Rams favorites to sign Vick?
by Ryan Van Bibber on Feb 4, 2010 9:02 AM CST
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PrintAs if whispers about the bidders in the pending sale of the St. Louis Rams weren't enough to fire your imagination, then another Michael Vick rumor ought to get your synapses firing on all cylinders. A report from Jason LaCanfora on the NFL Network yesterday said that the Rams were the favorites to land Michael Vick.
This won't be the last Vick rumor to surface. Just yesterday there was a report from the NFL Network's Michael Lombardi that the Eagles would like to hang on to Vick. That seems more like posturing as the team tries to gin up some trade interest before they have to pay him $5 million on March 5. What LaCanfora's report does not say is how the Rams would be most likely to acquire Vick, via trade or as a free agent. I would hope that GM Billy Devaney goes the later route, using some of the freed up "dead money" from last year's roster purge to sign Vick rather than trade any of the Rams precious few assets, players or picks, for a guy who hasn't thrown more than two regular season passes since 2006...when he had a 52.6 percent completion rate, lower than Bulger's in 2009.
There's more QB news that might have implications for the Rams. Pending free agent Chad Pennington has stated a preference to return to the Dolphins, even as a backup. Pennington would be one of the few free agent QBs if the league goes without a cap in 2010. He's another guy that if the Rams made a move for would require them to have a real solid backup option given Pennington's injury history. Frankly, I'll pass.
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Vick or "Poofer" Pennington?
My choice is neither. I’d rather have Null start and groom a first-day rookie.
Isn't a "first day" rookie...
a “first round” rookie?
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I may be wrong
But i thought the first round was the first day
Then 2nd and 3rd is the second
then 4-7th is the third day.
At least from now on.
The House of Spears reigns supreme
Yup
Thursday is round 1
Friday rounds 2-3
Saturday rounds 4-7
I'm still on the fence concerning Vick
He has never impressed me with his passing… and his legs aren’t what they used to be.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
i agree 100%
there’s no doubt he’s a talented athlete, BUT…
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by Ryan Van Bibber on Feb 4, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Is that hesitation about his playing style, his skill level, or the man?
I’m not happy with any of the three.
by CoachConnors on Feb 4, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
AGREED
But that puts us in the SUH camp answering the question of “Then who??”
Frankly, this ship is not getting turned around this year by VICK or ora rookie QB.. .then our D-Line needs addressing.
It’s a win one, lose another situation no matter how we cut it.
Take SUH and call it a day, start Null for a year… who knows!
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
To be honest,
I really don’t see any reason why Keith Null can’t become Kyle Orton.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
i'd feel alot better if he had played for a significant amount of time last year
but he didn’t.
Furthermore, his playing style is so unique that it seems if he doesn’t work out, we’re stuck with having to shift the offense (again) in mid-stream, a tough task for a young team that’s just learning the playbook installed last year.
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by Ryan Van Bibber on Feb 4, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
if we can get him for a minimum salary without trading any of our assets.....
you wouldnt want to at least give him a chance to see what he can do before writing him off?
You cannot get Vick for the minimum
He already showed he can appear to be a QB for long enough periods that he will get a lot fo money
by CoachConnors on Feb 4, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
With the first pick in each round, I actually think we could get him for Round 5 Pick 1, don’t you? That’s not giving up too much for an upgrade at QB and to have something for people to talk about your team for besides whether or not Rush Limbaugh will be an owner of if we’re headed to LA or Toronto.
Hey bigwood-
Do you really think the Rams could DRAFT VIC IN THE 5th ROUND?? WOW!! WHAT A DEAL! or did you NOT reply to Coach?
Screw Vick
Inhumane Friggin’ abuser – he knew his evil while he did. He deserves no fruitful life. If the Rams get him, I will be so spent!
If he's not the longterm answer
then I don’t care, he is just a place holder. It is getting way too much attention. Oh yea, and then there is the fact that he is a HORRIBLE QB.
Our team thrives on short term solutions that fail
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
You never know what to believe with these things.
If you were the Eagles, and you wanted something for Vick, you’d get stories out there about how you actually wanted to keep him.
He’ll be 30 next year, and a QB like Vick will be facing a drop off in productivity sooner than a guy like Manning who is 33 but doesn’t run and doesn’t get hit much.
there is going to be a loss of quickness, deterioration of top end speed and injuries will start to take longer to heal. This has nothing to do with milage, this has to do with the body aging.
He’ll probably show up already being a little less than the Mike Vick of years past. He’s probably got another 3 years of the Vick-type of physicality that makes him valuable.
