Rams and Tampa Bay talking trade?
by VanRam on Feb 20, 2010 7:16 AM CST
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The weekend begins with whispers of a trade rumor involving the St. Louis Rams, the number one pick in the draft and Michael Vick.
It's being said that in addition to their interest around Vick, Billy Devaney has been in "exploratory discussions" with Tampa Bay to swap first round picks (our first and their third) with either one of the Bucs' two second round picks or their third round pick. That trade would assure Tampa that Tampa drafts Ndamukong Suh, who they have at the top of their draft board and are said to be downright infatuated with the Nebraska DT. For the Rams, picking third allows them to draft a QB and sign him at a more reasonable level than if they used the first overall pick.
There's one more interesting angle to this trade rumor. Sources cited in the article say the Rams have some interest in Tampa's 2008 fifth round draft pick, QB Josh Johnson. The former San Diego State star was one of Gruden's draftees, and isn't likely to figure into the plans for the Josh Freeman-led Bucs.
...they’re "very high" on third-year quarterback Josh Johnson, who they would insist being in a potential trade with Tampa Bay. Rams officials compare Johnson favorably to Vick athletically, but they feel that he has a greater upside as a passer.
With Mike Reilly and Keith Null on the roster already, adding Johnson would give the Rams a trio of unheralded passers with plenty of potential. Of course, if such a deal were consummated there'd be no way all three guys would stay on the roster, definitely not if they drafted a QB after trading down in the first round.
I would love to see the Rams make a trade like this. However, it's just one of many potential trades that the rumor mill will be hawking over the next two months. That's why rumor season is almost as exciting as the draft.
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I'd like this
but I don’t see us taking a QB at #3 after trading for Johnson. What about trading further down ?
If we make this trade...
and get Johnson with it we won’t go QB at #3. If we make this trade and then get Vick, I think we may go QB at #3 considering Vick’s age. But I think the most likely thing I see happening in either situation is us trading even further back, staying in front of the Broncos, and taking Dez Bryant. But if a trade back is not possible and we have to stay at #3, I could see us reaching a little bit for Bryant, taking Berry or Haden. Of course that’s assuming Suh and McCoy are gone.
Interesting!!
I like it, for the bucs, I think they really want that next warren sapp, and detroit will undoubtedly take McCoy if Suh goes number one….leaving them with Berry or Okung, since QB isnt really an option. Rams obviously could use everything, and would have both Clausen and Bradford available as well as Berry. but if they get an extra #2, thats huge!!, 3 picks in the top 40 (ish)…..johnson could be fine, but I am not sure you bet the farm on him.
Tampa trade
No No no we need to build our defense. With Suh our D-line becomes respectable. What good is a quarterback if everbody scores 40 points on us. Defense wins !
Chris
hmm
seems logical but the Rams can only score 7-10 points a game, usually all field goals. I’m more in the camp that the reason the defense was so bad, was because the offense couldn’t stay on the field and often gave opposing teams short fields.
Not really true-
The Rams score 7-10 points per game with everyone on IR. When we start this season with the respectable starters we have, plus the newbies, we’re going to rate pretty high. The defense needs a boost yes-but I think we are a lot better than what developed in 2009.
Well, on the other hand, what good is a defense if you do not have an offense to score any points!
We scored a league low of only 175 points during the whole 2009 season. That’s just a hair above 10 points per game. So the argument can be made both ways. Face it, at least we have two 1st round draft choices on our D-line but we do NOT have a QB of any quality. Bulger’s more than likely gone, Boller is gone. That leaves us with just Keith Null and Mike Reilly, neither of which I would like to go with for the 2010 season. Vick is definately not the answer at QB and the only good QBs in the draft will gone after the 1st round. At least if we trade and get 2 picks for our 1 and ONLY drop to the 3rd overall spot we will be have an extra pick to hepl fill our many, many holes.
So if we take Suh I want you to tell me who is going to quarterback out team next season?
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
Reilly-and here's why
He is more accurate than Bulger was in his best years
He spent his college years in a similar “west coast” type offense
He spent half of his playing time under center
He is widely accepted (from sports writers) as having NFL abilities
He is as good as Vic ever was in scrambling from the backfield (400+ yds per year)
He is already controlled by the Rams
Research his Bio and you’ll see his other attributes.
