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Rams lose 17-18, move to 3-4 overall

  Last week, the Rams were able to weather a poor second half against the Chargers, escaping with a narrow win thanks to Steven Jackson.  Today, despite not giving up a touchdown to Tampa for the first 59 minutes and 49 seconda of the game, it's the offense that yet again is going to get the blame.  Rightly so.

  There are plenty of goats to go around.  Sam Bradford didn't play well.  The offensive line didn't create much for Steven Jackson in the second half, especially in the third quarter.  The "Draft AJ Green" club is sure to grow after today's leading receiver, Danny Amendola, finished with 3 catches for 29 yards.

  The only person you can thank on offense is Steven Jackson who is now the Rams' all-time leading rusher.  He did his part, finishing with 110 yards on the ground.

  Last week, Coach Spags attributed the second half offensive woes to "trying to establish the run."  Having established the run in the first half today, explaining this loss is going to be much harder.  It's been said before, but this was a game we should have won.  We may not have deserved it, but we should've have finished with the win.  Another road game, another missed opportunity.  And so goes the 2011 season.

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awful

 sickening loss. we’re the worst 2nd half team in the league. this is on spags…..

by giantdonkey on Oct 24, 2010 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I am going to agree with you that this loss was the coaches fault.

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."

by Brandon Birkhead on Oct 24, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think i'm gonna be sick

The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!

by DevsLaRams on Oct 24, 2010 3:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

maybe we just need a dome to win in

by RAISEtheDEAD on Oct 24, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

4 hours later and i still want to puke

Why, why?

The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!

by DevsLaRams on Oct 24, 2010 7:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

disagree a lot.

no way are we worse than carolina, buffalo, cleveland etc.

we are very much improved, and i don’t see how you can blame spags entirely.

this is as much on schurmer and the players as it is spags.

i don’t understand why there were less blitzes 2nd half, that’s on flajole.

not being able to catch ints? thats on dbacks coach

sam bradford missing passes? on him but he gets a pass as he’s a rookie.

poor offensive playcalling – on schurmer.

the list could go on but your comment seems a bit rash in my eyes.

Bradford to Onobun!

by Infemous on Oct 24, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poor tackling

is strictly on the players, you left that out. That’s probably the first thing Spags preaches yet they just couldn’t tackle today and that’s something we’re usually good at.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

read a bit closer...

 i did not say we were not a better team than those you listed…..

by giantdonkey on Oct 24, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh shit!

lol sorry!

worst SECOND HALF TEAM.

i read it as 2nd worst team lmao!

Bradford to Onobun!

by Infemous on Oct 24, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

wish there were more blitzes in 2nd half too

and most frustrating was we were one defensive play from ending the game….one big sack…one int…recovering a fumble!!!

by guillermozeliak on Oct 24, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

when i said bad coaching I was refering to shurmer

I swear Shurmer doesn't want the Rams to win.

by Brandon Birkhead on Oct 24, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pathetic

I can’t understand how we can get so outplayed in 2nd half two weeks in a row.

The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!

by DevsLaRams on Oct 24, 2010 3:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Not that shocking

They have a lead, they try to turtle down and squeak by…

And if might have worked if Spags hadn’t handed TB a FG by using the Rams time outs to save the clock for TB (thinking they could get the ball back when it was 2 and 24, but TB got the first down).

by DiscoJer on Oct 24, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can't blame Spags for those timeouts.

You said it, 2nd and 24. Who in their right mind would have assumed a 25 yard QB run? Any coach would have called the timeouts to get the ball back, we just had shitty containment.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Bradford to Onobun!

by Infemous on Oct 24, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who in their right mind would risk letting Tampa Bay score?

Go into halftime up 17-3. That’s what any rational person would do. Even if we did get the ball back, we’d have a minute left with an offense that can’t pass the ball effectively without a good run game going (and we’re obviously not going to run it with no timeouts and a minute left).

by StopSpe on Oct 24, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any rational coach

would have called two timeouts with 1:40 left and a 3rd and 24. ANY coach. Find me a coach who wouldn’t do that. If you do, I guarantee you he eventually got fired. We’ve been extremely effective in the two minute offense, Sam seems more comfortable in it. We would have also had some momentum if we were able to STOP A THIRD AND 24. I can’t believe you just said “any rational person would do that.” In fact, we’ve done it a couple of times in this season already and the drives ended in points, were you complaining then? No, it’s cause he lost. It was the right thing to do to build a lead.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

that’s what a coach does when he’s trying to nail the coffin closed. He had to do it to let the bucs know he means business.

