Dan Lefevour
by Stlramsfan14 on Jan 31, 2010 10:24 PM CST
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The real deal...
I feel like Dan is overlooked just a little bit. I say he is more talented than Tebow and easily has a better future. Stands at 6'2 226 pounds so he is about average size. He put up impressive numbers at central michigan granted it is central Michigan. He had a great senior bowl where everyone else struggled. He is an intruging prospect that has a pretty good arm that is stronger than pike's and more accurate than Tebow and after watching the senior bowl i noticed showed good footwork. He is semi athletic so he want be a statue behind our line. I feel you have to take a flyer on this guy. Maybe a third rounder. What are your guy's thoughts?
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keeps talking 3rd or 4th round. I don’t see that happening after his Senior Bowl show. Wouldn’t suprise meif he went before Tebust
by johnniewarthawg on Jan 31, 2010 10:31 PM CST reply actions
I don't think the Senior Bowl has that much effect.
His performance during his time in college, what the scouts see about how he handles all the things a QB must do, and the combine will really decide where he goes. I still wouldn’t be surprised to see 4th round.
Its funny you mention that because
Mayock was just saying how in the senior bowl week you can see the top guys practicing and playing side by side. He put a lot of emphasis on the value of that. (Problem is its only seniors)
The guy who puts the most value on combine performance has misfired every year in the draft, my good buddy Al Davis.
by CoachConnors on Feb 1, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Old Plastic Pants doesn't just put the most value on the combine
he takes it to a whole ’nuther level by placing all of his marbles in the “40 Yard Dash” basket.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
do we really think that
we’re going to get our future QB from the 3-4th round? history would suggest otherwise…there are always exceptions but they are just that; exceptions
I tend to agree.
I like this kid too, tho his throws don’t have enough zip IMO. He still looks like a project which isn’t exactly what we need. If we don’t go QB rd 1 then I’d tend to think it’s more or less a wasted pick.
Pretty bold prediciton for Mike Reilly.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I feel like he's overlooked, too
and I hope it stays that way. He’s the real deal. Watch the film. The guy has the awareness and accuracy of a character you create on Madden.
Don’t forget that the MAC has a reputation for QBs, and we would be lucky to snag him in the 4th round. Hopefully to battle for a starting spot w/ a veteran FA.
by mooseknuckles41 on Feb 1, 2010 12:09 AM CST reply actions
You're slightly mis-representing the MAC's reputation for QBs.
Just because Rothelisberger is a stud, doesn’t make ‘em all studs. Sure, a lot get in the NFL, but most become backups. Leftwich was probably the somewhat exception since he was always injured. But he wasn’t a great quarterback by any stretch of the imagination.
Although, Pennington did have a pretty decent run, he’s far from someone you’d want to build your franchise around.
(btw, Roethlisberger, Pennington, and Leftwich were all 1st round draft picks which is not were Lefevour will be selected)
After those three, you’re really only looking at like Charile Frye, Bruce Gradkowski, and Nate Davis (and I think there was a black guy who QB’d at Bowling Green who I can’t think of right now).
Look, this is coming from a person who is a self-proclaimed MAC fanboy. I’ve been singing Dan Lefevrour’s praises for a while now, but reality is Roethlisberger is the only QB from the MAC I’d have ever wanted on my team.
Personally, I have a feeling Lefevour is more Gradkowski than Roethlisberger (or Leftwich or Pennington). I hope I’m wrong though and wouldn’t complain if the Rams got him in the 3rd round or lower.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
yeah.....and?
so are you saying Dan Lefevour is better than Keith Null and Mike Reilly? Is that supposed to be some sort of endorsement?
