Random Ramsdom, 1/9: Bulger coming back?
by Ryan Van Bibber on Jan 9, 2010 8:59 AM CST
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PrintIt's a playoff Saturday...another playoffs without the St. Louis Rams. There's still plenty of Rams news to discuss, so let's jump in.
Bulger coming back?
Bulger's agent says he wants to come back. What else would an agent say?
Rams punter had busy year
Donnie Jones kicked 90 punts this season. If for nothing else, the offense has to improve next year to save the man's golden leg.
Rams special teams picked up the slack
The Rams had a pretty good season from their special teams, thanks to a consistent returner in Danny Amendola and key contributors like Chris Chamberlain.
Pete Carroll to the Seahawks???
We have lots of USC fans at TST. I want to hear your thoughts on the Carroll to Seattle talk.
Updated NFL Draft declaration list
Who needs a degree when you can get a rookie contract?
National title draft stock up/stock down
I'm starting to like 'Bama CB Javier Arenas. MTC pegs him as a third rounder, and the Rams have had pretty good luck with third round CBs.
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Bulger coming back...?
Ok, renegotiate and give him $1M to serve as backup. No more of this $9.5M crap. Release Boller and Null. Trade 2010 and 2011 draft picks and use the $$$ freed up to acquire either Vick, Quinn, Kolb, Cassel, or yecch, Campbell as the starter. Maybe with a capable QB, SJax, Smith, Brown, Avery and Robinson our offense can score more than 10.9 points per game in 2010. On defense, the addition of Suh and an OLB to a group already containing Long, Lauranitis, Butler, Otogwe and Bartell MAY stop the ridiculous points allowed (over 400 in 2009) and allow us to win some games with scores like 13-10, 17-14, 21-17, etc. We can’t afford anymore of these 47-7, 42-6, 35-0, and 28-0 blowouts.
Vick?
what is going on with the Vick love here at TST. He is a QB that cannot throw accurately. The Ram’s run a precision/timing based offense which is exactly what Vick struggles with. I remember hearing how Vick always lacked timing/touch on the passes where he had to time it perfectly with the receiver’s break. Not a good fit. (Not a good QB in general).
Kolb would be great, but the Eagles would almost never give him up. He looked pretty good earlier this season, and in a few years he will take over for McNabb. Kansas City won’t give up Cassel. They just signed him, it’s too early to bail on him, plus they just signed Weis.
Campbell could technically be available, but I don’t see him as a good fit for the WCO. That’s basically the system in Washington as well, and he struggled with making quick decisions. Kinda like Bulger. Campbell needs to play in a vertical passing game
In his short lived career, Vick did alright.
He was able to get Atlanta to the NFC championship game by going through the Rams and Bulger like a buzz saw at 45-17. I say the guy can throw as well as any of three characters that we played at QB in 2009. And he also knows how to run and scramble, which seems to be a lost art among QB’s today. Vick would be a unique fit for our supposed “run first” offense along with SJax in the backfield. At least opposing defenses couldn’t focus eight guys up front on Jax anymore given the possibility that Vick might take off running for 20-30 yards. For sure, if Vick wasn’t of some value, a wise coach like Andy Reid wouldn’t have fooled with him. Note that I do not like Campbell either. He would be a stopgap measure since we can’t get a whole new team in one year. Again, he’d have to be better than the terrible trio of Bulger, Boller and Null. Once $9M is freed up from Bulger’s bloated contract, we can probably afford another Roman Gabriel…
How would that help?
So they couldn’t keep 8 men in the box to stop Jackson because they’d have to also focus on the threat to run of Vick? I don’t see why the 8 men in the box would leave the box since they’re still just worried about the run but with a different person.
I wouldnt mind vick
but only as a back up. But after this season I think Vick is only going to take offers where he can actually start. I think we should have signed him earlier to take bollers spot. I knew he was a dud even before we signed that joker. Also I think drafting Null was a mistake I think he could have been obtained as a undrafted free agent. Also I think personally Berlin beat him out and the coaching staff already made their mind up prior to even seeing Null play. I’m really not sure we are going to draft a qb if colt mcoy falls to round 3 I think i would pull the trigger and have him beat out Null fair and square.
R.I.P Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan
by keeperskillz24 on Jan 10, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
Vick would excel in Miami.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I was
thinking the same thing. But I think they’re into chad henne plus they drafted pat white to run some of the wild cat plays and options. Vick would combine those two guys into one which would make it much more confusing to the defense. I also see the raiders getting him, signing vick just sounds like something they would do.
