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Game 4 - vs. Seattle (Oct. 3)

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  What a pair of angry logos.  I never realized how grumpy Seattle's logo looks.  And the Ram looks like someone just insulted his mama.  The Grumpy Seahawks versus the Thin-Skinned Rams, this Sunday, on Fox!

  I'm just saying, why so grumpy?

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  Holy crap, alright, alright.  I'm sorry.  Breakdown after the jump.  Jeez.

 

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  For game-related info, check out the SBN page for the game.  For Seahawks news leading up the game, head over to Field Gulls.
  Conventional stats are taken from Yahoo! Sports and NFL.com; advanced stats from Football Outsiders.  Feel free to suggest other statistics you would like to see included.

  Other previews: Sports Network (SBN), Rams Gab, Yahoo! Sports, stlouisrams.com (video), ESPN

St. Louis Rams, 1-2: 3rd, NFC West

Seattle Seahawks, 2-1: t-1st, NFC West

 

STL pass - 69/117, 58.97 cmp% (25th), 607 yds, 4 TD, 5 INT

5.19 yds/att, 202.33 yds/gm (20th), -6.1% passing offense DVOA (22nd)

SEA pass D - 80/133, 60.15 cmp% (15th), 947 yds, 4 TD, 4 INT

7.12 yds/att, 315.66 yds/gm (30th), 17.4% passing defense DVOA (22nd)

  Simply put, the Rams have to win this battle.  Seattle has shown how vulnerable they are in the passing game as they just don't seem to have anyone that can stop a pass besides Marcus Trufant, and even he has looked susceptible at times.  Still, with a talent like Earl Thomas, who picked off two passes against the Chargers last weekend, it's not something the Rams can take for granted.  Van looked at this matchup Friday afternoon.

  To win this game, Sam Bradford is going to have to show the same kind of awareness he did against the Redskins, picking up on blitzes, tracking man or zone coverages, exploiting the holes - and all this has to be done regardless of the receiver.  We saw Fendi Onobun worked in early.  Exploiting the defense by using the most unlikely receiver on the field opens up a lot for Bradford.  Whether that means larger avenues for Danny Amendola, helping Brandon Gibson get on track, or maintaining the timing he and Mark Clayton have developed in so short a time frame will depend not only on those aforementioned skills, but also the playcalling from OC Pat Shurmur.  I don't think any Rams fan would be too disappointed to see some 4 WR sets worked in again this week.  They can be that much more dangerous if Sam can get WR screens worked in as we saw against the Skins..

STL run - 82 att, 293 yds, 3.57 yds/att (23rd), 97.67 yds/gm (20th), 2 TD, 0 fumb

-15.3% rushing offense DVOA (25th)

SEA run D - 78 att, 203 yds, 2.60 yds/att (3rd), 67.67 yds/gm (5th), 2 TD, 2 fumb

-42.0% rushing defense DVOA (2nd)

  This is going to be a battle, whether Steven Jackson plays or not.  As I'm writing this, he's a game time decision after a limited practice session.  As a Rams fan, it certainly makes the morning pre-game shows more watchable this Sunday.  But either way, this is a serious rushing defense that the Rams will see on Sunday as evidenced by the statistical wizardry of Van "Is there a Fields Medal for football math" Ram on Thursday.

 I've said before that I thought Seattle's LB corps was overrated (though, check the next section on the D-line...); that hasn't changed.  Aaron Curry is a physical specimen, but that's not translating to the field yet from what I've seen and what I've read from Field Gulls' ridiculously meticulous John Morgan.  Lofa Tatupu is quickly fading after a brilliant first three years in the league.  Maybe the USC grad needs Pete Carroll's loving Trojan Touch, but it hasn't shown in the Seahawks' first three games this year.

