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Game 5 - @ Detroit (Oct. 10)

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  A year makes a hell of a difference, or I guess 11 months.  On All Hallows' Eve of last year, the Rams were 0-7.  We were staring into the abyss with no way out.  Spags was hurting for a win as bad as we were.  Steven Jackson was just hurting.  Marc Bulger was coming out of a game in which he threw for less than 150 yards, no touchdowns and two interceptions.  It was a bleak, black block of time for Rams fans.

  We came out of Detroit with a win, and went into the bye with a shred of dignity intact.  That shred would be shredded even further as the Rams would come out of the bye and lose the final eight games of the season.  Still, if there's a game worth remembering from the 2009 season, it's hard to consider a loss would be more memorable than the lone victory.

  Now, we go into Detroit riding a tsunami of optimism (OPTINAMI!) buoyed by two wins, a marquis franchise QB and an surprisingly stout defense.  Eleven months make a hell of a difference.

  Breakdown after the jump.

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  For game-related info, check out the SBN page for the game.  For Lions news leading up the game, head over to Pride of Detroit.
  Conventional stats are taken from Yahoo! Sports and NFL.com; advanced stats from Football Outsiders.  Feel free to suggest other statistics you would like to see included.

  Other previews: Pride of Detroit, Sports Network (SBN), Rams Gab, Yahoo! SportsESPN, ESPN intel, ESPN scouting report (Insider)

St. Louis Rams, 2-2: t-1st (!), NFC West

Detroit Lions, 0-4: 4th, NFC North

 

STL pass - 92/158, 58.23 cmp% (25th), 868 yds, 6 TD, 6 INT

5.49 yds/att, 217.00 yds/gm (19th), -9.3% passing offense DVOA (26th)

DET pass D - 79/120, 65.83 cmp% (22nd), 964 yds, 8 TD, 5 INT

8.03 yds/att, 241.00 yds/gm (26th), 12.5% passing defense DVOA (17th)

  It's hard not to think this is not a matchup in which Sam can shine.  The Lions' secondary has forced a pair of interceptions in their last two games, facing Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers.  They have a much improved pass rush.  Free Safety Louis Delmas is one of the more underrated defensive players in the country.  So why the confidence?  Cornerbacks.  Jonathan Wade is a starter in Detroit.  Yes, that Jonathan WadeChris Houston starts on the other side and is aggressive on first moves as any corner in the league.  And while I like Alphonso Smith, he's not the biggest defender.  Nate Vasher and Amari Spievey fill out the group.  I don't see how anyone could argue that the Lions' CBs are much better than some of our recent opponents'.

  So I expect a healthy dose of Mark Clayton and Danny Amendola with an occasional Brandon Gibson play.  For me, I'm interested to see who steps up into the fourth receiving role.  Is Laurent Robinson, who wasn't limited in practice despite a sore ankle, ready to break out?  Mike Hoomanawanui was limited but may go; is he the play?  What about Van's favorite TE, Daniel Fells?  Is it Mardy Gilyard's day?  There's a chance for those guys to make a name for themselves on Sunday.  Failing to do so may make this game closer than Rams fans are hoping.

STL run - 110 att, 381 yds, 3.46 yds/att (25th), 95.25 yds/gm (21st), 2 TD, 0 fumb

-19.4% rushing offense DVOA (29th)

DET run D - 111 att, 538 yds, 4.85 yds/att (29th), 134.50 yds/gm (25th), 5 TD, 2 fumb

5.9% rushing defense DVOA (24th)

  This one confuses me a bit.  The Lions do a good job at limiting opportunities up the middle, thanks largely in part to a certain rookie DT we'll get to shortly.  Julian Peterson is a quality OLB.  And yet the Lions' rushing defense has been poor.  Still, that certainly doesn't mean the Rams are sure to run all over the Lions on Sunday.

  Obviously, this matchup depends almost completely on a groin.  If Steven Jackson is healthy and can make cuts with certainty and confidence, he's one of the best running backs in the league, something he proved in Detroit last season and again in week 3 against the Redskins on his 42-yard sprint to the end zone.  If not, it's hard to believe Ken Darby can take a game over, to say nothing of Keith Toston or Chauncey Washington.  Considering how bad Arizona's and Oakland's rushing defenses are and how little we were able to create in our first two games, I'm not the most confident fan when it comes to the Rams' rushing attack.

