Turf Show Times: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
New Blog: Cowboy Altitude for Wyoming Fans!

TST Bump and Run: Receivers and opportunity costs

There's no shortage of things to talk about right now, offseason be damned. With the draft just two months away and free agency close enough to taste, 3k and I started a running conversation about some of the key issues facing the St. Louis Rams, draft prospects, current players and much more that we're going to turn into the "Bump and Run" series. We started the first edition of BnR with LSU receiver Brandon LaFell, bumping from there onto some other pertinent issues. 

Van
I know people are getting a little exhausted with the QB and DT talk, so this seems like a nice time to switch the conversation to wide receivers, which, in case you forgot, is a pretty significant need for the Rams moving forward. A player I really like and one I think would be good fit for the Rams is LSU's Brandon LaFell. We've talked about him some on TSR in the past, and having caught a decent share of SEC games this last season (far more than any other conference, but is that a surprise?) I've generally liked what I see.

I'll admit his route running isn't super polished, and that could push a guy like USC's Damian Williams above him in the draft. I like LaFell because he's a big dude, 6'3" 200+ lbs. The guy plays like it too. He can even block, with another check mark for the "pro" column given the Rams running game. Anyway, he can make some nice catches that make me think red zone target, and his body can make for some nice yards after the catch, always a plus in the west coast system. It's going to take me some time to get used to that system after the Martz era.

What do you think about LaFell? Is he a fit for our team and current group of receivers, or is there too much duplication? Can he be that mythical #1 wide receiver?

3k
I think you've hit on his skills and his deficiencies pretty accurately, though I would say he's an elite blocker at the WR position. In my WR big board back in December, I said he reminded me of Plaxico. He might be a bit more physical than that, but that's where I see him.

As for the questions you posed, I certainly like him for our scheme. He could be a very good 3rd down and red zone target, he could help in the running game, and he's avoided the diva tag that so many WRs carry these days.

My issue is opportunity cost. For those of you who slept through your econ class, opportunity costs are the goods or services you don't get when you opt for a mutually exclusive option. In other words, if we take LaFell with our 2nd round pick (where we'd probably have to take him unless we get another 2nd rounder), the opportunity costs are those other players we could have had, i.e. Sean Weatherspoon, the DT options if we opt for a QB at the top of the 1st, vice versa, Gresham if he falls to the 2nd, Iupati if he somehow escapes the 1st, etc. I'm not sure LaFell is as necessary to the team if Laurent Robinson is healthy.

Here's my return question. If you could pick one facet, or two, of our gameplay on either side of the ball that would dramatically improve our team, what would it be? Pass rush? Man-on-man pass coverage? Route running? I think identifying our biggest deficiencies goes a long way in assessing how much we improve our team over the offseason.

Van
A healthy Laurent Robinson, what a difference that would have made last year, huh? I wonder though if there's not a tendency emerging to put too much faith in our group of wide receivers based on what we saw from Robinson early on and Gibson after acquiring him during the season. I'd feel much better about that group if they were healthier...and there was some clarity on the QB front. A number one wide receiver, a true blue prototypical number one, do-it-all receiver would be a great addition to the mix, but you hit the nail on the head with the idea of opportunity cost in the second round. Those types of wide receivers are not exactly a dime a dozen. They get snapped up in the first round and leave the really good specialists or guys with potential for the second round and beyond. Do you think the Rams have enough at WR? What happens if one of our three primary guys - Robinson, Gibson and Avery - end up on the sidelines with an injury again?

If Jermaine Gresham were available when the Rams pick at the top of the second round, you wouldn't need to add another receiver to the mix. As much as that pick may be best served finding a defensive lineman (because I think the Rams will, barring a trade, use their first pick on a QB) it would be hard to pass up a talent like Gresham. Or, maybe I'm off here. I think the Rams could really benefit from a major upgrade at WLB, which makes Weatherspoon a great pick. For me, a player like that would have as much impact on our run defense as a DT, maybe more. (I've got a whole bunch of thoughts about the Rams DTs, but we'll get into that later).

That partly answers your last question. With enough tape, opponents did a pretty good job of isolating James Laurinaitis. A better WLB combined with Animal Jr. would go a long way to preventing opposing runners from gashing us for huge yards. It's harder to assess the team from the standpoint of actual facets of the game rather than by talent and positions, something that separates the armchair coach from the real deal. I'd say pass rush is a huge need, but I think getting better penetration from our defensive line gives a broader view of one of the Rams' major deficiencies last year. On the other side of the ball, I think it starts with improved QB play, someone who can read defenses, make adjustments and find open receivers. Of course, that person has to have receivers that get to the right place and hands enough to make tough catches.