STL O-line - 6 sacks allowed (t-16th), 14 QB hits allowed (t-14th), 48 yards lost to sacks

3.43 Adj. Line Yds (27th), ranked 14th in pass protection

SEA D-line - 7 sacks (t-6th), 40 yards lost to sacks

3.47 Adj. Line Yds (6th) allowed, ranked 15th in pass protection allowed

    I really think the Seahawks' D-line is pretty underrated nationally.  They've got a solid pair of tackles in Brandon Mebane and Colin Cole, and Red Bryant is turning into a deceptively skilled DE.  It's a serious test for a Rams offensive line that played their best game last Sunday against Washington.  Of course, the re-re(?)-emergence of John Greco is worthing paying attention to.

  "Del" Greco, some might forget, was the second pick in the third round of the 2008 NFL Draft, the unofficial first draft of the Devaney era.  This is a big opportunity for Greco and the Rams.  In the two years following the Greco pick, the Rams selected CBs Bradley Fletcher and Jerome Murphy with their early 3rd round picks.  Knowing that the Rams could have taken RB Jamaal Charles, who was taken eight spots after Greco, makes the growing pains hurt even more.

  But as always, keep a trained eye on tackles Jason Smith and Rodger Saffold.  This is a legitimate test for the bookend pair as well.  Bradford may get the headlines, but his fate rests in the four hands of those two large, large men pretty directly.

SEA pass - 57/90, 63.33% (12th), 598 yds, 4 TD, 5 INT

6.64 yds/att, 199.33 yds/gm (21st), 2.7% passing offense DVOA (20th)

STL pass D - 60/110, 54.54% (4th), 730 yds, 3 TD, 3 INT

6.63 yds/att, 243.43 yds/gm (24th), -1.7% passing defense DVOA (12th)

  I'll keep this one short - the Rams have to win this matchup.  Have to.  Absolutely, must contain this.  The key is John Carlson.  He's a very effective receiving tight end, and his receptions are one of the few reliable components in the Seattle offense.  It's a tall order, but if the Rams can limit the Seahawks' leader in catches and yards, it gives us a huge advantage that I'm not sure Seattle can overcome.

  For St. Louis, it's essentially "more of the same, please."  An interception here, blanket deep coverage there - the pass defense is the reason we're limiting opponents to 16 1/3 points per fome.  More, please.  And Bradley Fletcher is quickly becoming one of the most unfairly unheralded NFL sophomores.

SEA run - 64 att, 254 yds, 3.97 yds/rush (16th), 84.66 yds/gm (24th), 2 TD, 0 fumb

-4.5% rushing offense DVOA (15th)

STL run D - 78 att, 401 yds, 5.14 yds/rush (32nd), 133.66 yds/gm (25th), 1 TD, 3 fumb

-9.9% rushing defense DVOA (15th)

  Unlike the Seahawks, teams have run well against the Rams.  As good as James Laurinaitis is, he can't go it alone.  And the Rams' defensive line just isn't very talented.  Still, the Rams have to improve on this, especially against teams that struggle to pass the ball.  Extending the average length of third down conversions their opponents have to deal with leads to mistakes, and mistakes from offenses on third down, well, we know what happens.  It should be interesting to see how David Vobora is rotated in as the Rams try to improve their run defense in this one.

SEA O-line - 5 sacks allowed (t-9th), 8 QB hits allowed, 25 yards lost to sacks

3.28 Adj. Line Yds (30th), ranked 16th in pass protection

STL D-line - 5 sacks (t-18th), 52 yards lost to sacks

4.27 Adj. Line Yds (22nd) allowed, ranked 17th in pass protection allowed

  If there's one unit that I think Seattle has a definitive advantage on the Rams in, it's this one, but that's nothing new to TSTers.  Everyone knows I'm pretty down on our O-line.  So how do we cover down on that?  The coverage of the secondary, and even linebackers, has given more time to the D-line in the last two games.  And masking some blitz schemes as we work them in, if we do at all, always helps.  I wouldn't be surprised if this falls closer to the Arizona game than the previous two in terms of how often, and tactically how, we blitz.  Sure, Fred Robbins has been a notable member of the line, but I'm looking at George Selvie and C.J. Ah You in this one, personally.