"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense

by moy on Oct 24, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just want to know why he used a timeout with 20 seconds left on the clock and the Bucs with no timeouts?

Not to mention, why do they attempt to ride out every game that they get a lead in, I understand continuing to run the ball, but the game was still undecided you gotta take some shots, You got Alexander out there yet you refuse to go long, why? This loss is attributed to bad decisions by the coaching staff and bad play calling. You have to make adjustments, not only at halftime, but during the game as well, and the Rams aren’t doing that. Come on guys get it together or you may wind up in another blowout like in Detroit.

by Dub SG on Oct 24, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

we played the chargers last week.

this week was just frustratiing.

Bradford to Onobun!

by Infemous on Oct 24, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blaming

shurmur..his play calling was awful in the 2nd half, and Sam was a mess 2day

by ramsaj28 on Oct 24, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I have to wonder...

if his head was on wrong because his college team got thumped last night? I know you think they’d be over it when they hit pro, but still, it had to be a distraction…

by DiscoJer on Oct 24, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I blame the recievers

how many times did he sit back or roll out and there was absolute no one…a couple bad passes but nothing that killed us

by RamsFan7 on Oct 24, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

we just don’t have the receiving talent

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."

by Brandon Birkhead on Oct 24, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

shurmur gets to conservative though..it really pisses me off we needed that win

by ramsaj28 on Oct 24, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

It helps if the QB can throw accurately

Today he did not. The perils of a rookie QB, you have to take the good with the bad.

by bailorg on Oct 24, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

90%+ rating today for qb

not that bad. Like those have said, Ram get a lead and urtle shell up. I think the rest of the NFL caught on to that earlier this season.

Spags is too predictable. I say he is gone as a head coach if Rams are not in playoffs by next season judging by the coulda, shoulda, woulda, did nots this season thus far.

by jlcdb70 on Oct 24, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll be much better next year

with hopefully a decent OC.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

his rating is boosted by the 2 tds...

the rest of his game was terrible.. welcome back marc

by mh39 on Oct 24, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's you...

from Bleacher Report…

Oh no.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bradford like Marc

is a joke…

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh today definitely.

Very inefficient and conservative throwing, Shurmur called the plays like it was Bulger out there. Stats may look like Bulger’s did but he’s a rookie. As a person, a player and just his overall look on the field, though, he looks NOTHING like Bulger. And I mean absolutely nothing.

Take the leash off of the offense pleeeeeeease.

Signed, Rams fan.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw Bradford look pissed on the sidelines when he missed a throw

if he was ANYTHING like Marc he’d have shrugged his shoulders and laughed to the bank

(over exaggeration but Sam is a totally different kettle of fish from Marc)

Bradford to Onobun!

by Infemous on Oct 24, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

no over exaggeration, that’s a good point.

Take the leash off of the offense pleeeeeeease.

Signed, Rams fan.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone has different personality types. Bulger did an excellent job of staying composed. Some people used to give Scott Rolen a hard time for the same thing. Personally, I like composed players.

I did not see anything that I did not like as far as how Bradford handled himself today. Because we can see the emotion being EXPRESSED we feel like it means the player is DOING something. But, be careful what you wish for or you will end up with a Phillip Rivers whiny team.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 24, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

That guy is beign serious though.

If it is the same guy, he referred to Bradford as Marc Jr. like 100 times on a Bleacher Report article. No credibility just from that.

Take the leash off of the offense pleeeeeeease.

Signed, Rams fan.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bulger

Say what you want about Bulger,but today’s game is proof that it’s not always the quarterback.

by CGSuddeath on Oct 24, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

he was inefficient.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw yardage was not great

and no picks, but he had a fumble in first half, was it first Rams drive of game?

by jlcdb70 on Oct 24, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

But

He could have been picked twice in the red zone.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 24, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's a tad early to be calling for the end of a head coach

who has brought us from the wrath of linehan. Let’s take a deep breath and still look at our roster, were playing well above our talent level.

by RamsFan7 on Oct 24, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem is Spags is too predictable and inconsistent

Rams don’t need an inconsistent coach – either a head or a coordinator.

The new owner understand this!

Ever notice the teams that continue to win do so because they have THE BEST COACHES.

