MNF open thread, Niners thread roll call, etc.
First off, I want to thank VT for rolling through Turf Show Radio with me on Saturday. It's not easy to voice coherent thoughts for a full hour, and he did it with ease. But even more thanks has to go to all the callers from the show. I'm glad we had so many jump in on everything from Randy Moss to Super Bowl dark horses. It was a great show, and one worth loading into your iPod:
And just a couple thoughts on the Niners game, and then I think I'm done with it.
I said it at the end of the game more than once, but this is the game we deserved. We can talk about Brandon Gibson's backwards momentum, Daniel Fells' drop, the Atogwe PI call, playcalling in the second half, Jason Brown's blocking issues, Spags' unwillingness to call for a long FG attempt, and all kinds of other things that we didn't do well. The point is that we didn't do a lot of things well, and it doesn't matter what they were in specificity.
The Rams are one of the few teams in the NFL whose record reflects their actual talent level. We're 4-5 overall and 0-4 on the road because we're just not that good. You can almost pare it completely down to that simple answer.
If you're down 17-20 late in the 4th quarter and your drive down the field to either tie or win in regulation relies on your one-handed RB on a wheel out route despite the fact you have one of the conference's best quarterbacks, your passing game sucks. And that's the biggest issue with our offense. It isn't run blocking, pass blocking or backup running back. Our passing game absolutely sucks.
When your defense is designed largely to cover up the fact that you have a Pro Bowl caliber MLB and third string caliber OLBs, your intermediate passing game sucks. We can talk about how good Bartell and Fletcher are down the field and how successful we've been in rushing the pass rush, but the easiest hole to exploit on this team is OLB assignments. You can't allow a successive 3rd & 32 and 4th & 18 to result in a first down and expect to win many games. Our outside intermediate passing defense sucks.
And lastly, I don't know how to fit this into the "this sucks theme," so I'm just going to say it: Spags isn't willing to lay his balls on the line yet. That's the bottom line. Every coach, when pressed into action, will man up. You don't get a head coaching position in the NFL without the balls to take your chances. Spags hasn't yet as the Rams HC, from the field goal attempt in Jacksonville last year to yesterday's delay of game pooch punt. I'm not saying he doesn't have balls, but he hasn't had to drop them on the table like Louie from the State. Part of that is his comfort level. He felt comfortable that his defense would hold. He felt comfortable that even if it didn't, Sam and AxJax could pull out a W. He's only got a season and a half yet to toe that line.
In 2011, the Rams should be competing for the NFC West division with relative confidence. That confidence can't just come from Sam Bradford, Steven Jackson, James Laurinaitis and Chris Long (who is turning into an absolute machine). It has to come from, and honestly start with, Steve Spagnuolo. If he isn't willing to put his reputation on the line to the same degree as his players during those 60 minutes of battle he demands of his players, then he's going to have a really angry fan base at the end of the 2011 season.
Roll call after the jump. Dump your Monday night anger here as Donovan McNabb's Redskins (minus two-minute drills) take on his old team, the Eagles.