R.I.P Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan
by keeperskillz24 on Jan 10, 2010 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
If the Rams give up a bunch of draft picks,
they will be settling for winning a few games and being a mediocre team for the next decade. We can’t afford to trade draft picks for someone else’s back-up QB. Let’s build our team the right way and have a team that will be good for a number of years – even if it takes another year or two of poor results.
And let’s face it, any of the good QBs on your list won’t be available and Campbell is no better than the QBs we’ve got now.
They'll be available for the right $$$ and/or pick.
And, I should point out that this team has been rebuilding since Mike Martz left. Personally, I’ve waited long enough. A bunch of 3-7 round draft picks typically gets one a bunch of mediocre players. That’s the last thing we need. Instead we need a few stars to motivate people and restore some excitement. That would be a guy like Suh. Aside from Lauranitis, and maybe Smith (who was sure injured alot) our drafting is highly suspect. We could’ve got Null undrafted. Previous picks like Barron, Carriker, Tye Hill, Joe Klop, Brian Leonard, all 1st and 2nd rounders sure worked out well didn’t they? Chris Long has certainly not played up to his 2nd overall pick in the 2008 draft status. And how about picking undersized Donnie Avery instead of Desean Jackson in 2008? No, we need proven players, not more draft picks.
I can't make heads or tail of this.
Who’s arguing what here?
Ed, are you saying we should get rid of our top draft picks since the previous management sucked at drafting? But then you say we need to draft Suh. (btw, I think Bradley Fletcher was a pretty good draft pick and we’ve yet to see how Brooks Foster can play. But even with Foster being a question mark, we drafted 3 guys who started, and played very well, as rookies. That’s a pretty good draft. If Foster becomes a decent player for us, that’ll be 4 of 7 draft picks in Devaney/Spags first offseason who are contributors. I find it awfully difficult to complain about that.)
And I still can’t find the part where andy said we should trade down and compile lower round draft picks unless you meant something different by this:
A bunch of 3-7 round draft picks typically gets one a bunch of mediocre players. That’s the last thing we need.
Either way, I’m not sure what trading for Cassel (or how you’d do it since he’s signed through 2014 with the Chiefs) or really any of those other guys (except maybe Kolb, whom I think will be retained by the Eagles since he’s signed through 2010 at only 550,000).
I get that the QB FA class is bad, but that doesn’t mean we should give up draft picks for Vick (although I do feel as though he’s going to get released and in that case, go ahead and sign him).
Nonetheless, I would think you were more on board with using our top picks to solidify our D-Line since we both agreed that not only thats our biggest weakness, but that a great D-Line makes the entire defense better.
I guess I’ve just got lost in this argument somehow and am just trying to piece it back together.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Something got misconstrued here. I am 100% for taking Suh with the 1st pick.
And I wouldn’t hesitate to take an OLB with the 2nd pick. To me those are the two nuclear picks and rounds 3-7 are a crapshoot. I lose it when people start saying trade the 1st pick (Suh) for more 2nd or even 3rd rounders just to get some new bodies. I would NOT draft a QB right now. We’re gonna free up a ton of $$$ by dumping Bulger, Barron, Little, etc. so we can afford a decent FA QB. I think Mike Vick can be had on the cheap and would work out fine. Kolb or Quinn might be obtainable too. Cassel is probably a pipe dream, and I know he has a contract, but I gotta mention him. Maybe KC would take some 2010 and 2011 picks for him. They didn’t give up but a #2 to get the guy in the 1st place. Campbell would be the last resort. I really really want us to focus on “D” this offseason. Lauranitis has proved himself. Theoretically, Otogwe, Butler and Bartell are good too. Everyone says Chris Long is vastly improving and Gibson/Ryan at least OK. Add in Suh and a 2nd round OLB and we might be onto a tough defense. And defense wins ball games.
Cassel ain't happening.
If for no other reason than the contract he just signed. Also, that #2 they gave up for him was the 34th pick in the draft. As 2nd round picks go, not many are better than the 34th pick.
As for QB. I really don’t know what to do.
Kolb is under contract for 550,000 so I’m pretty sure they aren’t going to cut him and Quinn is also under contract though 2011 for 700,000 so unless the Browns simply don’t want him anymore, they’ve got no reason to cut him either (unless they acquire another QB somehow….).
Campbell is a UFA unless there’s no cap next year which would make him a RFA and I don’t think I’d want to give up a draft pick to sign him. Same goes with Kyle Orton although I’d probably be more inclined to consider it for Orton.
