Revisiting the Rams needs at receiver
Not so long ago, last week to be exact, I had a post looking at the St. Louis Rams offseason decisions regarding their wide receiver needs. Among the first decision that need to be made will be whether or not to bring back Mark Clayton and Laurent Robinson.
After yesterday's game, they should already have their decision made on Robinson. Punt.
Robinson was targeted an astonishing 7 times, catching just 2 of the passes that came his way. His whiffs included some decidedly non-clutch moments when the Rams really needed him to come up big.
Sando nicely sums up the picture from Rams Park on the receiver situation:
Every NFL team needs third and fourth wide receivers. The Rams suited up four of them Sunday.
Donnie Avery will return next year, and assuming he's made a full recovery, re-signing Mark Clayton would make sense as well, given the receivers' proclivity for injury. Beyond that, the only roster spots worth guaranteeing are those of Brandon Gibson and Danny Amendola, both important situational players, not starters.
Devaney and Co. will almost certainly draft a wide receiver. I once thought that maybe it would be best to hold off on a first round pick, but now I'm not so sure. Some of that would depend on what the free agent market looks like. You can see what a difference a player like Vincent Jackson would make for this team. But front offices are usually reluctant to let talent like that walk.
Depending on what happens with the free agent market and the draft, there may not be any need to bring back Clayton. Ideally the Rams would add talent via both routes, and that would mean almost no incumbent roster spot is guaranteed. Not a bad thing by any means.
The picture at tight end looks a little better with the return of Michael Hoomanawanui, who was becoming a legitimate receiving option for Sam Bradford. Watching what the Chiefs were able to do with Tony Moeaki, and the inconsistency of Daniel Fells, really drove home just how badly the Rams need a reliable tight end. It's a shame that Fendi Onobun was lost for the season because this would have been a great year to get some "development" reps and experience with the offense. He'll essentially be starting over next year.
Expectations will be considerably higher for next year's Rams (if there is a next year) and they'll need established players in the system, not guys who are still in the development process, in the top spots on their roster.
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I for one like Clayton.
I also like Alexander. I watched him play at Mizzou the entire time he was there and except for his knee problems when he’s healthy he can be a real star and get a lot of YAC.
Having said all that, I am not apposed to getting another deep threat reciever because Donny Avery just can’t seem to shake the health issue. However, I would hope to get one in the 2nd round but like you said I’m waiting to see what shakes out at the end of the season during FA and by then we should have a better picture of what WRs are available in the draft.
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
We need!
To draft at least 2 receivers in the draft and sign clayton back and we can blow up all the other wrs on our team ! Yeah i said it only bring back clayton and illinois mike at te and get rid of everybody i like danny but he is slow on kickoffs and cant get open when teams scheme against him! And just watching billy bajema run is painful to watch! He should be selling cars in iowa somwhere! Can u tell im pissed at our team from top to bottom.
by kevio3000 on Dec 20, 2010 8:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
how about we draft a cb or scat rb that can also return punts and kicks wih 4.3 speed instead of lose danny?
it really bugs me how reactionary some people are on here.
what ever happened to being level headed?
Bradford to Onobun!
Yes, a scat back with good hands and YAC ability would fit the offense well
I don’t know if Noel Devine fits the 4 pillars well, but he catches pretty well out of the backfield and could make people miss. Where would you project him to be in the draft? I would guess 4th round.
level headed?
I am a diehard fan and have been so since there days in cali. And i am tired of watching mediocre play,questionable drafting and sometimey coaching! Just frustrated.
by kevio3000 on Dec 20, 2010 10:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I salute you!!!!!
Too many peaches and creamer type Americans who get all flustered under scrutiny. Fact is, Rams suck, the FO has sucked, the ownership has sucked, and barring a few good years before sabatoging the team, the Rams have sucked since I first became a fan. I always felt at some point in my life, I would like to see a Rams organization dominate like the 49er’s did in the 1980’s and 1990’s or Dallas in the 1970’s and 1990’s, or currently Pittsburgh, Baltimore, New England (yes, it is coaching and FO quality)
Get rid of the losers and untalented over-achievers. We need winners only. No need to feel sympathetic for those who can’t produce. In fact, Spags needs to be a bit like Mike Shannahan – take no schit and when losing, schit can the losers who are not performing as they are paid to perform. This is a busines too that relies on the fanbase.