Let me turn that question back to you, and add this: how are some of the names identified by draftniks likely to impact those deficiencies?

3k
- the current depth chart and injury issues - It's possible we're looking at too much of the silver lining in our WR corps without looking at the crappy veneer covering that lining, but I would note a couple things. First, this is a very young group in Robinson, Gibson, Avery, Amendola, Burton, and Foster. I can't see why they won't individually and collectively improve year by year. Second, one of the more important factors is chemistry. Look at what Brees was able to do with an offense he had grown ridiculously comfortable with compared to Manning having to work magic with newer (and less experienced) options such as Garcon and Collie. We haven't had much stability at wideout in recent years and I think that, as much as anything, has minimized how effective our passing game could have been. Lastly, the group combines different strengths. Robinson's poise and hands. Avery's speed. Gibson's athleticism, and Amendola's, hmm, squirrelyness? Sure, you'd like to see all of those in a single guy, but as many teams have shown, you can do just as well with a well-rounded crew than with a top WR and a bunch of diversions in uniform. As for injuries, they happen. And unfortunately, they have hit us hard as all hell in the last couple of seasons. Whether that changes or not, I think it would be a poor strategy to build our team around the possibility of losing guys to injury. If that were the case, we'd have to consider getting a great RB ASAP. Not exactly a priority otherwise.

- Gresham - Speaking of injuries, I think we have to tread lightly here. Gresham has a big red flag in terms of injury concerns, but he was better than any TE in football as a sophomore. The risk-reward seesaw can cost you millions. Well, not you personally, unless you're Billy Devaney or the great Khan. (BTW, nicknames needed. Hard not to tread on the racism thread. The Wrath of Khan? Genghis? I need help) In any case, as you mention, I don't think the pro of drafting Gresham is worth the con of opportunity cost, DT or OLB.

- deficiencies - Let's break that down as we get into this. You identify four concerns: OLB play (I expanded from WLB to include SLB), the pass rush, QB play and WR play. Which one should we examine? Is it possible to address all four in a single draft with this roster? And BTW, I'm really hoping we find a way to bolster one of those areas in free agency...

0 recs  |  Comment 38 comments |

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

yes it is

  Sure, Locker and Mallet are going into their senior years looking like franchise QBs. But so was Bradford at this time last year. And a lot of people (including myself) were high on Jevan Snead. So the first concern is how they will play their senior years out at schools that won’t be very competitive.
  Secondly, if we don’t draft a QB and only win 3 or so games, the fan base will be even more inflamed, and the media won’t be able to stop themselves after 3 consecutive drafts of avoiding a QB.
  Sure, as Rams fans looking at the long-term, we can look to the next draft without our balls on the line, but the front office and the coaching staff do and they’re not afforded that same lenience from the top or from the fans.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Feb 22, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Greshman

will end up being drafted a lot earlier than he is worth IMO because he isn’t a very good blocker. A first round TE SHOULD be an all around player. If we have pass catching TE’s and blocking TE’s (Bajema), it makes it easier for the defense to guess what we’re doing

by jb22 on Feb 22, 2010 12:36 PM CST reply actions  

Hold on a second - Gresham can be VERY physical

 I know what you’re saying, it would be better to have a guy that can do both very well, but you could end up waiting an awful long time before that guy comes around. Everyone is better at something than they are at others.

But, before we decide Gresham can’t be a good enough blocker, let’s take a look at what we’re dealing with.

I think the guy can be taught to block. He looks like he might be willing to take on contact.

by CoachConnors on Feb 22, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

And just because they know what's coming doesn't mean

they have the matchups to stop it. No one wants to double cover a TE. That’d open up the guts for Jackson to pound, or the top for Avery/Robinson to rip.

A lot of people knew SJ39 was going to run, but they still couldn’t stop him consistantly. That’s the playmaker difference!

by CoachConnors on Feb 22, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

You don't think

Dallas Clark is a first-round talent in retrospect?

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Feb 22, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

a Rams TE like that doesn't need to be a top blocker either

we use lots of 2 TE sets and with Fells or Bajema you get your blocking TE out there. Gresham can either be running a route or blocking…the defense would have to account for him, something they didn’t have to do with our current group

Turf Show Times

by VanRam on Feb 22, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

well Dallas Clark is a little different

the Colts dont even try to pretend that they might even CONSIDER running the ball.