STL O-line - 10 sacks allowed (t-23rd), 21 QB hits allowed (t-21st)

3.26 Adj. Line Yds (29th), ranked 17th in pass protection

DET D-line - 13 sacks (t-5th)

4.00 Adj. Line Yds allowed (16th), ranked 4th in pass protection allowed

  Ndamukong Suh is it.  I know Ram fans are on a Bradford high, and rightly so, but Suh is a force.  He's tied with the Giants' Barry Cofield for the most QB hits among DTs with 5.  Sedrick Ellis, of the New Orleans Saints, Cofield and Suh are the only DTs with 3 sacks.  And it's not just Suh - Kyle Vanden Bosch is causing problems for opposing offenses as well from the RDE spot.  Sam said it himself:

They cause a lot of problems with what they do up front. They’re able to put pressure on the quarterback. I think they force some guys to makes some hurried throws, quick decisions and they’ve been able to cause some turnovers, so we’re going to have to be very prepared for this defense.

  The Rams' O-line hasn't been bad, it just hasn't been consistent.  And certainly, you can attribute much of that to the inexperience of the two starting tackles, rookie LT Rodger Saffold and RT Jason Smith.  Nevertheless, this is a talented unit that should be playing better.  With as much as the Rams have invested in Sam Bradford, financially and otherwise, it has to play better for a full 60 minutes.

DET pass - 108/176, 61.36% (19th), 1,017 yds, 5 TD, 7 INT

5.78 yds/att, 254.25 yds/gm (7th), -1.5% passing offense DVOA (23d)

STL pass D - 81/147, 55.10% (5th), 923 yds, 3 TD, 4 INT

6.28 yds/att, 230.75 yds/gm (21st), -0.9% passing defense DVOA (12th)

  With Shaun Hill standing in for the injured Matt Stafford, Detroit hasn't suffered much.  He has thrown six interceptions in weeks 2-4, but did toss 5 TDs while averaging 301 yards per game.  The Lions' passing options are the opposite of the Rams: a top tier #1 WR with weak colleagues.  The Lions do have a nice duo of TEs, though, in Brandon Pettigrew and Tony Scheffler.  In fact, Megatron, the two TEs and Jahvid Best are the top four receivers for the Lions.  The gameplan in terms of assignments is relatively simple.

  That should portend good things for a Rams defense that has done a great job in covering the deep pass.  The cornerbacks and safeties on the Rams have performed well beyond any reasonable expectation to this point.  The tight ends could be an issue if they attack the linebackers underneath, but dealing with Calvin Johnson shouldn't be counted out.  O.J. Atogwe needs to be used in helping Ron Bartell and Bradley Fletcher in dealing with one of the best WRs in the league.  And rookie Jerome Murphy, who could see playing time this week, will need to play more disciplined than is generally asked of a third round rookie corner.  When an opposing receiver gives your HC a trio of migraines, that says as much as any stats can about who the defense will be keyed on.

DET run - 87 att, 321 yds, 3.69 yds/att (22nd), 80.25 yds/gm (25th), 4 TD, 3 fumb

-12.4% rushing offense DVOA (25th)

STL run D - 102 att, 465 yds, 4.56 yds/att (25th), 116.25 yds/gm (20th), 1 TD, 3 fumb

-17.2% rushing defense DVOA (8th)

  Jahvid Best exploded into the NFL with 5 touchdowns in his first two games, but hasn't seen the end zone in the two games since.  He's plenty talented with enough speed and quickness to trouble even the most seasoned defense.  The issue here is containment from the OLBs and CBs.  Best isn't going to attack defensive tackles and inside linebackers in Bettis-like fashion, but he can certainly take the outside alleys for huge gains.

  This is a huge test for Na'il Diggs, Larry Grant and especially David Vobora, whose reputation as a run-stopping specialist will be tested in Detroit.  Sure, defensive end containment will play a part, but the key in keeping speed backs bottled through the middle is largely the job of the corners and outside linebackers.  It's a big job for some big men.  If they can't step up to the plate, the chorus calling for a OLB early in the 2011 Draft may grow a little larger, and get a little louder.

DET O-line - 8 sacks allowed (t-14th), 21 QB hits allowed (t-21st)

2.79 Adj. Line Yds (32nd), ranked 6th in pass protection

STL D-line - 9 sacks (t-9th)

4.12 Adj. Line Yds (18th) allowed, ranked 17th in pass protection allowed

  I think is the unit that offers the Rams the best opportunity to win the game.  Detroit's offensive line just isn't very good, though Jeff Backus is an underrated LT IMO.  A significant portion of Lion fans have been calling for a high pick OT for years now.  There's a reason.  The point of attack here has to be C Dominic Raiola.

