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2011 prospect watch (4-3 OLB edition) - Dec. 2nd

Washington OLB Mason Foster plays with passion.  And eye black.

(I'd been working on this for couple days, so don't assume TST is on some kind of draft binge today after Van's trio of picks and buckeyefan55's Rams-only mock 2.0.  Coincidence is coincidental.)

  Recently, I put up my big board for draft-eligible WRs, and it prompted a great discussion on prospects, WR names and how that affects their career projections, and even CBs.  Now I'm not saying TST runs draft talk on SB Nation, but soon after we talked WRs & CBs, Brian Galliford did the same at the mothership.  Let's stay a step ahead by getting to OLBs.

  For reference, here's MTD's most recent OLB big board.  Again, this board only addresses draft-eligible prospects, so the following true sophomore OLBs don't qualify for this board:

Nico Johnson Alabama
Ronnell Lewis OU
Gerald Hodges Penn St.

 

 

 

  And the scouting reports come from Mocking the Draft (MTD), Walter Football (WF), Draft Countdown (DC) or ESPN (ESPN) if available.

1 - Bruce Carter, UNC - Sr. (MTD, ESPN)

  Carter has the makeup you want in a Sam on and off the field.  He was one of the few who escaped the tidal wave of infractions in Chapel Hill after coming back for his senior year to graduate.  Without those returning defensive talents, the casual observer would look at Carter's stats and suggest he's plateaued or even dropped off.  That's just not the case, and in fact you could argue the opposite.

  Without the cover that his ex-teammates would have given him, Carter's much easier to avoid, and yet he's still making plays.  He's got the requisite athleticism and size for a Will, and his instincts (especially in pass coverage) have improved this season.  I'm skeptical of his prospects as a Sam at the next level in year 1, but with his natural ability, I wouldn't put it past him by his sophomore pro season.

The rest of my top 10 and a couple on the bubble after the jump.

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2 - Akeem Ayers, UCLA - Jr. (ESPN)

  Ayers is on the opposite end of the spectrum from Carter - bigger but less speed, though he's plenty fast to play in any system.  He's an interesting case at the Sam in run support, though as too much of his weight is in his upper torso.  You can check Ayers out in the UCLA-USC matchup this Saturday, although it's not being nationally televised to my knowledge.  UCLA won't be making a bowl game this year, so you may have to hit up some YouTube footage.

3 - Travis Lewis, Oklahoma - Jr. (WF, ESPN)

  Lewis is my highest-rated run stopper going into this draft, and he's got the versatility to play in a handful of positions in either a 4-3 or 3-4 scheme.  However, his coverage skills have been questioned by many spectators and exploited by opposing offenses, so if he finds himself at the NFL level being asked to play a lot of zone, he may be misdrafted.  That being said, with his athleticism, I wouldn't be surprised if he improves as a pass defender and turns into an elite OLB.  It just hasn't happened yet.  Lewis will be on full display in the Big XII Championship on Saturday against a strong Nebraska team that is just 10 points away from being in the national championship discussion.

4 - Terell Manning, N. Carolina St. - Soph. (n/a)

  Manning has exploded since the end of his redshirt freshman season in 2009, and I'm not sure if he's done yet.  The only question is if he's making MLB Nate Irving look better or vice versa.  I honestly think they're independently good enough to be successful at the next level.  I love his game and he might have the highest ceiling on this list, IMO.  He needs to work on his upright game, but that's easier to improve than the flaws other OLBs on this list have.

5 - Mason Foster, Washington - Sr. (n/a)

  Foster's the most confusing prospect on this list for me.  He plays on a very poor Washington defense, but he makes so many plays in nearly every aspect of the game.  Wes Bunting over at National Football Post said:

"looks like a very solid, yet unspectacular, starting caliber linebacker who could play at a number of spots on an NFL defense."

And I agree.  I don't see him as a star, but on the right team, I think he can be a very solid, very dependable starter.

(Note: Van just pegged Foster as a potential 3rd round pick for the Rams.  Seems sensible IMO.)

6 - Nigel Bradham, Florida St. - Jr. (n/a)

  He has the requisite size and power, but I have some issues with his instincts.  He's either going to blossom into a James Harrison-type power backer, or he'll be a depth guy.  I wouldn't mind if the Rams placed a bet on him though.

7 - Lawrence Wilson, Connecticut - Sr. (ESPN)

  Absolute ball hawk.  He has hit his ceiling, though.  I could see him touching the 3rd round for certain teams, but he has the lowest ceiling of anyone on this board.

8 - Sean Spence, Miami - Jr. (n/a)

  Spence plays with much, much more power than his size suggests (~6'0", 220-ish).  And while that raises injury concerns at the NFL level, it shouldn't detract from what he's done at the U.  I'm tempted to move him higher, but the size flag is holding me back.

9 - Dontay Moch, Nevada - Sr. (ESPN)

  Maybe the most athletic of this group and probably the fastest in terms of top-end speed (see #10).  Still, playing as a DE means a lot of tutelage is going to have to go in to making him productive in the NFL, especially if he's going to move into a 4-3.

10 - Zach Brown, UNC - Jr. (n/a)

  Insanely fast, insanely athletic, insanely raw.  Brown finally started getting a heavy workload this season.  It paid early dividends, but teams caught on to his skills and started scheming him out.  He's got a high ceiling, but he'll need more work to get there.  Easily one of the most prominent candidates on this list who would benefit from another year in college.