I still woulda loved to have Bill Cowher, but he was no fool with regard to the past ownership and FO flaws.

by jlcdb70 on Oct 24, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not Snyder, Shanahan

Fuk Snyder, except at least he is willing to shell out the dough, even if the dough is misdiagnosed.

by jlcdb70 on Oct 24, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shanahan is a good coach

just an awful GM – he got a bad rap as a coach because of his bad GM skills i think

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 24, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

i am a big fan of shanahan

i was so surprised he got fired from denver, they were one solid defensive draft away from superbowl contention imo.

that offense was lights out, they were on their 7th RB and they still put up points, unfortunately for them, the defense couldn’t hold any offense to under 50 points lol

if i was bowlen, i’d have given him one more season to get a defense, and if that went wrong, then i’d have canned him.

looked like a hasty decision in my eyes, and looks like it’s ruined that team, I mean TIM TEBOW in the first round? you’re begging to be a cellar dweller.

Bradford to Onobun!

by Infemous on Oct 24, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

he couldn't draft defense

every year they were a good defensive draft away and what do you know those defensive players weren’t good either…

great for offense, bad for defense -

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 24, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shanahan is an awesome Coach and a great talent evaluator, He was a fine GM.

Denver got rid of him much like Philly chased McNaab out, because winning lots of games and going to the Playoffs was not enough, they wanted to win the big one not just get close. Sad part is you work so hard and long to get to the point where you’re considered a perinial contender, and once you are, you feel like it’s not enough. So then you blow the foundation and idea up and start all over again, hoping to stay in the same position, hoping the change will allow you to accomplish the task, but you’ve changed too much and have fallen back too far. I don’t blame Shanahan for any of that.

by Dub SG on Oct 24, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't stand Shanny but he knows what he's doing

And today in Denver, the Broncos are losing to the Raiders 45-14 and wondering where the good times went

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

make that 59-14...

Its like they regressed all the way back to college

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

they got rid of Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler and replaced them with

Orton/Tebow(lmao), Gaffney/Lloyd/Thomas and who the fuck is the TE?

Bradford to Onobun!

by Infemous on Oct 24, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Daniel Graham haha.

Not nearly the pass catcher that Scheffler is but a very good overall TE imo.

Take the leash off of the offense pleeeeeeease.

Signed, Rams fan.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Rams

can’t finish games, can we get rid of Shurmur next year please, there’s a reason Bradford’s yards per throw is so low

by Jae-So on Oct 24, 2010 3:24 PM CDT reply actions  

actually The Rams don't make good second half adjustments.

They never play well in the third quarter.

"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense

by moy on Oct 24, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about four false starts

in front of a stadium that wasn’t even close to being full. Offensive line was garbage today.

by blindmouse on Oct 24, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I wasnt suprised when they showed the stat

saying that we led the NFL in false starts

Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"

by Habte E on Oct 24, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

we do?

even without Barron?
that sucks

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow, i thought we got over that hump

that blows

"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense

by moy on Oct 24, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The offense was awful

but the defense shares the blame….That was some of the worst tackling I have ever seen. They got trucked in the second half…Chris Long, Robbins, Hall, etc should be embarrassed

by RamsFan7 on Oct 24, 2010 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

doesn't matter

great defenses come up and make plays when you need them to…they let Mike Williams and Blount walk all over them

by RamsFan7 on Oct 24, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah but that is no excuse to not tackle and even before they were exhausted Blount was breaking four tackles a run!

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."

by Brandon Birkhead on Oct 24, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

they held the opposing defense w/o a touchdown until 10 seconds left

yeah, they should be embarassed.

The defense played good, we just asked way too damn much of them in the second half.

by TheBirds on Oct 24, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I`m embarrassed!

The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!

by DevsLaRams on Oct 24, 2010 3:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yet, in past years, the offense did not score which meant the defense was on the field more often

which also meant that the defense was easier to score on because they are winded. At some point, pine sitters are better than tired starters. Coaches are just to self-protective of sitting a star who is under-performing due to exhaustion. This is another sign of inferior athletes that we Rams fans must come to grip with.

by jlcdb70 on Oct 24, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

That play to Mike Williams

reminded me of Nate Burleson TD in Detroit. Catch it on the outside and run it back inside. It was why they scored.

by phxsuns on Oct 24, 2010 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

biggest question.....

