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CFB watch list for week 10 / 2011 NFL Draft open thread (Under the Radar edition)

  A couple notes before getting into my watch list for this week of college football:

 - ESPN's Adam Schefter's mailbox from Monday suggested the Bills must take a franchise QB in the 2011 NFL Draft, options be damned (insider subscription).  I was thinking what teams could take a QB under the radar, and I came up with two: the Dallas Cowboys and the New England PatriotsTony Romo's only 30 (which in Favreyears makes him pre-pubescent), but until breaking his collarbone, he had thrown just 11 TDs to 7 INTs.  And this with Miles Austin, Dez Bryant and Roy Williams.  Compare that Sam Bradford's 11-8 TD-INT ratio with his WR corps, and then tell me Dallas wouldn't be well served by taking a flyer on a mid-round QB.  And as for the Pats, Tom Brady's having a solid season, no doubt.  But at 33 with a knee that's been operated on and a Moss-less Patriot receiving corps, things are already trending downward.  In the four games with Moss, Brady completed 69.67% of his passes; since moving Moss to the Vikes, Brady threw at a 60.19% rate.  Adding Deion Branch stemmed the bleeding, but with the cornucopia of picks the Pats have amassed in the first two days of next year's draft, don't be too surprised if they take a top QB as well.

 - If there's a matchup from this weekend that should intrigue Rams fans, it's probably that between Alabama WR Julio Jones and LSU CB Patrick Peterson, a matchup detailed by Todd McShay over at ESPN (insider...sorry).  Last year, Peterson won the matchup handily.  A similar matchup between Florida CB Janoris Jenkins and Georgia WR A.J. Green went to the defender last weekend in the Gators' 3-point win.  Jones is healthy, unlike last year, and Peterson could be more fatigued with return duties.  Here's my bottom line: if Peterson can keep Jones in check, I don't think it affects either's stock much.  However, a big game from Jones brings him back into the conversation for the top WR prospect.

 - Matt Hinton almost got it right over at Yahoo!'s Dr. Saturday: It's not that time is running out for Jake Locker.  It's already run out.  Sure, he showed some guts by facing Stanford with a cracked rib, an injury that will take him out of this weekend's contest between Washington and the undefeated offensive machine that is Oregon.  But the bottom line is that if you were looking to see which QB prospect had the tools and intangibles you want in a franchise QB, you weren't overly impressed with Locker, especially when juxtaposed against Stanford QB Andrew Luck's systematic dismantling of Washington (which ironically featured Luck's best rushing day).

 - Mississippi St. sophomore DE Nick Bell died from cancer Tuesday.  I don't give a shit what you do or who you are; if you don't feel any compassion for him and the people who cared for and about him, then find something sharp and sprint into it.

 - Arkansas WR Greg Childs, one of the better WR prospects from the 2012 class, is out for the year with a knee injury.  Here's hoping for a strong return to the Razorbacks next year.

 - Random note that doesn't have anything to do with prospects: the fact that TCU-Utah isn't being broadcast on national television is a pile of zombie shit.  They're both in the top 5 in the BCS standings, because they're both undefeated and it's early November.  Instead, ESPN is showing the Breeder's Cup and ESPN2 has a pair of games, one of which is Northwestern at Penn St.  I'll say that again - Northwestern v. Penn St. trumps TCU-Utah in ESPNland.  I feel like ESPN is farting up my nostrils while ESPN2 is kneeling on my shoulders.

 For the watchlist, I went for some games that you probably weren't planning on watching this weekend, but after reading my watchlist, you and I know damn well you're still not going to watch most of them.

  One you might catch is tonight's Battle of the Techies: Georgia Tech vs. Virginia Tech.  Someone I think that isn't getting fair national attention is Georgia Tech's sophomore DE Izaan Cross.  He's headed for a 3-4 DE spot, but for a guy who's just under 300 lbs., bro can move.  Name points are a plus.