  Raiola's undersized, coming in under 300 lbs.  Big Fred Robbins, on the other hand, comes in at 325, and Clifton Ryan, who looks to have gotten over migraines of his own, isn't much smaller.  Anchoring the defensive line attack around those two heavyweights makes sense to me.  Especially with two starting DEs who can hold their own against the run: Chris Long and James Hall.  I just don't see how the Rams can lose this battle and win the game without either a HUGE game from Sam Bradford or some crazy plays that decide the game - special teams, a huge defensive TD, etc.

This week's top 3 storylines brought to you by three key players and anagrams:

1.) Samuel Bradford - bad ram for duels

  If you're going to pick on someone, Bradford isn't the man you want to test.  The NFL Rookie of the Week for Week 4, Bradford is getting better week after week.  Eventually, that trend has to end unless he's going to end his rookie season in Seattle by throwing for 842 yards and 9 TDs, returning a punt for a TD, and leading the defense with 3 sacks and a pair of interceptions.  Still, for now, he's not the Ram you want to duel with.

2.) Ron Bartell - tell Barron

  As in tell Alex Barron, and Richie Incognito, they weren't the 2005 draftees worth keeping.  Instead, Ron Bartell and O.J. Atogwe, taken in the 2nd and 3rd rounds respectively, are still worth something to the team and should be around in future as the defense continues to shut down opposing passing attacks.  Of more immediate impact is what he's done this season, which is to earn the contract extension the Rams offered Bartell before the 2009 season.  He and Bradley Fletcher Bradley make up a solid corner duo.  They need to maintain their production Sunday against the Lions.

3.) Megatron... - get man or...

  Calvin Johnson makes plays.  He's so good, when he doesn't win the game single handedly in week 1, every NFL fan calls bullshit.  Instead of blaming Detroit for not having won the game earlier or the Bears for doing the same, fans blame the NFL for having rules that don't make sense to even the most unlearned football fan.  He's so good that the one player who dared to accept being drafted ahead of him was summarily run out of the league.  He's stupid good.  Without other WR threats, Johnson is having to work twice as hard for half the results.  The Rams can't afford mental lapses when it comes to Calvin Johnson, or he will transform all over that ass.

  Go Rams.

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I said it before and i'll say it again...

I am really worried about our outside run defense. Inside runs we stuff, thanks mostly to big fred. However, we seem to get slashed when the RB bounces the outside and this jahvid best guy is crazy fast and could make our defense look foolish. I still have nightmares about that one drive the cardinals had that was roughly 7 plays 76 yards all runs

by Buck Nasty87 on Oct 8, 2010 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

What happened to the OPTINAMI?

Early warning system?

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Oct 8, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear Buck Nasty87

But I think Best is overrated…and he’s injured. He’s quick, but we’ll stop him at the line of scrimmage. Furthermore, our head coach is the greatest defensive mind in the history of the game…he’ll dial up a gameplan to stop him.

Rams gonna roll cause I just bought Sunday ticket!

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 8, 2010 4:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I read through all that...

and No Prediction at the end?

And you won’t see too much of Wade on Sunday, But the Rams will find him Monday when they Un-Load the plane after the sad trip home. (he will be packed in a Equipment bag).

Good Info though, I’ll call it – 27-20 – Lions.

by j16941 on Oct 8, 2010 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah I don't do score predictions

It’s like you being a Lions fan and predicting the Lions to win. Am I supposed to be surprised? Van and I throw them out occasionally on Turf Show Radio and they’re nearly the same prediction because of course, being Rams fans, we predict a W. I put more emphasis on the material than a prediction.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Oct 8, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

NFL Network

Pick Lions because they blitz alot and they think St.Louis cant handle it,Bradford in other words.Same old crap no respect. Lions are giving up over 100 points Rams 52.

by chndlr54 on Oct 8, 2010 5:35 PM CDT reply actions  

i dont think the lions are better than the skins or hawks

they have a lot of late points and yards after the game has been decided.. im not a believer. Best is SO OVERrated. without stafford all they have is megatron which will get prolly 2 tds on jump balls. their defense is shaky at best and our offense shouldnt have too many problems. 24-14 rams

by mh39 on Oct 8, 2010 6:01 PM CDT reply actions  

It's like I told CSN Washington two weeks ago

If the Rams show up to play the whole game, they can win, no questions asked.