Is not “why can’t we win on the road”?
But can someone tell me “why we can’t score in the 2nd half”?

by ZamRam on Oct 24, 2010 3:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

because the coaching staff has no sense of urgency to score. turtle shell offense, and pray 17 points is enought to win an NFL game.

by giantdonkey on Oct 24, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

i know this game was just like last week the offense went dormant in the second half and you can’t get lucky in the same way twice

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."

by Brandon Birkhead on Oct 24, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bernie's bites are up

and he’s right: Spags/Shurumur think the team is good enough to coast on leads. There’s no urgency and no creativity.

by blindmouse on Oct 24, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

The difference is

at least we scored a field goal in the second half. Had we been able to even do that, we would have won.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

terrible halftime adjustments.

we take the lead for granted play too conservative.

"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense

by moy on Oct 24, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

From the other post

The Rams will frack with fans emotions all year long – up and down The 2nd half against TB was f’ing dismal. The coaches are morons for not adjusting at halftime.

No points in 2nd half, not even a field goal. F u k!

Lambs are not a team united, The only consistency is inconsistency. Ugly, f’ing ugly.

So, a 3-4 team that could easily be 6-1 had consistency been respected.

$##%!&#))_@(&#%#%#&( – ah, forget about it, not even worth it!

by jlcdb70 on Oct 24, 2010 3:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Steve Jackson only 22 carries when they needed to keep D off field and maintain the a lead.

If they established the run….against the worst run D in the league, someone tell me why you’re asking them to go deep?

They should have punded the ball down their throats all day, not gone deep.

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

+1 million

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

The lack of carries was not due to playcalling

but due to the constant short series and three and outs because the run was not working in the second half. We are asking for some creativity because the Bucs realized the Rams were going to simply pound the ball, and they took it away. The Rams never adapted.

by ViperLjs on Oct 24, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another

+1 million. No creativity. I don’t know many coordinators. Who is a big OC name out there we might be able to get?

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

but they were leading...you can't keep a lead with going deep a lot

especially with Bradford and this group of wides not up to speed today.
There’s a lot of ways to keep your D off the field and protect your lead. Screens, pitch outs, play action to the TE, and the power running game should’ve been used. I don’;t think Tampa is good enough to shut the Rams and Steve Jackson’s power running down all game long.

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

I swear Shurmer doen't want the Rams to win.

by Brandon Birkhead on Oct 24, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

+2 million.

Our screen and bubble screen to Amendola were both very good. Our swing out to Darby was excellent. What happened to THAT playcalling?

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im not even saying we should've necessarily gone deep all the time

but we do need to do it occasionally, in addition to the kinds of plays you’re talking about. Today in the second half every scrap of play calling disappeared except for the most vanilla, basic plays possible. We ran a creative offense in the first half, and whadda ya know? 17 points. Turtle shell offense in the second half? 0 points. We saw this exact same BS last week, and almost gave the game back to the Chargers. Today we did give the game back; how long are we going to keep doing this same garbage?

by ViperLjs on Oct 24, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last drive for TB - WTF with the up the middle plays

AND, WTF with the DB’s – pathetic 1st downs on long pass plays…….

Now I know why being teased as a lambs fan during junior school days!

It is like the comic strip – Born Loser

by jlcdb70 on Oct 24, 2010 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

OT - Aaron Hooks needs to look at the crowd at this game

and compare it with the crowds at our home games, and tell me if he’s still wondering if St. Louis is a viable NFL market. Our home crowds are 10x better than the one today, and we’ve been much worse than the Bucs recently. St. Louis really gets a bad rap as a football market for no good reason.

by ViperLjs on Oct 24, 2010 3:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Except to instill fear of losing the team

if taxpayers don’t subsidize stadium improvements!

Fuk that media shiz.

by jlcdb70 on Oct 24, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah that crowd was tiny

it was oddly thin in the stands

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Oct 24, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

how can that be?

I know some guys really played their hearts out. Chris Long was the definition of relentless, and Ron Bartell practially left body parts of the field.
Why would the team not care?

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've always liked Bartell

but coming into the game hurt, coming back in late with a gimpy arm and breaking up a play in the EndZone w/ said gimpy arm.
I think I need to pick up a new jersey.

"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense

by moy on Oct 24, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can Shurmer be placed on IR? Or signed to the practice squad?