  And I finally got around to adding Dante's favorite college QB: Houston's Case Keenum.  Of course, Keenum's out for the season with an ACL tear, but he's applying for a 6th year.  If it's declined, obviously, he'll have to head up to the NFL.  For Rams fans, though, I'd point to two other Cougars (not the Courtney Cox type) in the mix tomorrow night against Central Florida: Sr. WR James Cleveland and Soph. OLB Phillip Steward.  Cleveland's got a big frame that he uses well, especially in intermediate routes.  I really like Steward though.  He plays faster than his natural footspeed.  And while he's not draft eligible this year, since he's a true sophomore, if you catch this game, try to pick him out when UCF has the ball.  I think he's got a shot at being a 2nd round pick.

  My post-Gameday Saturday morning pick is the Syracuse-Louisville game.  I'll point out # players of note. From Syracuse, look for senior OLB Doug Hogue, junior DE Chandler Jones and sophomore WR Alec Lemon.  On the Cardinals' side, junior OLB Dexter Heyman just doesn't make a lot of plays, but he's an athletic talent.  Both teams feature future NFL running backs in Delone Carter and Bilal Powell.  Louisville might be without Powell; he's coming back from a sprained knee and is a gametime decision.  Check out Carter if you haven't seen him in action this year.  He's a compact back who plays with a lot of power for being so short, and recognizes developing lanes really, really well.  He could be a steal in the draft for a team that needs running back depth.

  I'll just point out one guy from Saturday's Wake Forest-Boston College game: Wake's junior DE Kyle Wilber.  He's got game, but he's so much smaller than some of the tackles he goes up against, and he doesn't have the speed to beat them around the edge.  He does get off the line well though.  Reminds me a bit of George Selvie, but doesn't have as many moves as Selvie did coming out of USF.

  And in the late game, Missouri takes on Texas Tech.  I'll let people parse the watchlist for possible Rams, but if you haven't seen Missouri's redshirt sophomore DE Aldon Smith, you should.  He's got all the things you look for in a top DE prospect.  I don't think he'll come out this year, but if he does, it certainly makes things interesting for teams that are looking for a complete DE.

  Draft thoughts, names, future Mosses or sharp things to sprint into on your mind?  Holler at me.

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3k I know we need a WR... no question

But realistically, with Bradford playing the way he is with practice squad guys, what’s your thoughts on our RB situation. Honestly, SJAX isn’t getting any younger, and the last thing we need is for Bradford to start peaking and SJAX home on the couch and questions at RB.

So my question, is drafting a RB next year, possibly priority over WR at this point?

Steven has been hurt A LOT the last 2 seasons… it will only get worse next year, and onward.

Peace.

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on Nov 4, 2010 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

You're crazy...

…like a fox :)

I think we’ll take one of each in the first three rounds of the draft. But how could WR not be the higher priority at this point? Just my opinion…but I think SJ39 is less valuable anymore cause he doesn’t have breakaway speed anymore.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 4, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the point, Shea

If Jackson is less valuable, then you have to bring in someone to counteract that decline in the running game. If, though, the passing game is on the incline, then the need to counteract that is less. I’m not saying that’s necessarily the case (especially with 8 games to go in the season), but it’s delicious food for thought.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Nov 4, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

We all agree...Jackson could use a rest here and there, so a RB should be somewhat of a priority.

But he’s still got some game left in him, so I wouldn’t make a RB the highest priority like I would make WR.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 4, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree

Most elite teams besides the colts have 2 good running backs that can get the job done. Steven really needs to be relieved at times hes a monster and a trooper playing through pain but like VT said its only going to get worse as he ages I’d like to see a decent pick up at the running back position. And also 3K love your CFB scouting pages but I believe this year it’s less popular on TST is that we actually look forward week in and week out to the team we have and we’re actually competing last year everyone kind of and including my self was just upset and we didn’t have to much hope but to get a good spot in the draft. But 3K i believe your one of the best in the biz when it comes to reporting ram football brotha.

by keeperskillz24 on Nov 4, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the love brother

I’m trying to limit it to the watch list thread and the open threads until, I dunno, maybe week 14 or so when I drop a new mock draft. But if you’re hungry for more draft, you can always head to Mocking the Draft. It’s thin on comments, but heavy on page views right now which proves something I’ve believed for years: the NFL Draft just isn’t being covered enough throughout the season.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Nov 4, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