Yeah, and he's a division II football player...
just another Division II player like Keith Null. No thanks.
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
Division II flunky's?
Jerry Rice or Lyle Alzado or Howie Long or Don Beebe or Brian urlacher or
Brian Westbrook or Joe Flacco—To these guys you would say “no thanks” because they were Division II? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Urlacher was UNM
Thats D1 in the Mtn West. I think Villanova was D1 when Howie went – but it was D2 for sure w/ Westbrook.
Free Brandon Wood!
Some sources
Have a lot of players transferring in and out of DII schools. Also D-IA is listed both ways. I didn’t bother to research it down that far. There is lots of web info on the subject, one which is D2 Alumni in the NFL. It is also true that the NFL looks a little differently at the separation of them, because DII schools also play DI opponents. Example-Reilly QBacking DII CW against DI Montana. (I think it said that) It’s kind of irrelevant anyway because the NFL is full of DII guys.
Knox, I believe you
but the fact is that he’s never played. He may be a good college player, underrated, whatever, but you can’t say anything about him in an NFL scope until he plays in the NFL.
The House of Spears reigns supreme
Yea-I see your point
I better stick with Bradford or Clausen, at least from an NFL experience standpoint. To bad Reilly has only played in NFL preseason games and went thru camp already.
hahaha
Point, Knoxfan
He took. It out.
by flipthebird15 on Feb 21, 2010 1:42 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe I'm a little to lazy this weekend
But you guys are talking like DII players are almost non-existant in the NFL. All these other sites have rows and rows of current and past players from the DII arena.
Oklahoma. Florida. Southern Cal. Texas. Ohio State. Georgia. What do they all have in common? These powerhouse FBS schools will more than likely contribute the most players to the 2009 NFL Draft class. But for a player to have success in the NFL, do they HAVE to come from the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12 or Pac-10? Not at all. Division II has produced quite a number of current NFL players. Let’s take a look at a handful.Pittsburgh DE Aaron Smith (Northern Colorado) New York Giants TE Kevin Boss (Western Oregon) Green Bay CB Al Harris (Texas A&M-Kingsville) Seattle S Jordan Babineaux (Southern Arkansas) Buffalo P Brian Moorman (Pittsburg State) San Diego WR Vincent Jackson (Northern Colorado) Tennessee CB Nick Harper (Fort Valley State) Pittsburgh WR Nate Washington (Tiffin) Detroit QB John Kitna (Central Washington) Oh yeah, and there’s a kicker from Indianapolis named Adam Vinatieri , who is a proud South Dakota State
I'm not saying a lot of good players don't come out of DII
But still that is probably less than 1% of DII players. I’m just saying we shouldn’t rely on Reilly to be our future as the level of competition is much greater than DII college. You can’t just name a guy like that the answer to the QB problem before seeing him play and after only 1 season on the bench with 3 different teams.
Think again sport...
The facts are there’s a big difference between a Division I and a Division II school. At least some of the NFL players you speak of did NOT come from Division I schools.
Second of all, there’s a big difference between not even being drafted (265 players were drafted last year) and being drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds…it’s called ‘talent’. The plyaers you mentioned had/have talent.
Jerry Rice attended Mississippi Valley State University. Their sports teams participate in NCAA Division I (I-AA for football) in the Southwestern Athletic Conference (SWAC) NOT in Dividion II. He was selected in the 1st round (16th overall).
Howie was selected in the 2nd round (48th overall) He attended Villanova University, another Division I school which by the way their record was 14-1 this past season and they beat undefeated Montana for the 2009 NCAA Division I Football Championship…
( http://www.villanova.com/sports/m-footbl/nova-m-footbl-body.html ).
Brian Urlacher attended the University of New Mexico, which is another Division I school and he was selected in the 1st round (9th over all).
Reilly attended Central Washington, a true Division II school. If he has any talant then tell me why wasn’t he drafted when there were 256 players from the college ranks that were? If you have the answer let me know?
