sacked 25 times in three years (he'll likely get sacked that much in one year in NFL)
Upside - I won't be surprised if he's a bust given his great talent around him at Oklahoma, but I certainly won't be surprised if he's a 3 time Pro Bowler either.... hence his upside
Projected Pick: Top Ten
The next 26 QBs are after the jump.
2. Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame Fighting Irish
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Why He Belongs Here: He was sacked 80 times in his career so you know he can take a hit, had a 68% CP in his junior year, improved in every stat this year signaling he's figured it out (3172 yards to 3722; 25 TDs to28; 17 INTs to 4; QB rating of 132.49 to 161.43)
Why He Doesn't: Despite those statistic s, his team went just 6-6 questioning how much of a difference he made to what was assumed to be a talented team, went 16-21 as a starter, has a cocky attitude (somewhat unwarranted), less than ideal size at 6'2
Upside - Given his stats, he could be great and it depends on whether that cocky attitude can become Phillip Rivers or not
Projected Pick: Top Ten
3. Tony Pike, Cincinnati Bearcats
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Why He Belongs Here: He's got more than ideal NFL size at 6'6, 225, led Cincinnati team to the Sugar Bowl, could pick up NFL offense easy with his intelligence, very adept at moving in the pocket (something Rams desperately need)
Why he Doesn't: He didn't face elite competition and when he did.... Sugar Bowl 2010, doesn't have a particularly strong arm, was inconsistent throughout his tenure at Cincinnati
Upside - Tons especially considering he's projected a second round pick... bust here and it won't hurt u as much as a 1st round pick
Projected Pick: 2nd round
4. Dan Lefevour, Central Michigan Chippewas
Why He Belongs: Think Tebow, with NFL size (6'3, 225), right-handed (teams prepare assuming this), and a better passer (69.7%), He accumulated better stats in his four years than Tebow, a playmaker with his legs (737 per year, 47 TDs) and arm (3,226 per year, 102 TDs)
Why He Doesn't: He plays in Michigan and it isn't Ann Arbor, doesn't have a strong arm, he'll need more seasoning to adjust to the competition
Upside: Honestly, pretty high, it all depends on how he adjusts to the competition, but he made plays in CM
Projected Pick: 2nd round
5. Colt McCoy, Texas Longhorns
Why He Belongs: He's a winner with the most wins ever by a QB in college football, has extremely good accuracy with 70% CP and 76% CP the past two seasons, is 3-1 in bowl games and the one loss stems from a 1st quarter injury
Why He Doesn't: He doesn't have a strong arm, he may have played with too many good weapons that pad his stats
Upside: Despite that one weakness, his upside isn't thought to be too great
Projected Pick: 2nd round
6. Jevan Snead, Ole Miss Rebels
Why He Belongs Here: He has a quick release, and a strong arm (something lacking in most of the other QBs), very good pocket awareness, he is a mobile QB who will run if necessary, ideal size at 6'4
Why He Doesn't: He was not consistent during the season, he transferred from Texas after losing job out to Colt McCoy, unlike McCoy has a lack of experience of only two years, very poor accuracy with 54.4%
Upside: With him completing no more than 56% of his passes in college, why would that change in NFL... upside is in arm strength and size
Projected Pick: 2-3 rounds
7. Tim Tebow, Florida Gators
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Why He Belongs Here: he's focused as anyone (just look at "The Speech" last year), got as about as good character as you can get, extremely consistent, threw just 16 INTs in 4 years, scored 145 TDs in college, a fall-back option is TE or fullback
Why He Doesn't: That fall-back option wouldn't be a good thing and he actually projects better as a fullback or TE (aka not worthy of the pick he'd get), he's lefthanded (harsh, but only Mike Vick has really suceeded with it), uncomfortable behind center (fumbled 3 straight during Senior Bowl practice)
Upside: Limited given the fact that he NEEDs to know how to receive snaps under center, and is still learning what comes simply to a lot of QBs
Projected Pick: 3rd round
8. Jarrett Brown, West Virginia Mountaineers
Why He Belongs Here: Has excellent size for a QB at 6'4, 225, he had a decent 63.2% that NFL teams can work with, is a threat on the ground with 452 yards rushing and 6 TDs
Why He Doesn't: Very inexperienced starting just one year, threw 11 TDs with 9 picks,
Upside: He has tremendous upside because of his potential to grow, but he hasn't shown enough to warrant a high pick