Tampa tried all day to give us the game, but Shurmer wasn’t takin’. Or trying. Maybe we could just keep him in the locker room until half-time, them tell him that the game just started. Maybe that would get him aggressive.

by Knoxfan on Oct 24, 2010 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I am not a Shurmur fan but...there are reasons to keep him at this point of the year

I’m not defending the playcalling today, I think I would have protected that lead better, but this is Bradford’s first year and enough consistancy to get through his rookie year without changing systems midstream is reason enough to let Shurmur finish this out….with some adjustments, pronto…

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or, get him going on a better system now, not later

Better player development, especially if qb is comfortable with the new OC.

by jlcdb70 on Oct 24, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

the danger is

Very high probability his learning and progress stalls out for an entire year. That’s what changing OC’s mid year risks. New language, new philosophy, new everything…now, half way through? No thanks. Its just time for the current guy to take a good look. A GOOD look.

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

What if we looked for one

with a similar offense and philosophy but better play calling? I mean I would feel bad if we fired Pat Shurmur, he’s a good guy, but he’s a huge liability to this team.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

we can circle the wagons or we can panic and throw people overboard

they have half a season left, are ahead of where everyone thought they’d be, and would be better served making adjustments now and save the changing personell for the off season if thats what it takes.

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I don't think

he should be fired midseason either. But if he were, it would help if we find a similar coordinator. I’m willing to see if he improves throughout the season. He knows he’s on the hot seat now, he better be doing his homework. I mean, he’s shown us that he is VERY capable of good playcalling, I don’t know why he makes such terrible adjustments.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe if the team really believes it has a shot at more wins and playoffs.

To continue on with a rookie qb who STILL has yet to learn the full system and say that the rookie qb would be worse off is not what I call accurate when your changing systems anyways. The sooner, the better. It also sends a clear message TO THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION – WIN OR ELSE YOU WALKING PAPERS!

The teaser will be against Carolina next week at home, watch!

by jlcdb70 on Oct 24, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

A 6-10 season is still successful

and a huge step in the right direction, keep in mind. Winning in Carolina puts us back at .500 and that is still a good thing, even if we wanted playoffs.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean winning against Carolina*

we’re at home.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

the only problem is in real life the QB is almost always worse off

it almost never works out for the better when done under those circumstances. Besides changing mid-season, the other thing they can’t do is change all the time. So if they do fire Shurmur, they better find someone who they can work with in the very next guy because annual changing of OC’s will seriously screw a young QB’s development. Its a very expensive move in that sense. Spags probably only has 1 bullet in that gun.

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

coach

 you can’t change systems mid season, but you can call the plays you already have, more effectively, no ? our WR struggle to get seperation, have we run a TE on a seam route in the last 2 weeks ? you’re not helping taking pressure away from the running game with 5 yd TE routes.

by giantdonkey on Oct 24, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think firing midseason is bad...the worst, in fact....it's panic

I say make them work through this. Make adjustments. Sit him down, make the changes.

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

you can tell in a heartbeat that Jimmy Raye was fired because the team was in epic panic mode.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah you can't fire him midseason

the thing that scares me is the Spags seems to have no issues whatsoever with his playcalling. I have no confidence that Spags will do anything about it, because he doesn’t view it as a problem. If he did, it wouldn’t keep happening over and over.

by ViperLjs on Oct 24, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think even he will think it is

after they watch the tape. Execution wasn’t that great, but they’re going to have to see how dull and predictable the play calling got in the second half of the last 2 games.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

did you guys not see the article that said

Shurmur was being restricted in his playcalling by Spags? Was in the local media, came out last year, maybe it was Jom Thomas (who I think is worlds better than Bernie).

Not sure to what degree, or if it’s even still going on, but if true then Spags had much philosophical input on this Offense.

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

No I haven't.

Damn, that makes sense. I guess that’s why he defends Shurmur all the time. Spags has improved this defense so much but they’re just not talented enough yet to hold onto 11 point leads. That’s the kind of playcalling you do in the 4th with a 2 possession lead…

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I remember that artical

It shows that Spags believes in the hard nose run first offense and let the defense keep the opposing team off the board. but to win like that you’d better keep your opponent to 14 or less points and your offense needs to get first downs even if you don’t score you have to run time off the clock. We did not do that today.

"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense

by moy on Oct 24, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

and these guys (HC, OC, DC) are still sorta new too

this is their first time in those capacities at any organization. So whether we like it or not, there’s going to be some learning curve to it. Whether they run out of time and lose their jobs, that’s the question.