This week's top 3 storylines brought to you by three things my daughter can't say yet:

1.) "Who is our running back this weekend?"

  Good question, young lady.  The truth is I don't know, and honestly, that doesn't matter to me a tremendous amount.  Last week proved that if the offensive line does its' job, Ken Darby can make a 6-yard run out of a 6-yard run.  Sure, AxJax can turn it into a 15-yarder from time to time, but he's a Pro Bowler and Darby's a backup RB.  Besides, 2nd & 4 is a hell of a situation to be in.  And even more besideseryishly, Bradford means more to this offense than any running back does.  The second half against the Redskins proved that.  The real issue is who will give us first downs from the running game, and between Darby, Keith Toston, and new man Chauncey Washington, it's a question that needs an answer.  I doubt we'll get a definitive one on Sunday.

2.) "Do the Rams even need Laurent Robinson?"

  It's a fair question.  Having missed the Skins game, which you could argue was not entirely coincidental, Robinson has just 4 catches for 22 yards.  Mark Clayton, who is confusingly listed behind Danny Amendola at the WR2 position, has 17 catches for 228 yards with 2 TDs.  Where does Laurent Robinson fit in this offense?  Sure, there's plenty of football left in the 2010 season.  But with Donnie Avery coming back in 2011, Clayton outplaying everyone, Amendola the only surefire long-term receiving answer, and a host of tight end possibilities, one, and by one I mean I, would think this is Laurent Robinson's "last chance" to stick around.  If this is his last audition, it's not blowing me away.  Anyone care to argue?

3.) "When can I stop wearing diapers?"

  When you stop dumping Mackninac Fudgies in them, little shitbucket.  No, there is a corollary here.  The Rams have lived in the NFL's diaper for years.  And now, with one win and a marketable face of the future, the growing hype, and thus pressure, is palpable, much like the pressure my daughter's butt-bombs puts on her Pampers.  Even if we win this game, and make no mistake that would ratchet the national spotlight up, the Rams are still in the bottom third of the league looking to get into the middle.  Before we put on a diamond-encrusted thong (douchiedude, I'm looking at you...), let's just enjoy the fact that we'll be able to take of the diaper soon.  I'm a big kid now...

  Go Rams.

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Laurent looks to be the 1st to go

as soon as we pick uo what would be considered our future #1 through draft or FA. Clayton moves to a solid looking (thus far) #2 w/ Danny in the slot. Gibson and Gilyard rotating in.

I am not so sure what, if anything, the team will be getting when Avery comes back. A WR coming off knee injury (when speed is his asset) behind the curve in a rapport built with the new franchise QB as compared to Clayton for the #2 spot. Avery is no #1, so he’s competing with Clayton and so far – I like what I see from Clayton. Plus Avery hasn’t proven to be reliable from a health standpoint either. I can easily see Avery traded.

I should be working right now...

by gorams77 on Oct 1, 2010 10:45 PM CDT reply actions  

im thinking the same thing. Hopefully we could get some value for him. He obviously has talent so I would hate to trade him for like a 6th rounder. Also, I know people don’t agree with me, but I really hope Jerome Murphy develops this year because If we could trade Bartell for some value, nothing would make me happier. I know he covers well but he just kills me with his mistakes at times and I see at least a play every game where I think to myself that I have no idea what he was thinking. Whether it be a tackle where he just seems to close his eyes and throw his body at a guy hoping to bring him down, or his constant slipping on misdirections, or his blown coverage at the worst times, the guy gives me headaches on every game day.

by NCRam55 on Oct 2, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Laurent reminds me of burton

just because you make one or two good plays here or there doesn’t mean you deserve to start

Clayton and Amendola bring it on EVERY play. Avery is a bit inconsistent too but he’s a burner so i’ll give him a pass on that. Laurent is supposed to be a possession receiver, which means he needs to be a reliable target.

by jb22 on Oct 1, 2010 11:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I miss the old Seahawks logo.