Projected Pick: 4th round
9. Bill Stull, Pittsburgh Panthers
Why He Belongs Here: he played in a pro-style offense meaning easy transition, 65.1% shows he has good accuracy, 21 TDs to 8 INTs
Why he Doesn't: He had little pressure as he was the second option on the offense, he played against Big East competition, which is not the strongest
Upside: NFL Starter potential, but I don't think he looks like a potential star, just solid starter
Projected Pick: 3-4 rounds
10. Zac Robinson, Oklahoma State Cowboys
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Why He Belongs: best QB in the Senior Bowl who seemed to have complete control over offense, enjoyed prolific success at Oklahoma State, 3 year starter
Why he doesn't: 6'2 isn't ideal NFL QB, he struggled without top flight wideout Dez Bryant throwing 59% with 15 TDs and 12 INTs in games he missed
Upside: He has some upside as an NFL Starter but nothing too exciting
Projected Pick: 3-4 rounds
11. Sean Canfield, Oregon State Beavers
Summary: completed 67.9% of his passes, put OSU right next to USC in past seasons, but his upside consists as a backup
Projected Pick: 4-5 rounds
12. Jonathon Crompton, Tennessee Volunteers
Summary: Showed much improvement when he was with a good coaching staff, but the 58% is trouble; 6'4, 225 QB size will keep him high
Projected Pick: 4-5 rounds
13. Max Hall, BYU Cougars
Summary: Had outstanding success with the Cougars but is only 6'1 and therefore will get low status
Projected Pick: 5th round
14. Ryan Perrilloux, Jacksonville State Gamecocks
Summary: Troubled former blue-chip QB had great success in I-AA, but managed to complete just 58.9% of his passes
Projected Pick: 5-6 round
15. Joe Webb, UAB Blazers
Summary: The lesser man's Pat White, but with better height and less passing ability; 1,421 rushing yards
Projected Pick: 6th round
16. John Skelton, Fordham Flash
Summary: A I-AA player who has great size at 6'5 and is likely invited for that reason
Projected Pick: 6th-7th round
17. Mike Kafka, Northwestern Wildcats
Summary: His unimpressive record and unimpressive 16 TDs to 12 INTs might make him go undrafted
Projected Pick: 7th round
18. Levi Brown, Troy Trojans
Summary: He is 6'4 and threw for 64.5%, but his college offense drastically differs from any NFL offense
Projected Pick: 7th round
19. Tim Hiller, Western Michigan Broncos
Summary: After a strong junior season that had potential for Day 1, he dissapointed with poor results in 2009
Projected Pick: 7th round
20. Rusty Smith, Florida Atlantic Owls
Summary: Solid TD-INT ratio and yard totals, but his poor completion percentage and bad competition ruins his 6'5 size
Projected Pick: undrafted
21. Darryl Clark, Penn State Nittany Lions
Summary: Has less than ideal size at 6'2, but had success in Penn State in a offense that doesn't relate to NFL
Projected Pick: undrafted
22. Chris Turner, Maryland Terrapins
Summary: He barely played in college but shows good mechanics and size
Projected Pick: Undrafted
23. Thaddues Lewis, Duke Blue Devils
Summary: His stats were ok, but his offense doesn't translate to the NFL (reccurring theme?)
Projected Pick: undrafted
24. Matt Nichols, Eastern Washington Eagles
Summary: 3,744 yards, 34 TDs, 9 INTs for his his 2009 season against I-AA and he's only 6'2, but he'll likely get a look
Projected Pick: Undrafted
25. Riley Skinner (Wake Forest Demon Deacons), Joe Cox (Geogia Bulldogs), Juice Williams (Illinois Fighting Illini)
Summary: Skinner for mediocre success and 6'1 size, Cox for 55.7% CP, and Williams because of his college offense
Projected Picks: undrafted
The QBs consist of with powerhouse school QBs in McCoy, Clausen, and Bradford, the trifecta of Washington QBs (Eastern, Central, Western), a plethora of successful college QBs with low draft stock (Tebow, Hall, Clark, Robinson, Snead), and a couple I-AA talents.
That's every single QB who is eligible for the draft. On average for the past four drafts, 12 QBs were taken in the NFL Draft so my projected picks are probably a little bit off.
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"doesn't have a strong arm..."
What exactly does that mean? Does that mean:
1) That he can’t throw 60 yards like JaMarcus Russell?
2) That he is inaccurate?
3) That he doesn’t throw hard?
I always thought leadership ability, poise under pressure, judgement and accuracy were the most important factors in judging a QB’s potential. So just how important is arm strength?
Bradford is tempting
It’s weird to think an Oklahoma quarterback could be a star.
Bradford's the reason why the Rams won't be drafting with the 1st overall pick.