I think bottom line is they are ahead of where we expected to be, so a long as they keep making steps forward, they’ll get us to winning reguarly sooner rather than later. Obviously winning means starting with a good system and adapting to what the competition gives you.

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

and that's the main thing

as long as the team is moving forward, which they are, is a good thing. but the progression must continue.

"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense

by moy on Oct 24, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

+ infinity

I swear Shurmer doesn't want the Rams to win.

by Brandon Birkhead on Oct 24, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Rams don't need to fire Shurmer

just take the handcuffs off in the second half and change it up.

"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense

by moy on Oct 24, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree.

After hearing that Spags was controlling the offense a bit, I’m feeling bad for Shurmur. He showed us in the Seahawks and Redskins games that he can call plays, let him do that. Hell, the first half of the Chargers game was excellent as well.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shumur:

I have never seen a coach try to start running the clock out in the 3rd quarter. Especially when you are only up by 11 pts. What a pathetic human being Pat Shumur is. He absolutely SUCKS at his job and should consider killing himself

by Jigzsaw on Oct 24, 2010 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

exactly

it’s almost as if we come out of the lockeroom to start the 2nd half by taking a knee…

by giantdonkey on Oct 24, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't go that far

but he is a terrible football coach

by ViperLjs on Oct 24, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on, Jig

He’s still a Ram. We don’t eat our own.

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know I dont get the Martz hate around here

he was the OC for one of the best offenses in NFL history, and the Rams’ glory years. He also had a great record as a head coach. He may have his flaws, but there is no reason to forget that he was very successful here.

by ViperLjs on Oct 24, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

True.

But he nearly ruined Kurt Warner’s career too and probably started the ruining of Bulger’s.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The ruining of Bulger's career was due to the overall loss of talent on the team

and I put that squarely on Zygmunt and Shaw. They drove Martz out because he disagreed on their horrible roster decisions. You might have a point about Warner, but he got some absolutely great years out of him, too.

by ViperLjs on Oct 24, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah you're right.

But almost ruining Warner is a horrible thing, the greatest story the NFL has and will ever see.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

the thing is he gets his QB's to do 7 stepo drop backs which leads to sacks if the O-line isn't elite

that’s where the getting the QB killed comes from. Of course they also proved you can be successful with that system if you have the horses to run it. So, no hate from me….just recognition of his system and it’s requirements/weaknesses

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough; I know the flaws in the system.

I just see people taking potshots at him relatively frequently and its puzzling considering the role he had with the Rams duding their great years.

by ViperLjs on Oct 24, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is the OL that is key in Martz's offense

Then, the qb….in that order!

Cutler is an example of a poor OL – is not that the team that signed a washed-out Orlando Pace?

by jlcdb70 on Oct 24, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will always think Martz had a great thing going here

I loved his Greatest Show! I’m a fan for life because of that.
 On our current team though, with Justin Smith over there and a rookie #1 overall QB, I think Martz’s dynamite mignt kill his own troops.

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't defend him on this game

I just don’t think we need to go that low when talking about our staff.

by CoachConnors on Oct 24, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Enough of that evil speak, cmon, its a game

Firing is in the cards though, point blank – POW!

by jlcdb70 on Oct 24, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Danario is not healthy enough to be utilized.

That was evident when we threw fade after fade to Gibson. He can get open in space, but he sure as hell can’t get separation on fades and go routes.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 4:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Shurmur called a bad game no doubt

but fire him? The calls were great in the first half. I hate to say it, but it’s not like this game cost us our shot at a superbowl run – we weren’t going anywhere this year regardless of the outcome. Just need to get this group used to playing with each other and the system.

by jb22 on Oct 24, 2010 4:27 PM CDT reply actions  

saw this loss coming a mile away.

Defense blowing turnover chances, wasting plays by throwing to Gibson, forcing plays to SJ39, the inability to stop the QB scramble and the inability to get our defense off the field in the 2nd half. A smart coach has to see where this is going and find a way to adapt. I saw zero adaptation by the Rams. In the NFL games are won and lost by halftime adjustments and this coaching staff has shown a deficiency in this area. I put a lot of this on the coaches upstairs; Shummer hasn’t shown me he is capable of the job he has- probably a tad unfair given the lack of talent but it’s the NFL so to hell with being fair. It’s probably time for shake up the staff a little and the offensive coordinator is the weakest link at this point. In reality this shouldn’t surprise anyone because frankly he wasn’t able to get this team to score didely poo last year either. In my mind the only question at this point is who do we bring in and do we wait until the off season.

by Sggladden on Oct 24, 2010 4:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Are you guys sure it is the OC?