For most of the reasons detailed here.

FIRE CASEY "GUS" BRADLEY!

by Fearless Frog on Oct 2, 2010 12:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Really...

+1

Those were the days…

"For Better or for Worse; 'Till Death Do Us Part"

GO RAMS !!!

by Le Ram on Oct 2, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Go Rams Go

The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!

by DevsLaRams on Oct 2, 2010 12:22 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Also, this is bullshit:
Lofa Tatupu is quickly fading after a brilliant first three years in the league.

I don’t know what Lofa Tatupu you’ve watched that would make you reach this conclusion. Tatupu was an elite ILB his first 3 seasons, in the running for the best ILB in the NFL His fourth season was slowed down by various injuries, and he missed a game for the first time in his career. His fifth season (last year) started and he was just as good as ever until a freak accident tackle by teammate Deon Grant caused a torn pectoral muscle which took him out of the season.

Now, he’s completely healthy again and kicking ass as usual. He made a visible mockery of San Francisco’s running game in Week 1, and he’s been good the following 2 weeks as well.

FIRE CASEY "GUS" BRADLEY!

by Fearless Frog on Oct 2, 2010 12:25 AM CDT reply actions  

honestly i agree..

Tatupu is a beast of a ILB. one of the best at what he does. I was hoping he’d get hurt by now cuz i know he is gonna be a huge factor in this game.

by mh39 on Oct 2, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I just don’t think his pursuit is nearly as fast as it was those first three years, and to me, that’s what made him great.
From John over at Field Gulls:

Whatever the truth about Tatupu’s weight, about how he trains, if he’s gained weight because of an effort to gain weight or because of age, or if he’s gained weight at all, Seattle needs the younger Tatupu back. It needs the Tatupu that is flexible and quick, that can flash into a throwing lane, and track the ball carrier around the edge. It needs the Tatupu that sometimes struggled with blockers, because that weakness wasn’t debilitating or rare, and didn’t stop Tatupu from being one of the best young middle linebackers in the NFL. Whatever has changed over the last two seasons, it has diverted that path. Maybe he topped out early.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Oct 2, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was written before we played a regular season game

When we were working out of vanilla schemes without gameplaying for opponents.

So far, this year, Tatupu has shown himself to be back in top form. He’s flying across the field (even into the backfield on occasion) and making great tackles. The best part of his game, though, isn’t the way that racks up stats but the way that he puts other players into position to be effective. On the field, he’s the QB of the defense and you can see him making calls/adjusting assignments regularly. Without him, our defense is a lot less effective.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 2, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

No offense, but

John also believed Seattle was going to draft Taylor Mays with their first pick at 6th overall. Not that I don’t enjoy reading his work, but forgive me if I take things with a grain of salt.

FIRE CASEY "GUS" BRADLEY!

by Fearless Frog on Oct 3, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

To be honest

I’m more concerned about pete carrolls “loving Trojan touch”! That just sounds wrong on so many levels

by Stonedtodeath on Oct 2, 2010 4:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Sam Bulls-Eye Bradford

Is the deciding factor in this game. Sam hates to lose and his will has infected this team with the same philosophy. A lot of times a hero is someone who is sick of the situation they are in so much…that they do what is necessary to overcome it. I think that’s what the Rams have become. The definition of a professional is "They make the impossible look easy." In this case I hope the "Big Easy" does exactly that. I know I’m going to be sitting on pins and needles this whole game just like I did in the last ones.
I hope we have a lot of good times to talk about after tomorrow’s game!
GO RAMS!!!!!

by OakCityRam on Oct 2, 2010 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

slight off topic question,

how long have you been a rams fan

by mh39 on Oct 2, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Since Sam got drafted