SJax is all the Rams have.

by jb22 on Feb 22, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

SJax is all the Rams have until

Did you see the clip I linked? Gresham looks physical. If he plays anything like that, the Rams could have a very physical RB with a very physical TE…personally I love the idea of our QB being able to dump off to someone who is looking to smash mouth.

by CoachConnors on Feb 22, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Nickname = KHAAAN!

Multiple A’s, caps and exclamation point mandatory.

by thebyron on Feb 22, 2010 1:36 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Feb 22, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

WR

If, by some miracle, the TB rumor is something legitimate, and we end up with one of their 2nd rounders, it becomes a lot easier to justify taking a WR. There are just so many glaring needs on this team. Mike Williams in the 3rd might be an option. Benn in the 2nd might be an option if he falls. Damian Williams if he falls.

I’m praying that TB does us a favor and let’s us add a second round pick in a draft that many have referred to as deep.

I think DE is another need that might be in play in the 2nd.

by Toddius on Feb 22, 2010 2:04 PM CST reply actions  

OLB [W] is a MAJOR need

I think that’s what we take in the second, unless better talent is available at that pick. [IMO, talent should outweigh need.] Think about it, Chris Chamberlain and Paris Lennon are on the roster. Tho Chris is still young and if he works hard enough could make the team, there is nothing going on for Lennon. We are desperate for help & an upgrade there.

Only a couple of FA players that can fill our OLB need: Karlos Dansby. Anybody else?? I just don’t see WR being a high need. TE is a higher need than WR.

by RamsFan1979 on Feb 22, 2010 4:55 PM CST reply actions  

I'd agree with you going into 2010

I’m a defensive guy, though, so a DT-OLB-DE top 3 wouldn’t upset me if the names are right.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Feb 22, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

You'd think who would be upset?!

Obviously quite a few who think our O needs much help, but our D needs to get better. If our WR’s stay healthy next year, that alone will improve our O.

Anyway, that would be my dream draft; those three positions of need, picks 1-3.

by RamsFan1979 on Feb 23, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Two words for ya...

Joe & Klopfenstein. I would never take a TE in the first three rounds of the draft.

1. QB
2. DT/DE
3. LB

4. Super Bowl (hey, I can dream).

by Blood Red Pred on Feb 22, 2010 6:24 PM CST reply actions  

Drafting

This thread is wrong.Spags said he would build the lines.Enough said.

by CGSuddeath on Feb 22, 2010 7:39 PM CST reply actions  

That's Spags' theory

  There’s a lot of other people in the war room besides the HC.
  You really think we’re going to spend our top 3 picks on O-line and D-line alone? We did spend our second round pick on a MLB and our third on a CB last year.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Feb 22, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I love the fact that you used "opportunity cost"

and yes I did pay attention in the Economics class in college. Partially at least. Thanks in part to a hot volleyball chick that became a study buddy.
At the very least, good way of presenting your thoughts. I think you and I are on the same page as far as WR. I am not convinced we will get the most value out of this class. I keep thinking about Washington and their tandem of highly rated WRs in the draft a couple years back. Thomas and Kelly have yet to meet the expectations of their 2nd round draft status. That was a similar draft class situation to what we face currently. I feel that the current WR group this year would be better suited without the addition of a rookie (unless that rookie is named Dez Bryant).

by CaliRamMan on Feb 22, 2010 9:15 PM CST reply actions  

Answer
If you could pick one facet, or two, of our gameplay on either side of the ball that would dramatically improve our team, what would it be? Pass rush? Man-on-man pass coverage? Route running?

It’s a close call between pass rush and route running. But I’ll focus on route running for now.
Route running would have made a huge difference this year. Receivers would be open more and would have greatly improved our offense, at least when Bugler was playing. I think if Gibson and Robinson can refine their route running and Avery can keep running in a straight line, we should be pretty set at WR next year. Not to mention our Wes Welker, Danny Amendola. And if we keep him just as KR, I wouldn’t mind having Shipley.

by Carneros on Feb 22, 2010 11:22 PM CST reply actions  

See

for me it’s pass rush. I think this is one of the greatest things about SBN communities (and TST specifically) is that it bring together legit opinions from fans who approach football differently. I’m a defense guy, so my instincts lean towards improving the D, but I can respect other people’s rational opinions.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Feb 23, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

yea-me too-

I can respect all those other meaningless and trivial opinions that come from the empty headed irrelevant would be rational experts.

by Knoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

There's only two things I hate in this world.