I mean think about it…. what OC goes into a game and goes…" Oh Boy an 11 point game now I get to call conservative plays!" “woohoo!” OCs all like scoring TDs. With this in mind, I think he is being told to call the game that way and let the Defense protect the lead.

by leadhead on Oct 24, 2010 4:29 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not so sure.

You could be right, but I don’t know if he’s being told. Spags should be much smarter than that… Either way, 2 weeks in a row, I hope they learned. They are still a young staff and Shurmur has shown the ability to call good plays. Hopefully they get their head out of their asses during halftime and make some good adjustments.

It's official, Pat Shurmur will never change my mind about him. Please go away.

by douchiedude on Oct 24, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's the whole staff

but Shummer will be the scape goat. I don’t think it can be argued that we need improvement on offensive production in the 2nd half.

by Sggladden on Oct 24, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope with the loss, that our HC realizes that this is the number one problem of this football team

and fixes it!

I mean oakland, TB and San Diego now. This is now beyond coincidence and the…“awww shucks we just missed it thats all” BS isnt going to cut it.

by leadhead on Oct 24, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

fo sheezy

it needs to be fixed.

Bradford to Onobun!

by Infemous on Oct 24, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe we can hire

coach Shottenhiemer to come call our offense ; )
I think I just threw up in my mouth.

by Sggladden on Oct 24, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

This loss sucks. You have to play better in the second half if they want to win and Shurmmer needs to make better calls. We got to win next week and get re energized and beat the mess out of Carolina.

by brians rams on Oct 24, 2010 4:37 PM CDT reply actions  

You have to WANT IT!

Rams have a problem WANTING IT!

by jlcdb70 on Oct 24, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

sam may have not played well today

BUT. Tom Brady is playing worse right now lol

Bradford to Onobun!

by Infemous on Oct 24, 2010 4:38 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah but I bet

coach hoody gives him a chance to throw the ball on 3rd and long at the end of the game. Plus, I bet they end up winning.

by Sggladden on Oct 24, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol i was trynta raise the spirits.

Sam and Schurmer owe us a big win next week.

Our D has the ability to contain the Panthers, and we are at home.

if there isn’t a 3rd QTR improvement we need to really take a long hard look at ourselves. but right now, we shouldn’t beat ourselves up too much.

this was a tough loss to take, and we SHOULD have won, as we should have won vs AZ and Oakland, however, we didn’t.

Let’s go and win the next game, go into our bye and learn how to pick off passes and create some new plays to give us some ammo vs the tough road we have to end the season.

the fact we SHOULD have won this and the 2 other games shows we are doing very well and we’ve got to temper expectations, we are coming off of 1-15 and evidently there is work to be done.

Losing games is acceptable this year when we’re competitive, it’s when we get blown out we should really start getting upset.

This is a young team that is still missing a few pieces, let’s remind ourselves that if we could take 3-4 at the beginning of the season 99.9999999% of us would have jumped at it.

if we fail to amend these issues in the coming weeks, or even next season, then we should worry, but somehow I don’t think that will be the case, so everyone, let’s be mad a lil bit, chill out and look to next week and next year.

I want to win as much as the next guy, but we have to stay level headed and optimistic.

Bradford to Onobun!

by Infemous on Oct 24, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

total buzz kill

"Twin-headed infinite swirling vortex of grotesque suckitude known as Tony Clark and Eric Byrnes"

by sergey606 on Oct 24, 2010 5:16 PM CDT reply actions  

The whole NFC is strugling

Don’t sream “fire him” and “cut him”. Its 9 more games and there’s no clear cut playoff teams yet. At least we are competitive. We were 1-15 last year , so anything not a blowout is good to see. We are a better football team with 9 more weeks to get better. We still have a good chance to make the playoffs even wit this lost. But if they don’t make it , they look back at this game , ARZ , and OAK.