It’s whether or not they are going to beat themselves.

Sam Bradford drops back, sees Laurent Robinson in the open, and he completes the pass for a gain of 28! Oh- Wait, looks like a holding penalty is going to call this one back...(Oh wait; Barron's gone, ignore that last sentence).

by Eric Nagel on Oct 8, 2010 6:44 PM CDT reply actions  

We are the road team, so I certainly can understand that the Rams would be underdogs

The Lions have played some tough teams in games that came down to the wire. But here is the thing…they lost those games because they are still where the Rams where just 3 games ago. To many penalties and turnovers at the most inopportune times.

The difference that makes the Rams a better team is that the rams players all discovered that if they just focus on what they have to do on each and every play and do it exactly, it eliminates the penalties, turnovers and dropped passes on 3rd down.

The Lions players lose concentration and it comes apart.

The Rams just have to hang in there until it comes unravelled for the Lions. They will just beat themselves.

Think about that seattle game. How many game changing mistakes did the Rams make? I can only think of the Bradford pick in the endzone…otherwise penalties were not killer, and our receivers caught the passes when they had to.

by leadhead on Oct 8, 2010 6:50 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Nailed it. The lions need to learn how to win. The rams are not going to take the lions for granted, as the skins took the rams for granted. I am positive Spags has been preaching this to our team too.

by 81 Witness on Oct 9, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I could write pages about the changes from last year. But one thing's for sure; our perennial Jinx "Alex Barron" is gone. And the whole team chemistry has changed.

Who misses Marc Bulger or Kyle Boller or Keith Null?? How about poor old aged Leonard Little getting blown out 90% of the time? Whacko nutcase Incognito anybody? Stonehands McMichael? Mr. “no-gain” Obog? Vic Adeynaju maybe? Keenan Burton? This team unloaded a virtual forest of deadwood losers and replaced ‘em with Sam and a few other guys that weren’t used to losing every week.

by RamChop on Oct 8, 2010 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I am mostly happy

with Incognito and Barron being gone. GOOD RIDDANCE.

by Go Rams!!! on Oct 8, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Credit Devaney

He was handed a depth chart that was filled with garbage. He’s done a great job turning it around in such a short timeframe.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Oct 8, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

for sure

We got Clayton and Amendola for next to nothing. That is what impresses me about how our FO is working. I think he has done a great job locating talent that other teams cast off.

Now our draft picks are healthy and playing well. I truly have faith in whoever they draft next year. I know everyone has their guys they like and are upset when the FO drafts a player no one has heard of, but thinking back they have not made very many mistakes in my opinion in the draft. Animal over Mauluga, Bradford over Suh, Saffold (in the second), Fletcher, and hopefully Murphy.

I think ill give a free pass on Keith Null!

The only negative is I think we should of held on to Carriker or tried to get more in that deal.

by ramsrule on Oct 9, 2010 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, Carriker dominated against us

Not!! I am actually over the whole Carriker deal. Besides, who is going to pay top money for a solid guy who is always on the IR?

by 81 Witness on Oct 9, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Washington has actually been impressed with him from what ive read

I’m unaware of how his contract was during the time of the trade. At worst he could have provided some depth on the DL. Some of the former rams ‘Busts’ are playing well on other teams, so maybe it had to do with the coaching. He was always hurt so we never got see him get in a rhythm. One game against the rams does not reflect on any player. It was 1 game!

by ramsrule on Oct 10, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love

the prediction for Sam’s last game of the season against the Hawks.

I’m hoping Spags mental preparation of the team holds up. It’s been doing well so far.

THIS year's the year. I hope....

by thisguy on Oct 8, 2010 9:02 PM CDT reply actions  

i'd like to see Sam LIGHT IT UP

Perfect reads, no dropped passes, 70% completion ratio, no sacks, a LIGHT IT UP style game that says "I have arrived". Light it up Sam, light it up!

The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!

by DevsLaRams on Oct 8, 2010 9:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I am most concerned about their pass rush vs. our young OT's

and on the other side of the ball, they have a back-up QB but I’m more concerned with Best doing what McFadden did. I think if we win those battles we win this game. If the game was at our house, I’d be more confident. Its kind of a toss up at Detroit.

by CoachConnors on Oct 8, 2010 11:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Dah Rams

the rams are jelling toghether so Lions beware

by Molith Vongphrachanh on Oct 9, 2010 11:44 PM CDT reply actions  

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