I can see the Browns and Redskins trading up to get him. Mel Kiper has already bumped him up to #4 on his draft list because his injury isn’t as serious as first thought. I think once the NFL Combine is over he’ll challenge McCoy (not the Texas QB) for the 2nd overall pick. I can honestly see the Rams taking both McCoys with their 1st and 2nd picks in the draft.
by the way
how is the kid from the MAC better than Colt McCoy? I’m not a big fan of Colt, but still…just saying
I don't think it's that ridiculous
but I like LeFevour. Are you just going off straight comparison or are you saying LeFevour’s conference detracts from his status as a prospect?
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Feb 6, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
nono i have no problem with the MAC
I’m just saying Colt McCoy is a better player.
I think Colt’s stock dropped too low because at first, everyone thought he was in the running for the #1 pick. When it became clear that Colt wasn’t #1 pick material, his stock dropped, maybe a little too much. He is still a proven winner…
I personally always believed that a lot of the criticism towards Colt could equally be directed towards Bradford as well.
i don't think its a matter of mccoy being a bad player
i personally picked lefevour cause i liked wat he brings more than colt… many QBs can be successful in college but not in the NFL
by stlcardsfan4 on Feb 6, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
he's not
and as far as Tebow is concerned Im sure I’ve seen a few successful lefties in the NFL.he has other issues the hand he throws with isnt one of them…If im not mistaken didnt the raiders when the big one with a lefty? Steve Young was a left hander as well (I think, not 100% on that one) and Leinart hasnt been bad, he just lost out to KW, no shame in that.
Young was indeed a lefty.
Kenny Stabler was the Oakland lefty you’re thinking of; he also won the league MVP one year. Boomer Esiason was a lefty too.
I'm all good with Clausen's cockiness
I understand a lot of guys use that cockiness to gear themselves up for competition. He puts himself in the place of needing to back it up with his play, and I like that. Now walk the walk, Jimmy.
I guarantee there are a lot of cocky QBs who are just a little more diplomatic about it for the sake of appearances, but see them in the locker room and listen to what they say with their teamates, and you see the cockiness. They just fly under the radar as far as public perception.
Probably? Maybe it probably is, but not always
I don’t think it’s as cut and dried as that though, because guys like Clausen and Rivers couldn’t have reached the level they’re at any other way.
This is what they need as individuals. It’s psychological, it’s as individual and unique as a sense of humor, and I can’t say they’d actually be better off by not being who they are. They might never have gotten to start if they didn’t do what they needed themselves to do.
The impact it has on others is not always negative, sometimes teammates rally around that. But yeah, it’s irritating for outsiders to see, I know that.
Probably wouldn’t be smart for these individuals to not be who they are and maybe lose their competitive edge. On the other hand, I’m glad the world is not full of Deon Sanders.
caaaanfiiieeeld!
"Twin-headed infinite swirling vortex of grotesque suckitude known as Tony Clark and Eric Byrnes"
off topic: just read this. thought i'd share
“Scouts and front offices actually were divided about which quarterback would turn into a better pro, Manning or Leaf. The Colts were conflicted enough over their decision that, just days before the draft, they actually posed a simple question to each of the quarterbacks: If we were to make you the No. 1 overall pick, what’s the first thing you would do?
Manning briefly mulled the question over before telling the Colts he would request their playbook so he could immediately dive into learning it. Leaf listened to the question and told the Colts he would head to Las Vegas to party. And for all the intensive scouting and film work they had done, the Colts had their answer. One question helped produce the pick that helped Indianapolis win one Super Bowl, revitalize a downtown, build a new stadium and stand on the brink of winning a second Super Bowl. "
I heard that story before.........
its sad how much of an idiot Ryan Leaf was-is…………….im glad you posted that, timing is great too
Jake Locker in 2011
Obviously, both players did what they said they were gonna do.
Ones being mentioned as the best QB in NFL history, the other is being mentioned as the biggest bust in NFL draft history.
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Sir are REC’D. Rec him people it’s a great fanpost. As for my decision I trust that the Rams will make the right choice.
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by phxsuns on Feb 7, 2010 12:08 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
With the 1st Pick in the 2010 NFL Draft...
The St. Louis Rams select Jimmy Clausen, QB from Notre Dame. Without a doubt.
The more I watch games...
the more I think Sam Bradford will be a good quarterback. I talked a little bit about him in a previous post, but he has played in big games (and won), great accuracy, great leader, and was going to go above stafford and sanchez last year.
I think once the scouting combine comes around we’ll be talking about Bradford more and more for our pick (if we don’t trade down which might be best for our franchise).