My computer must be lucked up

    I can’t get the watch lists on it, but I can on my phone. Thats alright, though I don’t have to go far to get it there.

by dbcouver on Nov 4, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Weird

It’s just an Excel spreadsheet. I can email it to you if you want.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Nov 4, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

We could try

       It’s something about my excel being not supported or some other computer literate type term I know nothing about. Try dbcouver @ gmail.com

by dbcouver on Nov 4, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure it's possible

We’ve talked about it on Turf Show Radio, and I brought it up last episode with Aaron Hooks. If Bradford is doing what he’s doing with this WR corps, you have to assume that with another year of experience and improved chemistry, he, and whoever’s left from the current WR depth chart, will be “better.” But how much better can AxJax get? If anything, he could be on the decline with all the various injuries he’s suffered up and down his body. Either way, though, you have to believe those are two of the top priorities to target this offseason.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Nov 4, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK State vs. Baylor

Justin Blackmon of OSU looks like a replay of Dez Bryant. He has size and elite speed and knows how use his body to get in position to make plays. If he comes out he’s the best receiver in the draft.

by Raul Johnson on Nov 4, 2010 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

that was the guy who was suspended, right?

he has some rediculous stats but the got suspended recently?

What Would Joey Votto Do?

by OGC Reds on Nov 4, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes to suspended, maybe to "best" receiver in the draft

Bear in mind, he’s in the 2013 class with Alshon Jeffrey who I’ve been trying to hype up here since day 1. But sure, they’re both studs.
And Blackmon got suspended for a DUI/DWI. I put both in there because he wasn’t really drunk (tested well under the legal limit), but he’s a minor. He had something to drink at the Cowboys Monday Night Football Game a week and a half ago and on his way back to Stillwater got pulled over. He tested over 0.0000, so as a minor, he got charged. He only missed the Kansas St. game, so he’ll be back against Baylor on Saturday.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Nov 4, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alshon Jeffery...

BEAST. Absolute, freaking beast! Blackmon’s apology seemed sincere, I think he’s a good guy. Don’t know much about him though.

Take the leash off of the offense pleeeeeeease.

Signed, Rams fan.

by douchiedude on Nov 4, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh ok, thanks

I haven’t seen Alshon Jeffery, I have to check him out
But Blackmon is really good

What Would Joey Votto Do?

by OGC Reds on Nov 4, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely RIP Sparky

He was the essence of a baseball manager when the sport was thin on them. Great man for baseball, great man in general.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Nov 4, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?

I cant like the rams and reds?

What Would Joey Votto Do?

by OGC Reds on Nov 4, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

nicee

What Would Joey Votto Do?

by OGC Reds on Nov 4, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wide Reciever

There is a kid playing for IOWA and I believe he is a St. Louis native. Converted QB good size and great hands. Rams need to rake a hard look at Marvin McNutt.

Chris

by chrisrmsfn on Nov 4, 2010 1:56 PM CDT reply actions  

meeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhh

  Most of yall know I deployed most of this year to Iraq; we had a unit from Iowa, and I worked pretty closely with a huge Iowa fan. And all he ever did was yak up Hawkeye sports. Now I held my own, but holy crap this guy would’ve made a horrible NFL GM.
  You can check the watchlist; I’ve had McNutt on there twice, but I’m very low on his NFL ability. There are much, much better WR prospects out there IMO.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Nov 4, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sylvester Croom actually recruited Nick Bell.

So this hits close to the Rams family as well as the Bulldogs community. It’s such a tragedy that words can’t even come close to describing.

by AWolfAtTheDoor on Nov 4, 2010 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Utah vs TCU

is on CBSC. 152 on Dish network.

It is milk it may be spilled it may be delicious.

by shostag on Nov 4, 2010 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

My point exactly

It’s on a random ass college channel you get on satellite. Boo…

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Nov 4, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mountain West Conference

Blame this game not being seen on the MWC. ESPN has tried to purchase the right to individual games from the conference but they won’t sell.

by Utah Ram on Nov 4, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

RIP Nick Bell.