Assuming he doesn’t prove his decision making is unacceptably bad for a starter, the Rams might get a young Null developed by the time Vick exits for good. Yeah Null, or a guy they draft this year of course. : )
Funny You Should Say That About The Eagles
SI.com Truth/Rumors section has an article about the Eagles keeping Vick
Jake Locker in 2011
I hope most of this is just rumors started
by the Eagles or by writers needing something to fill space. I still think it would be a huge mistake for the Rams to add Vick – even if they got him for free.
I realize he's paid his debt to society
but the first question is, does he meet the four pillars?
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
Let me rephrase... personally I could give 2 squats myself if he does
Will SPAGS even consider him because the first question HE asks is does he meet the four pillars.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
They've already stated publically
that they are now in the position to take players who don’t necessarily fall 100% into the four pillars.
They wanted to build a core of individuals who would lead the team in the right way. Now that they have that core (at least they feel as though they do), they can now take more chances and trust that the core will hold the team up.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I know you don't
I hope I didn’t come across as contemptuios, contemptuous, contemptoui, ah fuck it. I hope that Steven jacksons little problem results in a lowering of the standards for the pillars. It may result in a perceived need to lift the bar though. I’m thinkin he was one of the teams leaders.
Interesting thought-
I wonder if Spags had a little notion of SJax’s problem to come? Is that why he eased up on the “Four Pillars” bit?-Gosh-soap opera stuff-
The biggest concern I have with Vick is
how he affects the team…
The first group of players that I am concerned about is the WRs. Vick has never shown to utilize his Receivers to their max potential…hell not even half their potential. With our group of 4 young and developing WRs, we cannot afford to lose any time in getting this wide outs where we need them. I am not a supporter of this move. Vick can not move like he used to, and quite frankly his depth of understanding for offense is limited. Is Testeverde still available?
They say a great QB "makes" his receiving corp
I agree that the St Lou WR’s are not yet playing at even half of what their potential is. They’ll get there, it takes 2 or 3 years for good Wides to shw up. And I’m with you that I really would rather not put Vick in the mix right now, too.
Starting off with a QB who isn’t very accurate and doesn’t have a grasp of their offense…I just wish they wouldn’t bring Vick into a situation that’s the very definition of “developing.”
Maybe Vick is easily signable, but he’s not going to bring as much as a lot of other veteran QB’s would, that might be had via trade.
Never was going to be great as a pass stat-wise, but found a way to move the ball down the field and win. At 30, he’s probably lost a little, but look at how many awful QBs started this year, and start in St. Louis when you do. Believe me, I’d be MUCH more excited to see Vick roll out with Steven Jackson (ala VY + Chris Johnson) than watch Bulger throw off his back foot to our inexperienced WRs.
Get the long term solution at QB asap
we’re rebuilding and obviously need a QB. So I think the team either needs to take one in the draft, a first round guy, or trade for a guy young guy who still has his future ahead of him. The most likely scenario seems to be the draft, but I’m open to the possibilities.
With a rookie, they’d still need a veteran for next season, maybe not guaranteed to start, but a viable option just in case. Maybe, I’m too bound to tradition on this matter, but I think a rebuilding team needs to get their QB in place as soon as possible so that he’s ready to lead as soon as possible.
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I'm with you on all that
I’m with you on all that And with you on your comment up there about the Rams maybe needing to shift the whole offense to fit his unique skillset.
I’m going to say this in all honesty — I really hope he goes to the Raiders.
You know I have the seats in Oaktown, and you know I can’t stand Vick, but right now I could really get behind a sinister, Darth Vader talent there in Oakland, someone evil, someone me and my seat-neighbors could cheer on while he eats the hearts off Chiefs and Broncos fans.
The Raiders are uniqe that way, one reason why I’ve stayed in love with them through the malaise they’ve fallen in, and I would love to get some dark, evil talent there to get with.
Instant starters/playmakers
Taking Suh #1 and trading for Vick = two instant playmakers on a team that severely lacks playmaking ability (outside of Steven Jackson and James Laurinaitis), not to mention a little grab of the spotlight for a franchise that needs to fill some seats in order to stay in town. I’ve been calling for this for weeks now (along with many others). Let’s make it happen! GO RAMS!
Why do you think he would fill the seats?
I think he would empty just as many as he might fill just because of who he is, and he would only fill seats if the Rams started winning. It won’t happen with Vick at QB. He is well past his prime, he never was a decent passer, and he would just set the Rams back.
Yeah I don't think you can realistically expect to fill seats
any other way than by winning. Not in the NFL.
Vick, nooooooooooooo
Inhumane fricken person.
If Rams get him, karma will snap him in two. When he wakes out of it and looks up, he is going to see some d-lineman barking like a dog . Vick should get no rewards for being a torturing abuser.
