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Would Randy Moss even fit the St. Louis Rams' needs?

Randy Moss circa 2010 is not the same Randy Moss circa 2007. That said, he still has more than enough value to help a team, especially a team starved for receivers like the St. Louis Rams

So what is Moss capable of at this stage of his career? Here's Bill Barnwell of Football Outsiders discussing Moss' value in an article at ESPN:

Based on his form in New England and Minnesota, Moss just isn't playing like someone who can dominate at every level. He can still jump over defensive backs and make fantastic catches, but he only has two plays with more than 10 yards after catch, and his success rate -- the percentage of the time he pushes his team towards a new set of downs -- has fallen from 57 percent in 2009 to 46 percent this year.

So, it looks like Moss is going to be best used as a complementary wideout that stretches defenses downfield, like a rich man's Chris Chambers.

That's exactly what the Rams need, a receiver to stretch the field. Prior to the season, that role was reserved for third-year wideout Donnie Avery. Injury felled those plans. Then, GM Billy Devaney swung a deal with the Ravens for Mark Clayton, which turned out to be a huge success for the Rams. Until Clayton was lost for the season in an ugly game at Detroit. Rookie Danario Alexander kind of filled that role in the Rams game against the Chargers, but he was limited because of the time he missed recovering from knee surgery. Now he's recovering from another knee surgery. 

Without those guys, the Rams have an very one-dimensional passing game, reliant on short passes and misdirection...making the best of the guys they have at receiver. That worked against Carolina, but might be tougher going against other defenses who can bottle up the Rams. 

Moss isn't that #1 WR that he used to be, though with the Rams you could probably expect stats similar to Mark Clayton's. Despite not being the Randy Moss of 2007, he would be an essential role player with the Rams, a prime target for rookie QB Sam Bradford and make the current group of receivers better. 

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Get him! We are in the playoff hunt and could use him with our injury depleted WR’s. If we don’t grab him the Seahawks might.

by ksmooth on Nov 2, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Forget it

No NEVER have Randy “THE ME FIRST GUY” on the St Louis Ram Team.

by learning on Nov 2, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

The YAC statistic is a little confusing in this instance, as Moss is almost constantly double-teamed and thus it is hard to get YAC with two guys on you. When he is double teamed, he takes a play off, which is what most smart players do to reserve energy. I think, if he didn’t bring the baggage, Moss would be the ideal weapon for the Rams. If he draws a double team, which he invariably does, he opens up room across the middle and for jax.

If we could sign Moss and he doesn’t get angry that he isn’t thrown the ball in double coverage, then we would have a chance to actually win the game. 1 year contract, then trade up in the draft for AJ Green.

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by Brett Gall on Nov 2, 2010 12:09 PM CDT reply actions  

i completely agree.

Both the Vikings and the Patriots were content with using Moss as a decoy to open up the field for the other players, and not try to find ways to get him the ball. When Moss is targeted, he comes through. I think a 1 year deal would really help this team.

by cardsfansouth on Nov 2, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

But he would be paid ~3M$ for this year

I don’t think we have the room for that kinda cash, but I don’t know. As for Moss as a Ram WR, don’t think he’d be a good fit since he’s a wildcard. He was very immature when the vike’s picked him up; He acted more like a like a baby rather than a grown man. That kind of attitude isn’t needed on our team IMO. His skills aren’t in question here, it’s his attitude.

by RamsFan1979 on Nov 2, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well said

We can do just well without him on our team.

by learning on Nov 2, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Double Team or Not, Sam the Ram will get him the ball...

…if you recall, as soon as Mark Clayton was signed, it almost seemed like he was Bradford’s exclusive target and it was working. Even when Clayton wasn’t completely open, the combination of Bradford’s accuracy and Clayton’s hands led to a lot of hookups and probably left the Ravens wondering if they made a mistake. Moss’ athleticsm, height and hands will be the ultimate weapon for the Rams to stretch the field and get Moss some catches AS WELL AS open things up for the other wideouts and the running game.

Devaney, Demoff and Spags? Please get Randy Moss!!!

Is it just me, or does Sam Bradford look like he can be one of the Jonas Brothers?

by NachoD on Nov 2, 2010 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Sure take him because the Rams need a wideout, not because he is Randy Moss...

…you need a go route guy that is tall and even if he cant get wide open anymore, all he needs is a step on a guy and that should be plenty for Sam’s arm to stick it in there.

However the Rams should offer him what his skills are worth, not what the name is worth.

by leadhead on Nov 2, 2010 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

the Rams have no choice in what he'll get financially.

He’s already under contract. Unless he passes through waivers, then he can negotiate a deal.

However, if the Rams really are interested in him, I’d suggest they don’t go that route and risk losing him to a higher bidder. Just claim him.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Nov 2, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

claim him, sign him to an extension

It would appear that Moss is disgruntled because he is not getting an extension. This Rams team would be fine is signing him for a year or two, look at T.O. that guy is older than moss and still getting it done. Show the man some love and leave it up to him how he wants to finish his career. just saying.