To be honest, I don’t want a runningback this year. I want to wait for Trent Richardson. If SJax were 29-30 right now then I wouldn’t be opposed to taking Ingram or a good second rounder but he at least has another good year or two in him and Trent Richardson is going to be a STUD. My top priority would be to bring in Sidney Rice. Rice would fit in perfectly in our offense and he would give Sam a REAL fade target and then we can focus on defense in the draft along with some o-line depth. Man I want Sidney Rice…

Take the leash off of the offense pleeeeeeease.

Signed, Rams fan.

by douchiedude on Nov 4, 2010 3:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm biased on Richardson

I think I’ve said on Turf Show Radio twice now: Trent Richardson is the next Steven Jackson. He’s incredible.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Nov 4, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

So then you agree that we should just wait, yes? =D

Also, I figured out that FanShots are just links lol but someone already posted that article so I just removed my post, I’m learning!

By the way, who’s your favorite wide receiver NFL prospect outside of Floyd, Baldwin, Jones and Green? I want to know because we may very well miss on those four if they go in the first.

Take the leash off of the offense pleeeeeeease.

Signed, Rams fan.

by douchiedude on Nov 4, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Richardson is a true sophomore

and is behind Mark Ingram for his second year. Honestly, I think he’s very much willing to wait behind someone of Jackson’s caliber. As Jackson gets older, more carries will go to Richardson, regardless of if he starts.

Take the leash off of the offense pleeeeeeease.

Signed, Rams fan.

by douchiedude on Nov 4, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh my oh me

   I thought he was a RSS, nm. But I was referring to him not waiting in school , not behind SJ. Anyhoo if he’s not eligible the whole comment kind of goes up in a fart.

by dbcouver on Nov 4, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

tough call on WRs

  It depends on what we want. By that I mean, do you want a size guy or a speed guy, possession v. gamebreaker. I’ll tell you this right now. Don’t be surprised if Baldwin drops into our range in the second. I don’t think Floyd will, and I’d be shocked if Jones or Green do, but I can see Baldwin sliding down.
  So if you’re asking who my favorite gamebreaker is, right now it’s Troy’s Jerrel Jernigan. He can’t take a game over, but he can be better than Dexter McCluster as a WR. For a possession guy, keep an eye on Texas A&M’s Jeff Fuller. He’s playing much, much better this season, and much of it is his outside routes. He’s working the out of bounds line very well, and that’ts something that translates tons of value to the NFL.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Nov 4, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm really not sure how I feel about that guy haha.

Take the leash off of the offense pleeeeeeease.

Signed, Rams fan.

by douchiedude on Nov 4, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a Buckeye alumnus and I had mixed feelings about them getting him!

I didn’t think he was gonna be a great pro, so I was pissed, cause then I’d have to hate him for being a wasted draft pick…but we all see how that worked out.

I think Posey is better than Gonzalez was in college. He makes huge, clutch catches all the time. I’d like for us to get him!

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 4, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm confused.

Why did you guys doubt Laurinaitis? I’ve heard nothing but insane good things about him even as a true freshman. As a non-Buckeye, I really liked the pick. I’m a USC fan and I still preferred JL over Maualuga (weird, I know).

Take the leash off of the offense pleeeeeeease.

Signed, Rams fan.

by douchiedude on Nov 4, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's my issue with Posey

  He’s a rich man-poor man’s Brandon Gibson. You get less YAC and more technique – same hands. Now, if Rams fans are all over Gibson’s hands, what will we say about a guy who can get more wide open and make the same drops? Just my assessment.
  He’s definitely someone I expect to go back for his senior year and avoid the WR blitz that is likely to come in the ’11 draft.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Nov 4, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

he can be pretty frustrating

by Josh Wehrle on Nov 4, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to buy into the Floyd camp

       Another guy I like is Greg Little, he’s gonna drop like Mike Williams, and I’d like to see us turn the other way on the pillars and consider him in the 5th.

by dbcouver on Nov 4, 2010 6:00 PM CDT reply actions  

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