Our WR's will be...
better next year. DX, this is his 1st year in the NFL and has tons of potential. And next year, we should do all we can to keep Clayton and Avery will be back too. Gibson makes a good #4 WR. Obviously, Robinson and Gilyard are huge dissapointments. And Danny is great so he won’t be allowed to walk.
I’d like to see the Rams attempt to get a #1 WR but wouldn’t be heart broken if they pass on them instead. But they really need to draft top CB’s to help Bartell so he doesn’t have to Run down the “Track Star” running back from the other side of the field. (nicely done Ron).
If we draft a WR...
…then its gotta be with out #1 pick. Either go big time or go home! Receivers taken in the 2nd round our later can only be expected to help the team marginally. We need a contributor now! I like keeping Clayton, Gilyard, DX and Amendola for next year. But Amendola has gotta be a backup WR, not the #1 option…that’s just a joke.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 20, 2010 9:49 AM CST reply actions
hmmmm, let me think....
Desean Jackson, 2nd round (after Avery and Thomas… yep, that hurts to remember).
Mike Williams, Tampa Bay WR, taken 4th round (he was the next WR taken after Gilyard… ouch again).
Anquan Boldin, 2nd round
Isaac Bruce, 2nd round (not bad..)
Chris Chambers, 2nd round (was good for a bit)
Chad Ochocinco (aka.. Johnson), 2nd round
Vincent Jackson, 2nd round (late)
Greg Jennings, 2nd round (late)
Steve Smith (NYG), 2nd round (late)
Sidney Rice, 2nd round
Terrell Owens, 3rd round
Hines Ward, 3rd round
Steve Smith (Carolina), 3rd round
Anyway, you can see where this is going… there are a ton of #1’s who were selected after the 1st round. And there are a huge amount of busts that were selected before them. Amazing that the GM’s and their Scouts don’t have drafting WR’s down better.
Those are called draft steals my friend!
Any genius can recall WRs that turned out to be great players, so let’s do this the more legitimate way and look at the first and second rounders over the past 5 years:
2006: First rounders: Santonio Holmes; 2nd rounders: Chad Jackson, Greg Jennings, Sinorice Moss and Devin Hester. I’d take Holmes over a one in four chance I have at getting Jennings.
2007: 1st rounders: Calvin Johnson, Tedd Ginn, Dwayne Bowe, Robert Meachem, Craig Davis and Anthony Gonzalez; 2nd rounders: Steve Smith, Dwayne Jarrett and Sidney Rice.
2008: 1st rounders: None; 2nd rounders: Devin Thomas, Jordy Nelson, James Hardy, Eddie Royal, Limas Sweed, Malcolm Kelly, Desean Jackson, Jerome Simpson and Donnie Avery.
2009: 1st rounders: Heyward-Bey, Crabtree, Maclin, Percy Harvin, Nicks and Britt; 2nd round: Brian Robiskie and Mohammed Massaquoi.
2010: 1st rounders: Demaryious Thomas and Dez Bryant; 2nd rounders: A. Benn and Golden Tate.
So you see my friends (and the shithead that is jlcdb70) the odds of getting a good WR in the first round is far greater than the chance of getting a good one in the 2nd round. Just because you can “think of examples” that doesn’t mean that waiting til the 2nd round to get a WR is probable. Cause we’d be far more likely to to get a bust in the 2nd round than the first.
Here’s a game you can play:
Go through all of the picks I’ve listed. Judge all of the first rounders as “good” or “bad” people to be your #1 receiver. And then do the same with the 2nd rounders. What do you get?
I get…1st rounders: 11 good and 4 bad. 2nd rounders: 6 good and 14 bad.
That proves my point! GO BIG TIME OR GO HOME!
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 20, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
I think you are both on that white powdery stuff. (Sniff, shiff)
By the way guy, why did you only go back 5 years?
Anyway, I think you two cancel each other out. There have been some great WRs taken in both rounds, first and second. My point (if you go back to the 1st comment) was that the first round should go to the position that serves two purposes: 1) the biggest need on the team and 2) the position that would provide the best return for the team. Right now (in MHO) I don’t think WR fits either of those purposes.
And just one other thing, if you are a true Ram fan you should NOT blow up at the team but rather try to stay positive and REMEMBER the Rams are a young team for the most part and there was NEVER, EVER a great team that developed into a great team over night. It takes time to get all the pieces in place and remember this, when this season first started none of you were even thinking we had any chance at being in the playoffs this year. If you go way, way back I said in my comment two years ago, we won’t have a great team until 2011 and probably not until 2012.