Keep the Faith , (GO RAMS !!!!!)

by RamMan1 on Oct 24, 2010 5:20 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Singletary said,

we (the whinners) still have a chance for the playoffs.
HA

"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense

by moy on Oct 24, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good Game

The Rams played a lot better than I thought,congrats 2 the bucs,Freeman is a stud.The rams R getting close,next year we will have more weapons,and hope a better coach that wont play scared,stop taking your foot of the pedal.

by RAMIFICATION on Oct 24, 2010 5:30 PM CDT reply actions  

look at it this way

we need to loose games in order to get AJ green or some other good draft pick

So throwed that Randy Moss jumpin up couldn't even catch it

by Throw on Oct 24, 2010 5:43 PM CDT reply actions  

I say this to ease the pain

So throwed that Randy Moss jumpin up couldn't even catch it

by Throw on Oct 24, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's how we got "Bullseye"

"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense

by moy on Oct 24, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sick and tired of Shurmur...

… Last week, we had a close call… He is way too conservative in the third quarter. This is what happens when you play not to lose. Thanks Shurmur… This is so frustrating!!!

by abiRam on Oct 24, 2010 6:07 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Why not go for it on fourth down rather than kicking it away...

and leaving it to our tired defense to win us the game. The way Steven Jackson was running he would gaurenteed had the first down… game over.

by PCarn on Oct 24, 2010 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I said that to my friend too...

after that asshole rubbed it in..

Take the leash off of the offense pleeeeeeease.

Signed, Rams fan.

by douchiedude on Oct 25, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

It seems to me

that Spags is a defensive-minded coach exclusively and because of that, one of two things is happening. Either he has more or less no input on the offensive side of the ball, which means the OC is making obscene decisions at half time, after calling a nice mix of plays in the first half. That’s sort of unlikely, IMO. So I think we are seeing Spags taking some control of the game, in terms of aggressiveness and that’s backfiring. And if that’s the case, it’s pretty outrageous. This coaching staff needs to take advantage of the tools at it’s disposal. That means utilizing weapons like DX, Fendi & Illinois Mike more. The O line was fine; Bradford did not look sharp but what was he working with? And what was the plan in the second half?

I’m sensing the coaching staff has difficulty making in-game decisions because this Rams team can put points on the board in the first half, when the first 15-20 plays are predetermined. There is a disconnect somewhere and seven games into the second season of this regime, that’s a bit concerning. Any thoughts?

by riotmute on Oct 24, 2010 10:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Shurmur

I don’t know how much of it was him, and how much of it was Sam, but I understand the fades. I don’t understand the fades to Gibson, but I understand why he used the fade. Tampa is famous for running the Tampa 2 defense, which, when in zone, leaves a whole right past the corner and right before the safety, which is where a fade route would be run. Unfortunately we ran it with a smaller receiver, and they were in man every time we ran it. Even in man, there is no safety help on that play, so it makes sense to try and exploit it, but it makes even more sense to try and exploit with a receiver who has a huge height advantage over the corner. If Gibson were on Talib, he’d actually be shorter or the same height as the corner, and if he were on Barber, its only a 1 inch difference. So why not exploit a half foot height difference and supreme jumping ability on those fades. Why do we only utilize rookies in their first games? Fendi’s first game, we targeted him several times, Danario’s first game, same thing. What have Fendi and Danario done since their first games? Very little. Perhaps if you keep utilizing them, they might be able to help more. Shurmur seems to have the right idea a lot of the time, but he never does it completely right. He’ll either overuse a play (like the Darby draw last year), under use a play or player (where are these short passes and screens to Jackson?) or he’ll call a play at the wrong time or with the wrong player (last year, 3 straight fades to Gibson and Avery, one on fourth down, this year, fades to Gibson, none to Alexander). There are mismatches on a football field that are not being utilized. I’d say Fendi on a LB, could be a mismatch, and Danrio on a fade with no safety help is a mismatch. Steven Jackson in the open field is a huge mismatch. Why don’t we take advantage of it? Who knows? Also, another over used play, PA naked bootleg to the right, comeback route by Gibson. Run it at least twice every game and it’s only been successful 2 or 3 times. Also, throw the ball deep. The short passing game isn’t open because you never stretch the field past 10 yards, run, run, short pass, run, short pass, short pass, short pass, short-medium pass, 30 yard gain, 25 of them after the catch. You are unbelievably bad Pat Schumur, I hope I don’t see you here next year.

Onobun > Gates

by Carneros on Oct 24, 2010 11:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't understand why Onobun wasn't active

They lack deep speed, they have a rash of receiver injuries, and that’s the guy you decide not to dress? Point him towards that deep middle soft spot and tell him to sprint there.

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