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
A glass half empty/full
It’s all in the details-sport-just the facts, nothing fancy
1. Like I posted, Jerry Rice did not attend a DI school. Does it really matter?
2. Jerry Rice was drafted high. Does it really matter on the talent front?
Rice will be sharing a spot with undrafted Curt Warner at Canton.
3. The stories could go on ad-nausea, and each side sees the glass in a different way. I think Reilly has the better chance of success over Bradford or Clausen. Being DI or DII really has no bearing-but that’s for another topic-
What?!
how can he be more accurate than Bulger???? the dude hasnt taken an NFL snap outside of the practice squad.
Neighter had Sanchez when he went to the Jets
Bulger has the talent to start for the Rams, but has become brittle over the years. Training camp will tell. I don’t know Reilly, just what the media has said about him and the few clips of tape I could find. He looks good to me, like a young Vic with Farve’s arm.
I don't think someone as athletic as Vick in his prime and someone with Favre's arm goes through 3 teams in 1 year and has yet to play a down in the NFL.
I think you’re giving him way too much credit.
Probably so-
But I’m a sucker for a sad face. I felt the same way about Warner after he got busted with the Rams, then got beat out by two rookies on two other teams. It’s tough for an undrafted guy to do that. Maybe in my dim sight I see a correlation here?
currently Rams hjave more talent on D
but the talent is underperforming, esp on Dline…..offense has 2 guys who have any shot at a a probowl in Jackson, and Jason Smith
but you can still go heavy defense and get a QB….clausen or bradford at #3, and then use your 2 × 2 round picks and your 3 (remember TB trades one of their 2nd rd picks) on the defense. say Arthur Jones DT syracuse, and whichever DE drops (maybe Brandon Graham, Everson Griffen, Pierre-Paul), maybe a top OLB like Sean Weatherspoon or Penn State’s Navarro….good DBs will be available in the 3rd ….we would have 3 picks to spend on D btw 33 and 65
I'm not
This is the last year we want to get a franchise QB. How many hints do we need? Suh and McCoy are clamoring over each other to prove they are head and shoulders above everyone else in the draft, a point already taken. Clausen and Bradford need time to heal? I know these injuries are under control but damn, we have the first overall pick. The QB position is too poorly represented this year. Any year but this year. The biggest problem with that statement is that it sounds like a cliche’ but it happens to be true. Theres no doubt we can use Suh in our future, for a long career, probably. There is doubt about Clausen and there is doubt about Bradford. Just my opinion but I feel a snowball coming up behind me, and I’m not sure I’m ready for another draft that I’m not supremely happy with.
I like the trade idea
but only if we have someone who can (or at least has) performed at the QB position before. and NOT vick, he never performed as a QB. This would be great and a superb way to keep Bulger for another year to train either Bradford (my pick) or Clausen. Two second round slots gives us a really good shot at an OLB and a different d-lineman. I think this could work, but I have to say I am still very skeptical of any trade situation, there is so much smoke and mirror operations going on between now and the draft; this could all be just a wash.
If we could work the trade for Tampa's two top picks,
I could see us taking Bradford with the first rounder, then defense with our two high second round picks. There will still be some very solid defenders there at the start of the second round. I just don’t see Josh Johnson being involved. That part does smell like a smokescreen for something else they might have in mind.
The timing of the trade is important
There are two sides to this.
If we are planning on drafting a QB at 3 we can’t do it too early and give another team, like the Redskins, a chance to trade into number two. Sure, we are still guaranteed Clausen or Bradford, but I’m willing to bet we are higher on one of the two and don’t want to settle for the other one. I would want Bradford if we go QB, and I wouldn’t want to take Clausen if he is all that is left.
If we are planning on using Johnson as our QB and not drafting a QB, we need to do this ASAP. If Johnson is our plan at QB we need to move fast so he can have time to learn and absorb the offense.
I’d like to know if we are planning on getting Johnson and drafting a QB. If that is the case, I’m not sure if we give up on Null or Reilly. I would keep Null on the practice squad, mainly because I don’t see someone picking him up with his awful stats thus far. Reilly is all potential which is why someone may want to add him off the practice squad.