Roll Call: VTramsFan, Edggy, 3k, JTPirate, ram_rod, leadhead, ksmooth, thebeast72, shostag, Redbirds_n_Horns, loyal2therams, Smoooth Criminal, Sundowner, TrojanRam, Raul Johnson, mooseknuckles41, Ramfest, Pat Willie, stlcardsfan4, LARams1968, AWolfAtTheDoor, mysterui, Carneros, IdGladlySellMySoulJust2KeepTheRamsAlive, TransplantedRamsFan, stlfan2004, Match Day 5, douchiedude, zaviex, Ramshackled, classic3283, cOOkies 4 cUddy, blindmouse, Buck Nasty87, dbcouver, Camo702, thehalobender, TheBirds, MyGirlMakesMeRamwiches, Sofanumber1, stuman89, Jombari, NCRam55, DiscoJer, moy, Infemous, thisguy, MathB, markg1127, kinzav29, Throw, Skunkburner, central1188, buckeyefan55, Marty McKeown, RamsQb5, wchtg6, LAraman, JordansDad, jlcdb70, stgeorgie, B_Edelman, weezul12, athooks, Swatsky, hr, mrgenious, RamsFan7, riotmute, parliamentlite, gnick55, OGC Reds, mattyp, Brett Gall, ChuckyofNorris, eaglesinmd, Sggladden, Spielman, Both Hawks Suck!, StopSpe, phx suns, d2ds, ramsaj28, cubfred, RamintheUK, CFB_fan, Thomas W, gingerredboy, RamChop, bailorg
Total Users: 90
Total Posts: 2428
Total Threads: 5
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| VTramsFan | 186 |
| douchiedude | 180 |
| Carneros | 158 |
| ram_rod | 131 |
| MyGirlMakesMeRamwiches | 129 |
| leadhead | 115 |
| Infemous | 110 |
| zaviex | 94 |
| dbcouver | 93 |
| mrgenious | 90 |
| 3k | 89 |
| Redbirds_n_Horns | 74 |
| thehalobender | 73 |
| blindmouse | 70 |
| TheBirds | 52 |
| stlfan2004 | 50 |
| Sundowner | 49 |
| Buck Nasty87 | 43 |
| Camo702 | 40 |
| Match Day 5 | 40 |
| LARams1968 | 39 |
| Smoooth Criminal | 37 |
| RamsQb5 | 33 |
| Sofanumber1 | 32 |
| mooseknuckles41 | 28 |
| Skunkburner | 27 |
| stlcardsfan4 | 26 |
| JordansDad | 23 |
| TransplantedRamsFan | 22 |
| kinzav29 | 20 |
| Pat Willie | 16 |
| cOOkies 4 cUddy | 15 |
| parliamentlite | 15 |
| Throw | 13 |
| Ramfest | 13 |
| thisguy | 13 |
| IdGladlySellMySoulJust2KeepTheRamsAlive | 13 |
| stuman89 | 12 |
| moy | 11 |
| buckeyefan55 | 10 |
| jlcdb70 | 9 |
| JTPirate | 9 |
| B_Edelman | 8 |
| ksmooth | 7 |
| stgeorgie | 7 |
| shostag | 6 |
| Spielman | 6 |
| riotmute | 5 |
| gingerredboy | 5 |
| Brett Gall | 4 |
| Jombari | 4 |
| Thomas W | 4 |
| phx suns | 4 |
| eaglesinmd | 4 |
| Sggladden | 4 |
| ramsaj28 | 3 |
| athooks | 3 |
| RamsFan7 | 3 |
| Swatsky | 3 |
| mysterui | 3 |
| thebeast72 | 3 |
| AWolfAtTheDoor | 2 |
| MathB | 2 |
| mattyp | 2 |
| d2ds | 2 |
| Ramshackled | 2 |
| DiscoJer | 2 |
| OGC Reds | 2 |
| ChuckyofNorris | 2 |
| wchtg6 | 2 |
| weezul12 | 2 |
| TrojanRam | 2 |
| cubfred | 1 |
| Marty McKeown | 1 |
| RamintheUK | 1 |
| NCRam55 | 1 |
| bailorg | 1 |
| RamChop | 1 |
| classic3283 | 1 |
| CFB_fan | 1 |
| StopSpe | 1 |
| markg1127 | 1 |
| loyal2therams | 1 |
| gnick55 | 1 |
| LAraman | 1 |
| central1188 | 1 |
| Both Hawks Suck! | 1 |
| hr | 1 |
| Raul Johnson | 1 |
| Edggy | 1 |
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BOOOYAAAA!
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
I like the flexibility of this reply
It can be applied to so many things…
BTW, make sure everybody checks out this FanShot. It’s probably my favorite piece on TST ever.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 15, 2010 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
LMAO Nice post
.. and the excitement was over me leading the roll call this week.. with that many posts, one could surely “sneak in” some spam comments
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
ALMOST!