I think Drew Breese showed yesterday a QB
doesn’t need a cannon for an arm. They even commented during the game that he doesn’t have a real strong arm, but he gets the job done. 29 of 32 after the 1st Quarter. I’d love to see some of that in the Rams next QB.
At some point...
Eventually the Rams are going to have to get a QB that actually matters to make this team effective. With an uncapped year, that probably isn’t going to happen via trade/free agency, so sadly it is looking more and more that the Rams are going to have to go QB at some point in this draft.
I love Suh, but do you bet your franchise on LeFevour or Pike? If so, then by all means, if not, then its looking like a question between Clausen and Bradford, and sadly the way our O-Line is, I would have to take the durability of Clausen over Bradford.
Mr. Clausen
I say take Clausen in the first round and address the offensive line through free ageny and draft if needed. If Clausen can stand up we can start having the forward pass offense that we used to have.
The last thing I want the Rams to do is draft a defensive lineman in the first round. Chris Long, Adam Carriker, Jimmy Kennedy, Damione Lewis and Ryan Pickett were all drafted in the first round in the last 10 years and none of them panned out (yet) except for Pickett and he’s not even on the team anymore.
Poor Colt
I really think McCoy deserves more credit than he has received. I think that injury in the Championship Game and not going back in soured him to alot of people. His biggest knock is that his success is due to the short passing game around him. That seems to be the Rams new system and with his mobility I think he should be considered in the 2nd round. I honestly would not be surprised to see him start climbing into the 1st round in some mocks as the draft gets closer.
The more I extrapolate the Rams' options
I really can see a trade down a few notches for a team that wants the first pick.
Question is WHO?
If Rams trade down, it is likely they select a qb and an impact DE, DT or OLB!!!
In agreement jlcdb70
I think a trade down will be heavily explored by the team and I think the most likely candidate is the Redskins. If they fear losing their QB candidate they will want to move up. I also think we can get quite a deal because Snyder is not going to want to lose out like he did last year on Sanchez. I think the Skins will be very willing to deal if they are sold on Bradford being their guy. The big question begins that if we move down that far who do we target?
After that we draft back a few more spots and pick up more draft picks.
If we stay in the top 15 we’ll still be good. We can go DT, DE, TE, OLB, or OT/G with our first pick and still pick up a starting player. It’s the extra picks we can use to fill the team with talent.
The redskins have nothing to fear
Detroit and TB are dt candidates pretty solidly. Especially if we get Suh first. If we were to trade down, I’d be happy, as long as we got value. That seems to be the 64 dollar question, though
The other concern is someone else trading up to Detroit's spot.
Then both QBs and Suh could be gone before we draft at #4. If we really don’t want to draft a QB in the first round, then trading down is a great move. If we do want Bradford or Clausen, trading down below Tampa is a big risk.
See, I feel the same way
If you think your franchise QB is in this draft, you need to take him.
And if you think you can live with, for example, any one of 3 guys, then trade down and pick up a free pick or two.
by CoachConnors on Feb 11, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
The Leaf factor
I just think Devaney is a little nervous pulling the trigger on a QB #1 overall, especially given the Ryan Leaf debacle. Paying a DT #1 money is hard to swallow even when it might be your biggest need . If the Rams are not sold on Bradford or Clausen than why not move down, especially when there are so many holes on this team.
I think Detroit is really trying to sell a DT as their choice to entice somebody to trade up but in the end they will select a left tackle. They have too much money tied up in Stafford to not give him a quality LT and Jeff Backus is not that, despite what they might be saying. I think a LT gives them more immediate impact than a DT and both Okung and possibly Bruce Campbell are worthy of top 5 consideration.
I really think we could trade down to #4 and pick up Gerald McCoy with a scenario like 1) Bradford-Redskins 2) Okung-Lions 3) Suh-Bucs 4) McCoy-Rams. McCoy provides more of a pass rush than Suh and is more of what we are missing at DT as our current roster has no pass rush threat in the middle.Even if both DTs are gone, you can always look to move down a little farther and pick up even more picks or possibly consider a CB like Joe Haden or even the remaining QB on the board if you liked them both but were not sold on either.
Lions fan--Lions won't take Okung
1. Schwartz really does believe Backus is good enough for another year or two, and many fans (me included) agree. He’s not great, but he’s at least average if you put more talent next to him, and he’s ridiculously durable (started every game since his rookie year).
We have a massive, gaping hole at Left Guard that we’ve been rotating backup FA’s and late-round Millen picks into that spot for almost Backus’ whole career. An average LT like Backus is going to look a whole lot worse if he’s asked to do too much to help compensate for a far worse situation at the LG position.