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
Thanks Dad!
And you’re more than welcome to go back more than five years, I just don’t have the time, and my point has been made.
And I commented on the post by VanRam, not your comment.
And I never said I think we should blow stuff up. I’ve always been supportive of the rebuilding phase that the team is going through. But if we take a WR, we need to go for a big time guy, not Sinorice Moss and James Hardy hoping they can be the next DeSean Jackson. It’s just not probable and it’ll more likely than not be a waste of a pick…kinda like the drafting of Gilyard might be (I like Mardy and hope we give him a chance).
And in MHO, WR meets both of your criteria.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 20, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
I like where youre at with that Shea but
I’d perfer a solid FA like VJ to fill the role, no learning curve.
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
by DevsLaRams on Dec 20, 2010 10:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree 100% with you!
Adding a FA WR would be the best case scenario for the reason you said AND cause then we could focus on defense in the draft. BUT, if we don’t sign one, then I don’t want to pretend like we REALLY addressed the problem by taking one in the 2nd. I think its our biggest position of need.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 21, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
And where do oyou get off calling anyone a "shithead"?
You can swear all you want it just shows your ignorance. Foul language is always the recourse of those individuals who are verbally challenged with a limited vocabulary, short on intelligence and have the mentality of an immature adult or child.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
Ok you fracken idiot retard schit for brains ( a phrase I actually feel is relevant)
Who drafted Donny Avery?
And Who was drafted AFTER AVERY?
Time to shack-up with Scott Linehan?
D. Jackson in your face mutha sucka.
What happened to Mike Karney?
Having a fullback lined up in front of S-Jax will probably turn a 2-3 yard run to a 4-5 yard run which will make it easier for our dink and dunk offense.
Bye Jason Richardwilson.
Hello Vince Carcass.
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 20, 2010 11:43 AM CST reply actions
I could run faster than Mike Karney and I'm 74.
He’s on the bench because he is slower than molasses. That’s where he needs to stay. There are some excellent young FBs coming out of college, and we could probably get one in one of the late rounds that would be head and shoulders above Karney.
Who cares about how fast he can
his in there to block not to run. Since S-Jax usually gets hit right when he crosses the line of scrimmage. He could pick up that guy and it will probably be a bigger gain.
Bye Jason Richardwilson.
Hello Vince Carcass.
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 20, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
he's*
Bye Jason Richardwilson.
Hello Vince Carcass.
by Smoooth Criminal on Dec 20, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
If your fullback is nothing but a blocker,
the defense can pack another guy into the box. They have all seen tape of Karney when he does flare out and catch a pass. Linebackers can come from 10 or 15 yards away and tackle him before he gets back to the line of scrimmage. No, I’m not exaggerating. So they have no fear of him as a ball carrier or pass catcher. They just pack more guys in close and we don’t gain any more. If the coaches really thought he could make a positive contribution, he would have been on the field the last few weeks instead of sitting on the sideline. He will not be back with the Rams next year.
I will be pleased
with our WR situation as long as we have a proven FA (preferably either S. Rice or V. Jackson) + Clayton + DX and Amendola. The rest should be traded for better picks/players… especially slow-brains Gilyard!!
I'm not sure we need another CB...
…at least not a high pick. We got Fletcher and Murphy who are only in their 2nd and 1st year in the league…hopefully they’re still on the incline! We could use a nickel back though…Dockery had a terrible game yesterday. I agree with the OLB comment though…whew!
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 20, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Unless Green is available in the first i don't want a WR
We could get Baldwin in the second. (Maybe Blackmon if he comes out). But with our current Wide out situation, Amendola, DX, Avery, and Gibson should stay. Gilyard has potential but it doesn’t take an entire season to learn a playbook. Robinson just flat out SUCKS. And with Clayton, if we don’t draft a WR in the first or secondthen he should come back too. (FYI I’m probably the biggest Avery supporter TST). Also we need a WR over 6’1. I’m tired of seeing Danny or Gibson flail aroun in the air attempting to catch a ball just over their heads.
# 1 Need is Linebacker - After James
we have no one. These guys would not even be backups on other teams.
A frekin/ Men bro!
As if God is my witness we take a WR as a first pick.. I am driving down to Devaney Ave..

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