Top remaining 4-3 OLBs:

Colin McCarthy Sr., Miami
Demetrius Hartsfield Soph., Maryland
Mark Herzlich Sr., Boston College
Doug Hogue Sr., Syracuse
K.J. Wright Sr., Miss. St.
Chase Thomas Jr., Stanford

 

 

 

 

 

  Hit me up with your reactions to any of these guys whether you've seen them play or not.  And feel free to disagree with the whole damn list.  But let's be real -- the Rams need an OLB sooner rather than later, and if we don't go through free agency to fill the hole, one of these names will likely be a St. Louis Ram in 2011.

  Holler.

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Are there any starting OLB's in FA this offseason?

I think our priority should be someone (FA or draft) that can cover a back or TE moreso than being a run stopper.

… or am I still having nightmares about the 9er game?

I can take a beating ... I'm a Rams fan.

by Midasknight on Dec 2, 2010 11:20 AM CST reply actions  

Chad Greenway is expected to hit the market

He would be a great pickup.

David Harris and Stewart Bradley are also FA but I don’t know if they can play outside.

by MathB on Dec 2, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

david harris isnt going anywhere

and hes an inside lineabacker through and through. hes also a vital part of the jets defense and they are not gonna let him leave. easily the most under rated part of that team.

עם ישראל חי

by nodisrespect on Dec 2, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I like that you try to recognize

names that aren’t as commonly thrown around in the general public.

With Bruce Carter, I don’t see him at the SAM as much as a ggod fit for the WILL. He reminds me a lot of Will Witherspoon ala Carolina days. His instincts are impressive and his production on the field says more than what people will see in his stat lines. This guy has a very good understanding of “Time and space”.

I’m glad you made that comment about Terrell Manning and Nate Irving, because this was a question that I had. Is that they compliment each other so well that they are both so effective? Or is it that one is so good that the other is able to look better than he is by playing next to him?
This was the same question I had about the BJ Raji and Ron Brace tandem coming out of BC.

I was a bit shocked not to see Von Miller’s name in the list. He is one hell of an Athlete that has received quite a bit of recognition.

by CaliRamMan on Dec 2, 2010 11:56 AM CST reply actions  

word

  Yup, I agree on Carter being a more natural fit on the weakside, but I could see a team trying to move him over.
  On the teammate factor, it’s always something that needs to be taken into consideration with any prospect.
  And I don’t see Von Miller in a 4-3 at all. He could be a 3-4 beast, but he’d be a waste in a 4-3.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Dec 2, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

We need a Will :)

"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.

by douchiedude on Dec 2, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm hoping you project Greg Jones as an ILB

though I’d disagree.

Julio Jones for Rams 2011

by kinzav29 on Dec 2, 2010 12:02 PM CST reply actions  

I do.

I think he fits more as a 3-4 inside linebacker, but with good OLB support, I suppose he could anchor a 4-3. Dude is small for a NFL MLB.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Dec 2, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Danny Trevathan

Any thoughts on Trevathan from you guys? Hes a little smaller at OLB, but possesses good speed and has been insanely productive in the SEC. He is considering leaving Kentucky as a junior.

by sandlot193 on Dec 2, 2010 1:03 PM CST reply actions  

His numbers are great

and he’s a very good tackler with good lower body bulk, but his first step is slow and he’s very sluggish to accelerate. I could see him as a guy that develops into a useful member of a LB corps, but he doesn’t excite me like the other prospects. If I stretched my big board out, I’d have him around 19th or so.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Dec 2, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

To me Travis Lewis in second round is the best scenario at this point for the Rams, If he’s gone Mason Foster in the third would be great too

by MathB on Dec 2, 2010 1:23 PM CST reply actions  

nope

He’s low 20’s if I stretched my board out.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Dec 2, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind the rams taking 2 OLB's

maybe carter or ayers early and then bradham, foster, or manning(?), anywhere from 3-5. Also 3k, do you think that von miller could be a good 4-3 outside ’backer?

by Josh Wehrle on Dec 2, 2010 1:49 PM CST reply actions  

No to Miller in a 4-3

His best assets are his first step and his pad level. Those skills don’t translate to 4-3 OLB – they’re just not that important. He’d be behind so many peers who have played in the 4-3 for years that have better recognition, pursuit and instincts. Someone who runs a 3-4 defense might take him before our second round pick anyway, and he’s certainly not a first round caliber 4-3 OLB.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Dec 2, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

BTW, buck

Dan dropped MTD’s official scouting report for Torrey Smith today

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Dec 2, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

he's good

but he will never be a number 1 (IMO) and that is what Bradford really needs. The only way I see the rams taking a chance on him is if he is available in round 4 or 5, and we decided to cut ties with gibson, robinson, and gilyard, clayton, or avery. Also im assuming you meant to show this to buck nasty, as he is the maryland fan, but I figured since you replied to me, I would give you my two cents lol

by Josh Wehrle on Dec 2, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

aw crap

I mixed you two up. My apologies to you and Buck. Buck me for fotching that one up.
And I’d be shocked if he gets out of the mid-3rd. As you and MTD suggest (and I agree), he isn’t a proto #1 type, but he could be an incredibly effective complement to a possession receiver in many systems. And no, I don’t think he’s a good fit for the Rams, but that’s not a knock on his NFL value.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Dec 2, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree...

Carter would be a nice addition. But if we don’t pick an OLB in the 1rst round, Foster sounds more realistic. And I like his intensity.

by ZamRam on Dec 2, 2010 4:11 PM CST reply actions  

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