People who are intolerant of other people’s cultures and the Dutch

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Feb 23, 2010 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

There's only 2,837,615.01 things that I hate in the world.

But Dutch ain’t one of them. I try to go Dutch as much as possible because it really tick’s my wife of. --arf arf

by Knoxfan on Feb 24, 2010 12:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree our offense needs help,

but not even the Greatest Show on Turf could outscore the points our current defense gives up in a lot of games. We have to improve the defense a bunch if we want to have any chance to win many games. Pass rush and stopping the run are the big issues – which is why DT, OLB and DE draw so much interest from so many. The only way I would move away from that type of draft is if the entire Rams leadership is convinced they have identified their franchise QB in this year’s group. Then I would still draft for defense after taking the QB.

by andyrose on Feb 23, 2010 3:48 PM CST reply actions  

It would figure

        That it would be this defense heavy draft that we identify our QB or the future. You gotta take what the draft gives you. This draft is D oriented. I like the TEs that I think will be available in the 3through 5th rounds and I want no WRs in this draft. I’d like to leave the RBs alone as well. No QB till next year which leaves O-line and TEs. So we stick with Defense until a TE or Offensive lineman appears to have fallen into value.
        Stick with this basic philosophy and I’m happy.

by dbcouver on Feb 24, 2010 8:23 PM CST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about St. Louis Rams.
Start posting about the Rams »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

Connect_with_facebook

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Twitter-kevin-payne-right_small
We're Feelin' Real Good About Beating The Patriots
Dsc03827_small
Upon Further Review - Notes on St. Louis Rams Preseason Game 3

Recent FanPosts

South_park_caracter_small
Veteran RBs available right now!
Dpscamera_0183_small
TJ Whosyourmomma cut by Seahawks!!!!!
Small
Are the Rams gonna get Vincent Jackson?
Videoslideshow4_011_small
Is the Rams offense better than advertised?
Ricky_prohel_small
MY Rams 53 Man Roster (Without Waivers/FAs)
Amonkeyridescat_small
Housh to Rams Scuttlebutt
Dave_small
OT: 2010 SB Nation Madden 11 Online Season for Xbox 360
Images_small
Fantasy League
Twitter-kevin-payne-right_small
@Kevin_Payne's Game Preview: St. Louis Rams vs. Baltimore Ravens
Stlouie_small
Toast without the Jam

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Latest NFL Headlines from SB Nation

Cover the web with Turf

Add a little Turf to your internet!

Become a fan of TST on Facebook.

Follow TST and talk more Rams on Twitter.

SBNation.com Recent Stories

FILE - In this Aug. 28, 2009, file photo, Arizona Cardinals quarterback Matt Leinart looks to throw against the Green Bay Packers during the third quarter of a preseason NFL football game. Leinart seems to be passing the challenge to his role as No. 2 quarterback. Passing would be the operative word. He threw for 360 yards in the second half against the Packers.  (AP Photo/Paul Connors, File) +6 updates

NFL Roster Cuts: Leinart, Houshmandzadeh Among Players Cut As Teams Trim To 53 Players

St. Louis Rams quarterback Sam Bradford warms up before the start of a preseason NFL football game between the St. Louis Rams and the Minnesota Vikings Saturday, Aug. 14, 2010, in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Jeff Roberson) link

Rams Pencil In Rookie Sam Bradford As Starting Quarterback

New York Giants wide receiver Steve Smith, right, catches a 25-yard pass for a touchdown as Kansas City Chiefs safety Jarrad Page looks on during the second quarter of an NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 4, 2009, in Kansas City, Mo. (AP Photo/Jeff Roberson)

Report: Chiefs Trade Jarrad Page To Patriots One Day After Signing Him

More from SBNation.com >


Managers

Turfshowtimes_small VanRam

Editors

Spags_victory_small 3k

Authors

340x_small kevinramsfan

Wildcat_small Tackle Box

Ramshelmet_small taiko

79de1760b8532ce8_small ram_rod

Dsc03827_small CoachConnors

Peter_small VTramsFan

Mardygilyardsig_small Tevin T. Broner

Photo_small Hark Dulai

27001_1297293834928_1307820105_30913780_1670936_n_small Brett Gall