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CFB watch list for week 7 / 2011 NFL Draft open thread

What a wild week for college football and the NFL Draft.  My watch list now has seven full weeks of prospecting.  But first, some notes:

News and notes

 - What a wild year for UNC football.  It started with arguably the most hype the program has ever had, banking on the talents of a dozen strong NFL prospects.  But before the season could even get started, the NCAA was digging a grave for the Tar Heels' 2010 season.  The body might have been buried on Monday when DT Marvin Austin was dismissed from the team, and both DE Robert Quinn and WR Greg Little were declared "permanently ineligible" by the NCAA.  Over at MTD (more on the site itself in a moment, and for full disclosure, I've been brought on as a writer this season), Dan argued Austin had the most to lose from the sanctions.  Personally, it's not as interesting to me which player loses the most but the fact that all three will see their stock drop.  And yes, it will.  Consider Weslye Saunders.

  Many of you might not remember Saunders.  He was a standout TE on the South Carolina Gamecocks, and was highly thought of going into the 2010 season.  I say was, because in mid-September, Saunders was dismissed from the team himself.  In late April, Dan's top 75 had Saunders in at #40 overall (for reference, Quinn was 3rd overall, Austin was ranked #14, and Little was #62).  Already, the rumblings of Saunders' stock dropping are surfacing (not being on the field when your team beats the #1 team in the nation never, ever helps).  It doesn't matter that he hasn't been beaten on the field.  It's about the overall package.

  Remember the case of Tampa Bay's Mike Williams at Syracuse.  Williams was as naturally talented as any WR in his class, but his repeated off-field issues dropped him into the 4th round where he was taken by the Bucs.  Syracuse fans, more or less, wished him not "good luck," but "good riddance."  After week 5, Williams has 19 grabs for 238 yards and 3 TDs; compare that to Mark Clayton who, at the time of his season-ending injury, had 23 catches for 306 yards and 2 TDs.  Tampa got itself a productive talent on the cheap, but for how long?

  So as annoying and/or ignorable as these stories may be, keep them in the back of your minds, Ram fans.  Sometimes the character issues dissolve once you're being paid millions of dollars and you don't have to read books.  Other times, Lawrence Phillips.

 - Speaking of character issues, if you aren't a college guy, you might want to read up on the Chris Rainey saga at the U of F.  Rainey was arrest about a month ago after "stalking" a woman.  I use quotes, because the real story was that Rainey was arguing with a girlfriend and sent her a text message that read: "Time to die."  A month later, Rainey is back on the team, semantics be damned.  The question is how much an off-field incident like this matters.  Especially because Chris Rainey is near-4.3 fast.  Decisions...

 - Speaking of decisions and wacky NCAA stuff, if you haven't read agent Josh Luchs' tale of the shady dealings in the agent world, go read it now (huge link highlight intended to grab your attention so that you click the highlighted words and read what the article that the hyperlink open.  Click.).  It's nothing that should shock you, outside of the image of Jonathan Ogden being a giddy Janet Jackson fan.  If you didn't know agents are paying college players for random shit, lay down on the floor right now and stay there until I come to get you.  UPDATE: I'm not coming to get you.  Stay on the floor.

 - Julio Jones has undergone surgery for a broken hand.  For Rams fans who are hoping for a #1 WR, and Jones certainly fits the bill, this is worth monitoring.

 - On to MTD.  The draft push has officially started.  A scouting report for LSU CB Patrick Peterson here, one for Ohio St. DE Cameron Heyward there... If you're not heading over there once a day, you're missing out.  It has begun...

The watch list

 - Back to my watch list and some prospects.  Fun game tonight with West Virginia facing off against South Florida.  If you haven't seen Noel Devine yet, take a look.  He's an easy candidate for people hoping for a talented change of pace back to pair with AxJax.

  Another prospect that I think could be drafted by the Rams in April is Florida St. OG Rodney Hudson.  Despite the fact Jacob Bell is signed through 2013, he's an obvious candidate that could be cut to open up some money for the Rams to spend in free agency after the 2011 season.  Hudson is still underweight for a guard, but his footwoork, intiial push and lateral movement is stellar.  He's slightly behind TCU's Marcus Cannon on my OG big board.  Hudson's Florida St. Seminoles take on Boston College on Saturday.