2. Selecting Okung over Suh would be selecting positional need over talent, and that’s the exact opposite of Mayhew’s philosophy. Okung may be the best LT this year, but is he better than (for example) Jake Long, or Joe Thomas, or Ryan Clady? On the other hand, Suh looks like the best DT prospect to come along in years.
If Ndamukong Suh projects to be a better football player than Russell Okung, the Lions will take the guy who is a better player, not the guy who plays ______ position.
"If the Rams are not sold on Bradford or Clausen than why not move down"
Well I can agree with that much.
When it comes to Devaney, I sincerely hope his past picks won’t affect his future picks. Devaney wasn’t the only one wrong about Leaf, and while that one famous question gave some insight about his character and work ethic, no one predicted he would be a spectacular bust like that. I mean everyone in football was wrong as far as that goes.
The thing people forget Leaf was that he was a hell of an athlete. He had a fantastic college career, full of promise and potential. His ruination was that he simply couldn’t negotiate the intersection of fame and failure. He encountered both at the same time and imploded under the unique pressure that an NFL QB has to be able to endure.
Nobody saw that coming and Devaney shouldn’t carry any baggage with him about it. And in fact, listening to Devaney talk, I honestly don’t think there is any Leaf factor with him.
You can learn from your past but you can’t play scared. I hope Devaney has the same faith in his drafting ability that Matt Millen had in his assessment of wide receivers….utterly unshakable.
(of course, I’m hoping for better results than Millen got too)
A broad statement
I totally agree with your reasoning and realize how broad a statement I made. I merely meant to say that I believe the personal experience Devaney gained from the Leaf situation provides him some insight to not draft unless absolutely certain. Many did say Leaf was going to be great but it was pretty clear that Manning was the best QB in that draft. Leaf had more upside athletically but there were already character concerns but the decision was made to select him anyway because the team already missed out on Peyton.
If the team believes one of the QBs is a solid choice at the top than I have no doubt they take him. It is only when there is uncertainty about whether they truly are worthy of that high value that the Leaf experience will play a slight factor in the decision making. If they believe they have the next Peyton than it is a done deal, but if there is some doubt than I think they look elsewhere. Redundant I know.
pike before Lefevour is funny
jerrett brown wouldn’t be ready to play as soon as Lefevour. im a brown fan but the kid just don’t take care of the ball plus he’s injury prone seen it to many times this year. not what the rams need
So you watched Brown this year?
I haven’t heard any feedback other than the usual mock site drivel on him. I can be talked out of supporting him in the 6th or so for a future back-up or a flyer. I’m not sold on him by any means. He performed well at the shrine game I guess but next to Tebow, doesn’t mean much. I would like more info.
Yes im WVU fan GO EERS!
I think he’s gonna be good , but he needs a few years.
For a big dude he gets banged up alot.
He missed most of WVU’s bowl game.
I know i’v seen him go out 3 games this year.
Rams need some 1 that can start this year , and be ready for a big push in 2011.
I think he’ll go some wher in the 5th round.
To a team that has a good starter ,but looking toward future
The pick has to be Jimmy Clausen
He’s the ideal NFL QB. A taller Drew Brees, if you will.
"I find a duck's opinion of me is very much influenced by whether or not I have bread."
-Mitch Hedberg
I see Clausen isn't going to throw
or work out at the Combine either. He had surgery on his toe and isn’t ready to do anything but interview yet. So neither of the top QBs will be doing anything but talking and going through medical tests at the Combine. Isn’t that wonderful!
I'm not sure "he isn’t ready to do anything" yet
Since he will likely do private workouts and knows millions are on the line, I bet not working at the combine is more strategic that a real limitation. Same with Bradford who’s doctor says he is ahead of schedule.
Maybe, but the sense I get is that neither is going to be 100%
on Combine week, so why would they go out there and look less than great? They would rather wait another month so they are closer to 100% by the time they work out for the teams.
Scouting Video
I wanted to share with you a great highlight video I posted of quarterback John Skelton (Fordham) on YouTube. John has been invited to the NFL combine this year, but because he hails from such a small university, there isn’t much footage of him out there – until now.
A lot of buzz has been generated about John and his 6’5’’, 250-pound frame – but it’s his powerful arm and deceptive speed that I think will make him a success in the NFL. Like all college quarterbacks, he has some learning to do before he’s ready to compete at the highest level, but you can’t argue with the game footage I’ve compiled here. In a year of "weak" quarterbacks, I think John really stands out.
Anyway, I thought you would be interested in the clip, and I think your blog readers would be too. Keep up the great work!
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