The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!

by DevsLaRams on Nov 2, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

valid point.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Nov 2, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok

so we get Moss, we will see production increases by S-Jax and our WR’s. Even though he isn’t what he was, defenses still respect him. So he would be that guy who helps us get down field by breaking down coverages. But I’m worried about his mentality.

What Would Joey Votto Do?

by OGC Reds on Nov 2, 2010 1:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I just want to beat the stupid niners. Bring Holt back.

by Skunkburner on Nov 2, 2010 2:37 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Holt quit.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Nov 2, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Serious problem: Vikes players saw him as a bad influence on their young WR star

Here is the original article linked by jb22 over here.

My God they cut him outright……the real worrisome point was from OP’s article, reprinted in my comment:

some Vikings had grown disillusioned with his attitude. From the receiver’s uneven effort in practice to his displays of self-centeredness off the field, some veterans believed Moss was becoming a bad influence to young players like second-year wideout Percy Harvin

I mean we have Gilyard, brand new. We have Avery maybe if he comes back and can stay healthy. And we’ll probably have some draftee by the time next camp rolls around. As I said, its one thing to be in the coach’s doghouse but to have players think you’re a cancer to young stars is a pretty serious accusation for a team as young as the Rams to have to deal wtih.

Remember they cleaned house to allow young stars with great work ethics to come in and freely establish their leadership without having to defer to old stars used to losing, or in this case, maybe a future HOF’er who has all kinds of ego problems and sounds like an all around jerk. Remember when he said he smoked pot, but hey, only in the offseason! Yeah…great, Randy…

I love his skills, when he brings them, but the cancer charge is, to me, a deal breaker. But thats just me.

by CoachConnors on Nov 2, 2010 3:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm very worried about that as well...

Hopefully that can be the difference in Chilly vs Spags. I feel like the demand of respect from the two is greatly different. Chilly=Pushover

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by clwxz5 on Nov 2, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah chilly is a spineless little worm

the players in STL love their coach and really believe in his system. i wouldnt be surprised if moss has a completely different attitude with us.

by Buck Nasty87 on Nov 2, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

CANCER

I agree Randy would be a bad fit for us.

by learning on Nov 2, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

My personal opinion is

That when you can get a guy llke Randy Moss without giving up any picks you should probably do it. I’m sure you will hear plenty of things in the media saying how terrible an influence he is and how much of a diva he is but i think you need to take them with a pinch of salt. The Vikings are clearly gonna have to try and spin this into a positive move for them and they are hardly gonna say he was no trouble to anyone but Childress. The front office has shown they won’t put up with any crap so if he plays up cut him again. No harm no foul. Not everyday you get to upgrade your reciever core at this stage of the season

by Stonedtodeath on Nov 2, 2010 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

His Contract

Ok so we sign him and then cut from the team in 4 weeks like his other two teams have, who is now paying his 3.8 mil contract, St. Louis or Minn or somebody else? Has anyone got the answer as to has to pay him after we get tired of his s**t and dump him..

by learning on Nov 2, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure it'd be us

But I thought Kroenke was supposed to be loaded. I’m sure he could eat a few million on a contract. Its a gamble sure but not one that will cripple this organisation. Its not like we traded a 3rd round pick for him. I just think there are certain times when the reward out weighs the risk and this looks like one of them to me

by Stonedtodeath on Nov 2, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

We do not need this guy on our team.

by learning on Nov 2, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just an thought

But isn’t S-Jax a monster compared to Moss, and SJ39 and Bradford have great chemistry, so if Moss starts something. I can see SJ39 putting him in his place. Moss ain’t got nothin on SJ

What Would Joey Votto Do?

by OGC Reds on Nov 2, 2010 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

exactly...

I am sure that BD and Spags will clear the air with Moss prior to bringing him aboard and if they deem him “fit to play” thats good enough for me.

The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!

by DevsLaRams on Nov 2, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Split the team

So you want the players to keep the guy in line. Do you think for a mimute this could and will split the team into groups, one side for and the other side against the trouble maker. Did we not have that last year and we know the resluts. Do no t want that again as we can win without him.

by learning on Nov 2, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

I just said SJ, not the other guys. Maybe Robbins but thats it.

What Would Joey Votto Do?

by OGC Reds on Nov 2, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Moss is Moss.

We’re not gonna set him straight, keep him in line, or change him. So the question is, is it worth it to have a guy who’s gonna speak his mind, who’s gonna have a big ego, who’s gonna slack off on some plays, who’s gonna complain, etc.? It’s a cost-benefit analysis. Which way it tilts I’m not sure, but I’d probably say it’s worth it given the dearth of alternative options at WR.

by mattyp on Nov 2, 2010 5:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree

If he acts up then cut him, but this might just have been a wake up call for him, if he wants to get paid next year. Also, there is no cap this year, so we don’t have to worry about that.

by mascettid on Nov 3, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here he goes again,

‘wants a ring and is willing to sit out this year if PO bound team doesn’t take him’ [loose translation]. What a jackass! I’d like to see him stay on the wire for a day or two before someone takes him.

by RamsFan1979 on Nov 3, 2010 2:41 PM CDT reply actions  

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