I hope we trade down, and I have confidence in the FO. I didn’t think about getting Johnson in the trade and now I love the idea, although I don’t see why we’re only going after QBs with 40 times in the 4.4s.
Great trade idea!
I think we still should take the best QB @#3, and have four young QB’s to compete. With two 2nd round picks, they should go OLB and DL. Know matter what happens we can’t go another year without picking up a franchise QB, and that will not come in the 2nd round. I think Clausen is the best choice at this time, depending on Braford’s injury report.
Bradford's doctor says
he is well ahead of schedule and will be ready to play full time this year.
Trade Potential
1st, this trade will be unlikely to happen. However, if we trade down we draft a quarterback in a more appropriate spot. We pick the best available player with the remaining low round picks. If we have so many holes why do we focus on one or two positions. Never reach for talent based upon position. Pick talent 1st based on your draft grades and move on.
Bucs Lose too much
Suh is very good but the Bucs could conceivably pick up a a great DT at the 3 spot. Plus the $$$$$ associated with moving up. Take a look at what the Buc fan below says. Trades have to be potentially good from both sides and I feel this is wishful thinking on the Rams part. Hey, if the above scenerio materializes I will be the 1st one to say, heck yeah, but I doubt it.
by FightingAmish on Feb 20, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
If the Rams take Suh and the Lions take McCoy,
I don’t see another great DT for the Bucs to take with the third pick. I think that’s a little bit of wishful thinking as well.
I don’t think this potential trade is very likely either, but if it doesn’t happen I suspect the Bucs try to trade down to pick up more picks. That may be about as likely as the Rams hoping their potential trade with the Bucs happens. Trading down is tough at the top of the draft.
Too much
In terms of the financial commitment as he likely will get up to $35 million guaranteed. With a deep draft at DT and McCoy a better fit than Suh for the scheme here, i think they hope for the Rams taking a QB. But if you go Suh and lions go McCoy then they look to trade down for Brian Price or Dez Bryant as they want our QB’s learning curve to be shorter
Buc fan here
I dont think this trade happens because of the financial commitment. its more likely they trade out of the top 3 if the two best DT’s are gone though i love Suh but there’s too many holes in the team for us to give up some draft picks but if it does happen, you should be happy with Johnson because he has tons of upside. If you look at his 4 starts last season, he threw 4 TD’s and 8 INT’s but its a bit deceiving because there was no running game, receivers couldn’t get open and he had to throw the ball 30 plus times. He can throw the ball deep and can run
Didn't the Bucs
have the most money to spend in terms of cap room last year? And I just read something over at Buc’em that they are not cheap and are committed to winning. So Suh shouldn’t be too much of a financial commitment if they are committed to winning and are as high on Suh as I’ve hear they are.
The Bucs
Had the most money to spend last year but a lot have been made about the ownership’s other team in the UK with the debt and though the front office aren’t afraid to make a trade, i think they pass here and hope you select a QB which gives them the opportunity to select McCoy or trade out of the top 3. There are too many players on the team who are RFA’s and may want to negotiate a long term deal and their commitment to the QB will outweigh other options
I would love to have Berry and OJ at safety,
but that would mean trading James Bulter and I don’t think we would do that.
I only need three things: baseball, basketball, and football.
As much as I like Suh
I think this trade would benefit the Rams. They could geat Johnson but they also could draft a QB with the 3rd pick in the draft and go defense or wide reciever with the high 2nd round picks. They also could get Eric Berry, wich many people believe he is the best player in the draft and if the front office believes Johnson is a potential starter QB may not be a issue until the later rounds. I have trust that the FO will make the right decision.
stupid idiot trade ever
if the rams do this trade i will then be totally convinced that the powers that be do not know squat and i for one will find another team. i have been loyal to the rams for 42 years, but this will be it for me, because anyone who would make this boneheaded trade shows me that they are not headed in the right direction and i for one am too old to wait another 5-6 six years for them to fire everybody and then start new again. this trade ( if it goes down ) will make history as being one of the worst. if the rams are going to trade suh they damn well better get a whole lot more than that!
I'd believe all that if....