I really think the Eagles are going to release Vick and he’d probably sign in St. Louis because I know he wants to start and he’d definitely be in the divers seat with the Rams. Is he a good fit? Probably not, but we don’t have a ton of options right now.
After that, you’re looking at a list of UFAs like Charlie Batch, Boller, Mark Brunell, David Carr, Kellen Clemens, Duante Culpepper, Rex Grossman, Jon Kitna, Josh McCown, Chad Pennington, Chris Redman, Sage Rosenfells, and Brain St. Pierre.
Lots of yuck.
However, I’m not quite sure I’m satisfied drafting a QB (1st round, 3rd round, any round) and going in to the season with a QB corps of Null, Reilly, and rookie. That’s pretty thin on experience. So, I almost feel as if we desperately need to either sign one of these guys or pray that Bulger actually does come back.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I'll be sure to write a fanpost...
…once the Pete news is official. I mean, it’s pretty damn official right now, but I’m in denial/praying for a miracle mode right now. :(
By the way, bring Marc back.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
Hopefully
Bates doesn’t go with Pete, I think he would be our next HC(USC)
Jake Locker in 2011
Doubtful...
The Cards are the oldest team in the NFL. Warner’s talking retirement and Boldin wants to be traded. The 49ers only improved from 7-9 to 8-8 in Singletary’s 2nd year with 5 of their wins coming from within the division. They have no reliable QB and can’t beat anyone outside the NFC West. And speaking of unreliable QB’s, the Sea Hawks have a real problem with Hasselbeck being washed up. They are on a sharp downhill slide. And the Rams, well, we were 1-15. We’re still, by far, the weakest division in pro football.
how can you say that? the NFC West is the laghing stock of the NFL.
and the Cardinals (thats right, the Cards) are the only dominant team, and they are inconsistent as all can be.
You have no QB, Seattle has NO QB, and SF has NO QB, and when Warner retired, Arizona will have….NO QB.
Four teams without a QB, in a QB crazy league where franchise guys are popping up left and right.
Your only hope is to trade down and give Suh to us and take McCOY or another stud QB, Claussen, whom ever.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan since 1979
by Niko Houllis on Jan 12, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Colt McCoy
suffered nerve damage to his shoulder……….interested to see how this affects his draft stock
Jake Locker in 2011
steven jackson fans
don’t get me wrong but i beginning to loose faith in steven jackson. many of you short timers with the rams are ready to give him sainthood. for all-time running backs with the rams he wouldn’t be in my top three(his time isn’t up yet). for such a big strong running back he doesn’t produce the way he should. he constantly gets alot of no-gainer or one or two yarders, his recieveing yards have really fallen off this year. lots of no-gainers and dropped passes. and what is with his stutter step as he approches the line (the same way marshall faulk did after his knee injury). when he doesn’t do that and runs full speed into the line is when he breaks for big yardage. i’m about ready for the rams to ship him out, get another first round draft pick for him and get another running back. remember it’s the rams not the sjaxs
by raminwoolfclothing on Jan 9, 2010 7:03 PM CST reply actions
You're ahead of the game-
In your first TST post, you’ve make enough f**kups to carry you through your next ten posts. wow.
He's produced plenty for what he's had to work with
what is with his stutter step as he approches the line… when he doesn’t do that and runs full speed into the line is when he breaks for big yardage
When he runs full speed into the line and breaks big yardage its because there is a hole there and he sees and runs through it. When he takes a stutter step there isn’t a hole so he is trying to wait for one.
Its not a one man job, he needs his line.
I wish he would forget the stutter step and jump cut
when he has a short yardage situation. If he would get down behind his pads and barrel into the line, he would make the yard or two we need. When he does all this dancing around he stands straight up and is usually stopped for no gain or a loss. There are times to be patient and wait for an opening, and times to barrel in there without waiting. It would be nice if he would recognize that.
Its amazing how funny it is to read other teams blogs and see the obvious mistake fans make.
Steven Jackson it the ONLY guy you guys have. He is not as good because……… the rest of your team stinks, and defenses only have to game plan for one person, Jackson! and he still plays good!
Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan since 1979
by Niko Houllis on Jan 12, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
I am in denial right now also, because i do not wanna see coach Carrol going to the hated seahawks!! Then he would be coaching the enemy and my boys at SC would probably go back to what it was like during the 90’s there, and that wasn’t fun
If practice makes perfect....
Yet nobodies perfect.....
Then why practice ???
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