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I'm kind of foggy
on what we were originally arguing about because my work computer is glitching and not letting me read the whole thread- BUT, if it’s the fact that the MAC has been a great conf. for quarterbacks for the last decade, then yes. It’s an endorsement.
by mooseknuckles41 on Feb 2, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
You don't find a lot of MAC QBs
only because the MAC has only just recently improved to the point of being a respectable conference. No, it’s not the SEC, BIG 12, or PAC 10 yet but just because it doesn’t have a glorious history doesnt exclude it from producing NFL QBs now. Thats another example of how historical evidence isn’t as reliable as recent factual evidence.
Lefevour shouldn’t be disqualified because of his conference. It will work against him but it’s not as important as the mechanics and intangibles that can be judged closely by experienced scouts.
We don't need another project QB
We already have Null so we can not afford to draft someone like lefevour another project QB
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by Brandon Birkhead on Feb 1, 2010 6:30 AM CST reply actions
Then who do you suggest?
Because I don’t really see any QBs in the draft that aren’t, in some way, a ‘project’. Whether its mechanics or the type of offense they run in college or the ability to overcome injuries, they’ve all got major question marks.
And the alternatives to the draft are less than inviting.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Wait till next year then
I’m in the Suh camp anyway. I couldn’t agree more that all QBs are projects, including Clausen or Bradford. Suhs potential is the surest thing in the draft, IMHO, and next year we can get a QB. I’d rather have one of 3 that will be available next year anyway.
I like Clausen having been coached by a former "great" NFL Offensive Cooridnator
I think Clausen is probably well ahead of the game when it comes to being prepared for the NFL because just a few years ago his coach Charlie Weis was OC for the Patriots, and he was considered one of the best in the business. Some even said genuis.
Until he stunk up Notre Dame, that is.
Despite his inability to make a go of the Head Coaching thing in the NCAA, Weis was pretty much a proven commodity developing NFL offenses. He did a fantastic job at what he is good at. I bet Clausen is more mentally NFL ready than most people think.
good point, imo
about Clausen and Weis.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Could it also be
that Weis brought Clausen along as far as he can go, and he won’t improve much more in the pros? Weis took a mediocre guy at QB and brong him along to the absolute limit of his capability, and that’s about all he’s ever going to be? I don’t know one way or the other, but we have to realize this Weis coaching thing can be see two different ways.
No, I really don't think so because
He didn’t see the game at Notre Dame that he’ll see in the pros. He may have run a pro-ish offense but he’ll need to work to elevate his game in every aspect to be successful against the competition in the NFL. Just as every one of those QB’s will develop into better players with time, experience playing against better competition, and repetition of skill building drills in practice.
He has lots of good habits yet to ingraine that are not yet really habits because he’s only been working on them for a couple of years. But what’s an advantage is he’s probably been working on more pro oriented practices than most guys. He’s been working on the right things.
You’d be amazed how many guys waste their time working on things that don’t help them at the pro level (after all, their college coach needs to win NOW). Do you want your QB perfecting little things like the Center-QB exchange, or drop back footwork, or how to catch the ball in the shotgun while simultaneously reading the D? Probably the first two.
He has “second nature” and instinct to that will now undergo further maturing and refining on a speed he can’t even imagine. He will see defenses he’s never seen before, and need to learn them inside and out.
It’s these parts of his growth as a player that he may be more ready to accept after working with Weis. It may be much less foreign when he shows up to work with his new coach. All these guys will need to go through it to be successful, but maybe Weis has him further along the path of recognition and acceptance than some other players are. His NFL coachability, in other words, and his ability to pick up what NFL OC’s are talking about.
But it’s a marathon, not a sprint. He may be quicker out of the blocks so to speak, but it’s still a years long process to get where he’s going. The point has been correctly made by others that it probably has little to no bearing on how high his ceiling is. Just that he may be more ready to make a quick start now.
by CoachConnors on Feb 2, 2010 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
That's fine and dandy.
but right now you’re looking at the very real possibility of your entire QB postion consisting of Keith Null and Mike Reilly.