You didn’t stay through the previous 2-3 years, after all the stupid idiot boneheaded moves that were made during that time.
Called it two months ago
This trade just makes too much sense then and it makes too much sense now.
STOP THE VICK TALK. He is washed up, and as I said before, he will kill the team. I live in Eagles’ country and NO ONE thinks adding him the roster was good idea. Being a sociopath is something that takes a long time and a lot of work to fix , neithier of which I believe Vick has completed.
I guarantee that this trade will happen!
Because history has shown that the Rams do exactly the opposite of what I think they should. This deal makes no sense to me. You lose Suh, McCoy and potentially, the franchise QB you want all in the name of one extra pick and a former 5th round pick who doesn’t start on team that was just as awful as we were and who, according to at least one scouting report, “Still has mental lapses that can often lead to turnovers. Doesn’t read defenses well enough and precipitates his throws.”
Yeah, this deal is done. Count it.
You don't lose a franchise QB from that
You could still get either one barring a trade down by Detroit. If we don’t want one that’s a different story.
Bradford
would we really invest a #1 or #3 overall pick on a QB with durability issues? He reminds me of Bulger, accurate but injury prone………….dont trade down and just draft Suh. Let him give our D some serious atitude………..then for QB, read my sig
Jake Locker in 2011
Long Time Ram Fan second time poster
Wow a couple of notes, I am in Northern California and have been a ram fan since Pat Haden, Lawrence McClutcheon, John Capeletti. It has been hell because 95% of the people root for the Niners or Raiders. I have yet to make it to STL for a game.
Couple of things, I cannot stand the idea of Vick, but that is purely personal. I am not saint, but just find his acts morally reprehensible or despicable, (add any adjective here).
I am also new to this blog and see the lack of good receivers and o-line as our main offensive issues. While Bulger is too expensive I would rather have him throwing to some good receivers while behind a healthy o-line for the next year. IF WE CAN RENEGOTIATE. I say forget the QB issue for the year create system that utilizes Jackson, and the accuracy of Bugler and get him a couple of solid receivers. Trade down to get a Dez Bryant type and stockpile some high second round picks or try and develop what we have and draft a different guy in later rounds or give Reilly a go..
Look at some QB’s that have done well as later rounds
Brady, Bulger , Warner, Montana, Chris Chandler, Brad Johnson, Neil O’Donnell, Steve Beuerlein, Aaron Brooks, Jeff Hostetler, Bobby Hebert, Jake Delhomme,
Not a bad group, if the guy we get has nobody to throw to then it will be a same result BAD OFFENSE. Our defense would get better if we could control the ball and score more, I am not saying we need to light it up, but at least control the ball and take some pressure of. PLUS we never seem to get great value out of all our top d-line picks
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
please get the names right
Yikes, it’s utter blasphemy to spell those names wrong. It’s not McClutcheon! He didn’t work on cars! And it isn’t Capeletti, he didn’t wear a cape. How embarrassing….at least you didn’t call the qb “John” Haden… so you got 1 out of 3 right…but misspelling or mispronouncing former Rams names is just wrong. Please take advantage of the preview button when mentioning other Rams names from the past.
Back to the subject, someone up there mentioned Tony Banks, who had more potential but did less with it after his rookie season. This trade was just announced as official on NFL Network and wow… sure looks like a mistake to me. I see that the Rams are keeping up with their losing tradition and questionable decisions. I wonder if they’re going to even try to win games this year.
by Lakers since 1977 on Feb 22, 2010 7:26 AM CST reply actions
What are you talking about?
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Go easy on us non-Harvard guys
If you have a problem with the names back then, you’re gonna lose your mind when the names Nambigdong Suh and Obeyawnknobe are written about. Becides, you are a Lakers fan, so I gotta forgive your intellegence level, and o yea-Kobi sucks.
Horrible idea.
I’d say that most of us on the Cardinals blog are more worried about Suh than Johnson.
You guys have one of the best Defensive Linemen I have ever seen that you can scoop up with the first pick, yet the team is thinking about trading that pick away for a guy from Tampa Bay who probably won’t make much of a difference with the offense.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand band-wagoner fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
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