I gave up college football to follow Sam’s career in the big leagues.

by OakCityRam on Oct 2, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats whats up bro

Keep doin what your doing. I always have an eye out for your fanposts man, they keep me optimistic but not overly so. I can’t tell you just joined us either. Btw Sam looks like the real deal too

by mh39 on Oct 2, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I have complete faith in him. Unless he gets injured this team will see the greatest show on turf times again, next year if not this one. I think there is magic brewing in St Louis. But I’m still scared shitless every game, cause I want him and the Rams to succeed. So far so good!

by OakCityRam on Oct 2, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is so cool

although im jealous that you missed the last three years without worry and in fact enjoyed like 2 loss seasons (last year: exception)

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 3, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Off topic but

I wonder if Avery figures heavily into plans for 2011

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by Ryan Van Bibber on Oct 2, 2010 9:58 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

i hope so

my madden game depends on it

by mh39 on Oct 2, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

this game is HUGE

No one expects the Rams to compete for the division but oppurtunity has presented itself in the form of a divisional game, if won, would give us a share of the NFC West 1st. Yes Atlanta must beat the Cards, should be easy enough. Yes it would be a 3 way tie, but if we lose we fall to the depths of the 9er. Yes, this a pivotal game. Yes, we must win.

The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!

by DevsLaRams on Oct 2, 2010 2:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

honestly

I will be shocked if the Falcons don’t clean the floor with AZ but you know what they say “any given sunday”…..we have to win this one… so much positive can come from this one win…. and I just found out I am going to be there…. so stoked…. ninth row on the goal line….. promise to do you all proud and be as loud of a distraction as possible

by stlfan2004 on Oct 2, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

enjoy the game! wish i were there!

The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!

by DevsLaRams on Oct 2, 2010 8:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Too many game previews are picking the Rams...

it’s starting to make me nervous. It’s been a long time since that has happened.

by mbmorganjr on Oct 2, 2010 2:17 PM CDT reply actions  

If Jackson and Atogwe dont play..

… pulling out a win will be monumentally difficult for the Rams.

by leadhead on Oct 2, 2010 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

i hear what you're saying but

I honestly think the team played HARDER when their go to guy ,SJ, went down which is PROOF that we can win with who we have. The extra dose of HEART took them to the finish line. If we have that momentum to build on we should do well. Seattle is tough to run on so heavy on the pass, screens, and play action should fair well for us.

The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!

by DevsLaRams on Oct 2, 2010 5:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

honestly I love Atogwe and think he is extremely valuable

but his play this year has not been an overly deciding factor. I also really expect Jackson to play for two reasons…. 1. Last game i watched him pace the sidelines right after injury and he had a desperate to play look on his face 2. The dude played half a season last year through the tremendous pain of a bulding disc all the while he was carrying 4/5 defenders on his back every play…. for those two reasons I think he suits up and goes hard. The coaches said they will trust what he says on that front and I can’t see him saying “I need to sit this one out” based on a mild strain

by stlfan2004 on Oct 2, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem is that playing could aggravate the injury, and that’s the last thing any of us want. I’m sure Jackson is absolutely SEETHING, and dying to help the team beat Seattle, but I’m just hoping people are smart here and don’t ask him to do too much.

by Abrantes on Oct 2, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you guys are right...

… but…well I certainly dont want to water down what the Rams did with Jackson out of the game, but Darby isnt going to give us a 42 yard TD run from scrimmage. I will be the first to stand up for number 34 and the job he did and I think with his performance last sunday, the Rams should put him in the game more to keep Jackson fresh in the 4th quarter he earned it.

For Atogwe, I know where his injury came from, it was when he stood up Sellers and stopped him from scoring when the rest of the team didnt want to take him on. In fact, right now, he is the only real consistent tackler we have in the secondary that I saw. Dahl did a great job in there when he was in…but…he got hurt.

by leadhead on Oct 3, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

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