Rams considering DTs and QBs with first pick
by VanRam on Feb 26, 2010 10:10 AM CST
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St. Louis Rams GM Billy Devaney spoke with the press this morning at the Combine. Before you get all cynical and think that he's just going to recite a bunch of tamper-proof taking points, take a gander at these tidbits he offered up.
The good news is that despite receiving attractive offers, the Rams will not be trading RB Steven Jackson. Not only will they not trade SJ39, they won't "poop-can" him either.
We can't be poop-canning him out of the building. We gotta have more guys like that in. No, there is no talk about trading Steven Jackson and there won't be.
Whew. The GM also offered his take on the two top defensive tackles in the draft, saying that in the eyes of the Rams' staff there is no difference between McCoy and Suh. The two DTs along with the two QBs, Bradford and Clausen, are all being considered for the first overall pick.
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No qb @ #1 fools
Dumby pick @ #1 – you gonna have your pants hangin down, your pants hangin down, your pants hangin down, your pants hangin down, fool gonna have your pants hangin down to the ground, lol!
Well, so far one "expert" or another
has had us taking Suh, McCoy, Bradford and Clausen. Each has “insider” information of one sort or another, supposedly. Anyone want to bet it will stop with these four, or will someone come up with the Rams sure to take an offensive tackle or a defensive back? Do these guys really fool anyone into believing they know what they’re talking about?
I sincerely doubt there is any direct insider information to be had
Devaney plays it close to the vest. People may see circumstantial stuff and try to divine info out of it, but I would be very surprised if anyone outside of Rams Park knew anything at all.
by CoachConnors on Feb 26, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't it make sense like this-
The first pick is up to the Rams FO (that includes Spags). Whether it is a trade deal or straight pick. After that, all of the media whizzes are in a fog in reality because it isn’t who the Rams want to pick, but the dance of options of who is available at that pick and round, and how it stacks up to roll the dice on a bluff. We have outsmarted ourselves sometimes in the past, but we have also bluffed other teams at times to get the pick (player) we want. Awhile back Shula wrote some articles about that. It’s incredible the lengths some teams will go to produce smokescreens to grab guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. He kinda said that a lot of grabbing in the 1st round is just to set up the 2nd and 3rd rounds. (my sentences are not Shula quotes but rather summaries)
McCoy looks bigger in pads than Suh
even though 4 pounds less @ 298.
Rams have a 4-3 base defense. Reports are McCoy is better suited for a base 4-3. Since Rams have been guaranteed the overall pick, I have pretty much maintained my positioning with regard to what is best for the organization now and into the future (we have to look at it conjoined).
If no trades, trade-downs OR FA losses:
1st Rd: minimum : DT (impact player, bar none and no excuses!)
2nd Rd: minimum: DE (impact player); or, OLB (impact player)
3rd Rd: minimum: OLB (impact) if no DE (impact player) above
4th Rd: minimum: DB, RT, WR
5th Rd: minimum: CB, TE, OG -———>2 selections in 5th
6th Rd.: minimum: RT, OLB, FB
7th Rd: minimum: TE, OLB, DT -————→2 selections in the 7th
They both play DT well
and that is in a 4-3 defense! You are just going off an article from yahoo, where someone THINKS McCoy would be better in a 4-3 and Suh better as a DE in a 3-4.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AomVrJdDbPRZhCRlSqdBUjhDubYF?slug=ms-thegameface022610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
I think Suh can play anywhere on the line. I’m not going to let some article sway my decision, considering I have seen plenty of film myself.
Good point
I have seen plenty of McCoy too.
Honestly, I never heard of Suh until this year.
McCoy I heard of 2 1/2 to 3 years ago.
SO, I am still wondering what it is that SUH did in one year’s hype that overshadows McCoy’s 3 year dominance?
Suh was more than a 1-year flash in the pan
He had a very good year previous to 2009
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
For me, the key factor is
That they played against the same competition and Suh’s sacks and tackles far exceed McCoy’s. I think that says a lot.
by CoachConnors on Feb 27, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Suh also happened to be playing for Nebreska, who gets very little national exposure while Oklahoma gets a lot of national exposure, thus being why we all heard of Gerald McCoy first. I’ve only seen a few games from them both, but I feel Suh has more potential to be among the best, but McCoy does seem to be a safer pick considering he is technique sound.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
However Suh is versatile and can play DT and DE
He’s a true pass rushing DT. Basically, take your pick between having Kevin Williams and Richard Seymour. Seymour played well in his first season in the 4-3 on the lowly Raiders, so you have to consider that. He is also the best 3-4 DE in the NFL. Either way you can’t go wrong, but if it were me, I’d take Suh as he seems to be a better pass rusher. Considering this league has become pass happy, I’d prefer pass rusher.
"No player is greater than a team."
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You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Feb 26, 2010 12:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think DeVaney is just getting better at throwing bones to the dogs
The more he sounds like a White House press secretary, the better job he’s doing. Even if it’s discovered he’s talking to agents, it’s not insider information. It’s so unlikely they have a plan at Rams Park yet as early as it is.
Maybe its obvious but what your GM said about Steven Jackson should give you Rams fans some confidence that he knows what he is doing.
Maybe this will stop the idiot talk about trading whatever good players you have for draft picks.
No, I doubt it too.
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