Apparantly winning a football game is more important that punishing a friggin animal torturer and killer. Sell outs to America guys, sell outs to America!
Another Vick rumor?
Did LaCanfora offer any reasoning for this, or is he just joining the chorus of previous rumor mills? I didn’t see anything in the linked article but there may be more information elsewhere.
noooooo
Like dbcouver just pointed out, I don’t see any reason to think this is serious … anyone can go on TV and make blanket statements.
But it still gets me worked up enough that I need to throw in my two cents. I just don’t understand how this makes sense. For just a second, let’s forget that this guy was a millionare and he still decided he wanted to spend his free time watching dogs kill other dogs and then had no problem with the losing ones being finished off if they were still alive. Even if you forget that, I still don’t understand.
He was a QB last year as much as Ronnie Brown was a QB … wow, he tossed a few passes, big deal. I’m not sold. I don’t see how anyone else IS sold. We haven’t seen enough.
Sign Jason Campbell, draft someone and start Null one more year … do whatever you have to do, but this is not the answer. At all.
And I don’t think the fact that he’ll “get people talking” is a good reason at all. Wow, now people will be picketing Rams games, how exciting. I’m so glad people are talking!
This made a little sense for the Eagles. It makes none for the Rams.
GIVE THE MAN A SHOT
Vick has proved he can win in this league. U can’t tell me that he won’t bring some excitement to this dull franchise. A rookie will struggle in this offense if he’s thrown in there too quick. The way it looks Spags is a run first coach so get us a tight end and let Vick and SJax go to work. We can leave J Smith on the right side to protect Vicks blind side. And who said he doesn’t know this offense ? Philly supposedly run something very simular. With Vicks scrambling ability , he can buy time for our receivers to get separation which looked impossible last year. I honestly think it would be a great move to get this guy. He has made it to a NFC championship game. Who else that’s a possibility has done more. For every person that say they will cancel their season tix if we get Vick , I garuntee there are two who will purchase them. Don’t let this guy get away !!! GO RAMS !!!!!!!
by RamMan1 on Feb 4, 2010 8:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions
If we get Vick,
I’ve got two PSLs I’ll be glad to sell you.
I would be okay with Null and LeFevour duking it out this year.
Hopefully one can stick. Maybe throw Ainge into the mix. So for the QBs on the roster we can have three of Null, Veteran (Bulger/Pennington), LeFevour, and Ainge. I like all three of those guys and hopefully one of them can develop into a quality QB.
Null couldn't duke it out shadow boxing.
Apparently someone in the STL Rams organization has sprouted a brain and is pursuing Vick.
I hope we get Vick just so I can prove you wrong that he won't make a difference or make things worse
He can’t throw and he’s getting too old to run like he did in his prime.
Its better than anything we have now. U tell me if we keep what we have ur going to keep ur PSL’s. We have to bring some buzz back to the dome. Vick can win us more than 1 game for sure.
by RamMan1 on Feb 5, 2010 9:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I will absolutely keep my PSLs if the Rams
continue on the right course as they did in 2009. If they start with band-aids like Vick, I’m gone.
I'd say...
1) that’s a big mistake
and….
2)…..you’re bluffing
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I really wonder why. It can’t be cause what he has done on the field. Which is win more than 1 game a year. If u can deal wit last year u can deal with anything. It can’t get any worse.
by RamMan1 on Feb 5, 2010 5:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It wouldn't make a difference to me if I had PSLs.
But if my decision to keep them or not was based solely on Vick, I’d have to get rid of them. Vick will not help. I’d rather have Null start 16 games than waste any draft picks on Vick just to realize he sucks and can’t complete a pass.
I think the real problem is not "Vick"
I think the point people are trying to make is, we’re sick of attempted band-aids. We don’t even know if we’re drafting a QB or not at this point.
If we’re not, then we have NO CHOICE but look for a viable FA… Vick as much as I hate to say it MAY BE the best of the lot.
Campbell, Pennington (who most likely will stay in Miami btw) or Vick seems to be the only three. Sounds like Philly will hang onto McNab and Kolb..
So with that said… who then?
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Feb 5, 2010 9:42 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
There are no "viable" free agents.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Well put
We’re all just frustrated from years of suckitude. But when you take a step back and look at all the actual options available, ie you don’t just say “we need a true #1 QB” without any ideas, it becomes clear that Vick might be the least of all evils.
We’re tired of band-aids, but it takes time for a wound to coagulate and it looks like it’s just gonna take patience and faith in the skills of the doctors.
Integrity
Rams either have it, or not. With a potential sale, prospective buyers will be aware.
SCREW VICK! FRIGGIN’ KILLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO TO VICK!!!
YES TO LITTLE!!!!!!
wait………
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
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