Someone needs to be added to that mix and I’m afraid of the names available.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
After last year
As far as I’m concerned, we have more to lose by not getting Suh than we do in not getting Bradford or Clausen. We’re not gonna get it done in one off season anyway. I do want a FA addition, a stop gap, if you will. As far as Null and Reilly representing our entire QB corps, well, that wasn’t the way i’d have gone either, but we’ve covered that ad nauseum.
I like Clausens having worked with Weis and prefer him to Bradford for that reason. As I compared that whole thing before to getting a PC with windows already installed.
Would you back a draft that went Suh then Clausen with the top two picks?
I would. Then free for all on Defense BPA.
At the Tight End, Fells is a free agent accodring to Walter, but so is Owen Daniels. I would be pleased with an Owen Daniels if we got Suh and Clausen. That sounds like a bright start to 2010
Yes, I like that too
Owen Daniels has had some knee injuries, so maybe he’s not ideal….but there’s also Sheffler who can catch and run better than our currently rostered Tight Ends.
With Fells in FA, they need to address the TE position in some way, even if it’s just to sing him to a deal and commit to developing him. By the way, Walter’s Free Agent TE also list includes Anthony Fasano (26 y/o, RFA). That’d be interesting.
You know after Suh
All positions are wide open anyway as far as I’m concerned. If we got an Olb in the 3rd (after Clausen) great, but if one isn’t available at value I’d like any one of 5 different TE’s I believe could be there. Dickson isn’t rated as highly as McCoy from USC by some but he’s a polished receiver whom will go over the middle and can break away from all but the fastest CBs as well. I like him, McCoy, Gronkowski, Hernandez, and Graham. I think in that order
draft D
This is a strong draft for D. Draft there. Rams should take Suh #1 and best OLB in rd2. Unless, we get a great offer of picks and/or players. It’s looking like FA is not going to bring much help.
by rlf707 on Feb 1, 2010 9:53 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
i'd spend a third rounder on him.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 1, 2010 10:47 AM CST reply actions
I have always pushed for LeFevour
I’m afraid all the extra pub he has gotten is going to elevate his status and now other teams might be looking at him. If you didn’t see that bowl game last month (Central Michigan vs. Troy) you missed a dandy. It went double overtime and CMU just eeked out the victory with the game winning field goal. I think the final score was in the 50’s. Lots of scoring and no defense obviously. But LeFevour put on a show that game. The only thing that worries me about him is the fact that they run a spread offense out of the shotgun at CMU. He also has a tendency to look to run the ball just as often as he throws. He’s got some wheels on him. For this reason, I think he would fit in with the Rams because of our porous offensive line. He is gonna have to be on the run a lot until the line gets fixed. But as far as the mechanics and arm strength, it looks like he has a cannon and can make all the NFL throws. That perfectly placed bomb to Marty Gilyard in the Senior Bowl only proves my point. If the Rams don’t trade down out of number one and get Jimmy Clausen, I hope LeFevour is still on the board in the third round for us to nab him.
I won't support a QB from a spread offense
Sounds just like a more advanced Null. These spread-O guys have have issues that we won’t know the severity of until after they work with the team for weeks. In fact, after the Rams coaches experience bringing Null along I bet they feel the same way
I agree with rlf707...
If we don’t trade down and get additional picks, we need to take Suh with the first pick and I was hoping Sean Weatherspoon would still be there in the second round to address the OLB position. Lefevour in the third round and then offensive line help with the next two picks.
If we wait til' next year
to get a franchise qb we will probably play our way out of getting locker. I would look at Jerrod Johnson. He had a monsturous game against texas. The guy looks like the second coming of vince young
How many Franchise QB's are in the draft this year, and what are their names?
If the answer isn’t easy to come up with, you see one strong argument for waiting.
My question for you is
if tampa decides to trade up with us would you pull the trigger on bradford at #3?
so if you're picking #3, then you'll maybe have another 1st or 2nd too
Yeah I probably would too but its tough to say at this point, not even knowing what the other picks are. As of today, I would be ok if they decided to take Clausen instead.
by CoachConnors on Feb 5, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
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