So close this time, and this was the first regular season game I was posting on while watching. It was hard because I use the same laptop.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
My pleasure 3k... and thanks for the kind words
and let me just say, gott give you some love too brother.. great analysis.. OH
… and I agree with every freaking thing you just said.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
wow first play 88 yd td vick to jackson
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
It's stupid one sided
And all this after pulling McNabb in the last drive, then signing him to one of the stupidest deals I’ve ever seen in sports… Dan Snyder blows my mind open. At least they have, uh, “attractive” cheerleaders…

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 15, 2010 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
She has a nice...
chest. I won’t even lie.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
by douchiedude on Nov 15, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
those look totally real.
Sam Bradford drops back, sees Laurent Robinson in the open, and he completes the pass for a gain of 28! Oh- Wait, looks like a holding penalty is going to call this one back...(Oh wait; Barron's gone, ignore that last sentence).
nice reference to The State
still a favorite…
well said on Spags. I wonder why coaches, or anyone, gets so uptight to the point they stop allowing a healthy amount of risk taking?
This team has enough good karma this season, finally, to get a few bounces in the their favor. Think about it: the called back TDs, only one unit wrecked by injuries…man, if there’s ever a time to press your luck, this is it.
by Ryan Van Bibber on Nov 15, 2010 8:24 PM CST reply actions
good karma?
I wanna dip my balls in it!
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 15, 2010 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
i'm outttttttta heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere.
*Doug.
block! building kick! exploooooooosion!
by mooseknuckles41 on Nov 16, 2010 1:58 AM CST up reply actions
I think he has to be put into the right system
or he’s going to be a waste of a draft pick. Stupid athleticism and overall speed? Uh, check and some. But lack of technique, refinement, and an understanding of how to use his positive traits to be a consistently effective pass rusher? Yeah, check there too.
Now, he could likely tear the combine up. And if he does, his stock is going to be higher than his readiness. It’s a question of if you as a fan, or your team as a franchise, feels comfortable betting on a ceiling rather than settling for a floor.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 15, 2010 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
i think spags could coach him well
if he fell to the rams in say, round 3 do you think we should take him? or does he not fit in with the 4-3?
man, that's tough
It depends on what we do in the first two rounds. Personally, I don’t like him in the 4-3 because he’s so limited in run coverage right now. I think the level of tutelage he needs to contain and then apply his speed in 4-3 run containment is SOOOOOO high, I don’t think a team like the Rams would benefit from taking a flyer on him. But I could see plenty of 3-4 defenses who need a talented SLB pass rush athlete going after him in the early 3rd.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 15, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
It's just an automated script
so anyone who jumps in gets listed
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 15, 2010 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, sucka!
Learn yo SBN formatting, bee yotch!
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 15, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
I hope Bradford puts up a couple of these game like Vick is having
I predicting at least 5 next year
What Would Joey Votto Do?
Breathe, Big Red Machine
Let’s see what kind of weapons Bradford has at his disposal next summer
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 15, 2010 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
It's hard to argue against that
I’d love for anyone to make a serious defense against signing him and drafting a WR early this offseason
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
Hellz to the yes
Sam Bradford drops back, sees Laurent Robinson in the open, and he completes the pass for a gain of 28! Oh- Wait, looks like a holding penalty is going to call this one back...(Oh wait; Barron's gone, ignore that last sentence).
One change
Only illegal for the Rams. I ask that all opponents punt, even with 4th and inches at the Rams’ 5.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
my low score is because I was at the game and my phone wouldn't load anything.
I hope to make a strong showing next week.
Sam the MAN! GIANTS WIN THE WORLD SERIES!!!!!!!
I think Vick just broke the record for most fantasy points ever
I was down 45 points this week. Key word was, but I started Vick and got 51 points
So throwed that J Smoove jumpin up couldn't even catch it
I was listening to the Turf Show Radio on that particular time and boy! You guys are just amazing the VT did an awesome job and for the full hour with the consistent thoughts I was stuck like glue. Thanks people
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