  And I doubled up on some Big Ten action to round out the list this weekend; I'll highlight a pair of DEs of note: Iowa's Adrian Clayborn (who I mocked to the Rams in my lone 2011 mock draft, and incidentally, is from St. Louis, having attended Webster Groves High) and the aforementioned Cameron Heyward out of "thuh" Ohio St. University.  Feel free to check them out, but block out an hour for Turf Show Radio!

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I am a draft idiot so..

What round do you see noel devine going and if we have to take him early (say 3rd?) is that too high of a round for a back up RB?

Football players, like prostitutes, are in the business of ruining their bodies for the pleasure of strangers. ~Merle Kessler

by mlkgandhiv2k on Oct 14, 2010 5:29 PM CDT reply actions  

You just punched me in my soul

It’s right there in the watch list, brother. Right now, I’ve got him between the 1st and third right now. If he can stay healthy, that will improve his stock. The other thing is diagonal explosion. Having lost Selvish Capers, I think he’s suffering from a lack of confidence. But he’s got to show more willingness to trust his tackles and hit the off tackle gap at full speed with more consistency to be a 1-2 round pick. Think Jahvid Best 2.0.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Oct 14, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

i still say....

we need to draft Case Keenum and trade bradford to the lions for calvin johnson and jahvid best

by Danteslion on Oct 14, 2010 5:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Honestly

I’m worried that you have cursed us into taking him.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Oct 14, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Highly doubt he'll be the next Drew Brees

Sure he puts up big numbers, but so did Colt Brennan. We all know what happen to Colt.

I miss the good old days of Warner to Holt

by guitrguy on Oct 14, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

He won't be running that offense in the NFL though

     Don’t get me wrong, I’m one of the last people to disregard a QB because he comes from a system. I think these systems are coming to the NFL. Keenum will have to adjust to a new style to succeed, isn;t he applying for another year of NCAA eligibilty?

by dbcouver on Oct 15, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

How badly does Robert Quinn now fail the 4 pillars?

Taking back handers and expensive watches (about $10’000.00 worth) must be a red flag on the 4 pillars generally. But, if he were still on the board for our 2nd pick would he fail so badly that we wouldn’t pick up that sort of talent?

I know with the pillars we are generally talking pass/fail, but I’m hoping for a bit of a grey area in between. Personally, if he were there for us in the 2nd round (he has to slide a bit – at least) I’d give him a pass on the 4 pillars. I’d even be happy to trade up a few spots to secure him.

by RamintheUK on Oct 14, 2010 7:10 PM CDT reply actions  

right now I want Petersen in the first

I’d like Quinn in the 2nd, but I know we won’t go that way. I just call it my luck. I don’t want to go WR until the 3rd, if then. I’d like to see us address that position in a different way like.picking up Patrick Turner, and developing Alexander.
     We need another OL in the 4th. Hopefully we can begin to attract some quality FAs too.

by dbcouver on Oct 15, 2010 12:22 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Patrick Peterson?

  He’s definitely a boss. It would certainly be a pick that would give us a clear cut #1 CB (although I think Bartell has been great in coverage this season) and an obvious candidate in the return game. And don’t be surprised if Quinn does slip that far. Without an entire season, if he doesn’t shine at the combine and throughout draft season, his stock will drop. And remember, there are some very talented DEs in this class, so it could happen.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Oct 15, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was wondering

    Can we use our first pick to draft the UNC defense, like in fantasy. I bet the original 11 before the sanctions, could compete in the NFL.

by dbcouver on Oct 15, 2010 12:26 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

It'd be nice.

Bruce Carter anyone?

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Oct 15, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Go Beavs!

"Twin-headed infinite swirling vortex of grotesque suckitude known as Tony Clark and Eric Byrnes"

by sergey606 on Oct 15, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

man imagine if we had a guy like josh chichester

hes a 6 9 WR. now thats a redzone target. speaking of which, he just pulled one in the endzone for a TD

by Buck Nasty87 on Oct 15, 2010 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

beat me to it

If all we need is height, he’s it.

by dbcouver on Oct 15, 2010 9:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Armon Binns alll day

Fast enough to separate. Obviously good at the jump ball. Playmaker? 3 TDs.

by dbcouver on Oct 15, 2010 10:00 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

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