3k's 2010 Mock Draft, v3.0 (Jan. 29)
Well, it's officially mock season for the k since you guys voted for a mock over an OLB big board. I did a first round mock after the 2009 draft and one around the midpoint of the college season, but this is the first mock using a (semi) official draft order which takes a lot of the guessing, work and guess work out of the mocks leaving you nothing but crappy mockery. And so, it is with great pleasure I say, "May the mocking begin in earnest," but only because I like saying "in earnest."
With that gibberish behind us, I welcome you all into 3k mock draft headquarters. For those of you who are newer to the community, every official 3k mock draft begins by checking in with Mel Kiper, Jr.'s hair. Mel's hair, how's the 2010 draft looking at this point?
That's some damn good analysis, Kiper's hair! Well done. Let's begin...
- no previous official mocks
- scouting reports from Mocking the Draft, ESPN, WalterFootball, & DraftCountdown
- acronym list: BPA/BTA: best player/talent available, CW: conventional wisdom, FO: front office
- the following picks will be determined by a coin flip: 10 & 11 (between Jacksonville and Denver, via Chicago), 16 & 17 (between San Francisco, via Carolina, and Tennessee), and 19 & 20 (Atlanta and Houston). I've picked one of the two randomly in each case.
- the last two picks are decided by the results of the Super Bowl. I'll take the Saints to win it all, so they'd have the final pick of the first round after Indy.
- as always, any requests for stuff you'd like to see in the next edition would be appreciated. I've already started working on a two-round mock, so unless there's some crazy movement, I'll just make that the next official mock.
Round 1
1 - St. Louis Rams - Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma (M, E, W)
I think this is going to be much like Detroit's pick last year; the country is going to feel the team gravitating toward a QB before the local fan base accepts it. And just like Detroit fans last year were clamoring for offensive line help, I won't be surprised if Suh's contingent here at TST feels the sting early on (similar to the Aaron Curry fans in 2009), but this puts a lot of pressure on HC Spagnuolo and OC Shurmur to turn things up a notch offensively in 2010 especially if they take Bradford over Jimmy Clausen (QB, Notre Dame)
2 - Detroit Lions - Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska (M, E, W)
Detroit largely ignored their lines in the draft in the 2009 offseason; I'd be shocked if they did the same this spring.
Pulse of the Nation (Pride of Detroit): It only makes sense that Detroit is in full pray for Suh mode (link 1, 2) which is the same as pray the Rams take a QB mode. If the Rams take Suh, that leaves Detroit with some tough questions, namely which OT would they grab out of Russell Okung (Oklahoma St.), Trent Williams (Oklahoma) and Anthony Davis (Rutgers).
3 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma (E, W)
This year's mocks will be all over the place, and Tampa is a good example. Do they take McCoy if Suh is gone? Obviously, if Suh somehow slips past the Rams and Lions, he's a lock here. What about WR? If Dez Bryant (WR, Oklahoma St.), could the media attention catapult him this high? What about my overall BPA, Eric Berry (S, Tennesee)?
PotN (Buc' Em): The CW right now is Suh>McCoy, but I expect the Berry & Bryant voices to get louder as the draft approaches, especially since this draft is so deep at DT.
4 - Washington Redskins - Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame (M, E, W)
Much like the Rams taking a QB to sync his career with a new head coach (similar to Detroit and Tampa in 2009), I expect the Redskins to take their top-rated QB at #4 and part ways with the misused, misunderstood and mismissed Jason Campbell. Don't be surprised if they're picking single digits again in the 2011 draft; if you're a Redskins fan, don't let that anger you. Being that low allows you to replace Clinton Portis with top young talent and make a push in the 2011 NFC East right when the Eagles' and Cowboys' age issues catch up with them.
PotN (Hogs Haven): Over at HH, there's quite a bit of debate on how to deal with the QB issue. RIght now, it feels to me like Detroit in 2009 - so many other needs that would make the team a better fit for a rookie QB in a year, but the unfortunate reality that without a QB, this team does nothing in 2010.
5 - Kansas City Chiefs - Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma St. (M, E, W)
Okung or Berry? Need or talent (not that Okung is a shabby talent...)? Tough call. To me, though, this smells like so many above: Scott Pioli takes over the Chiefs' operations, gets his QB of the future in Matt Cassel, and needs someone to protect that investment better than Branden Albert did this season.
PotN (Arrowhead Pride): The AP faithful haven't really settled on any one player in particular. I can't say that I blame them. With so much talent at the top of this draft, you have a chance to fill a number of vital positions with great prospects.
6 - Seattle Seahawks - Eric Berry, S, Tennessee (M, E, W)
The Pete Carroll era in Seattle begins on a very high note if they can grab Eric Berry at 6. He's my overall BPA, but with so many new administrations, who will be willing to use their top pick on a safety, albeit one who has more talent in his toe than so many other college safeties?
PotN (Field Gulls): FG isn't brimming with draft talk just yet as their hiring of Pete Carroll as HC understandably is pulling more attention. But a team that is aging quickly at the skill positions and still trying to remake itself from its peak version that saw them reach the Super Bowl just a few years ago needs to hit both these picks square on the nose. Does that mean Clausen? What about C.J. Spiller (player link, RB, Clemson)? Who konws; it's too early to gauge where Carroll is taking this team and how that affects their draft.
7 - Cleveland Browns - Joe Haden, CB, Florida (M, E, W)
Cleveland needs a QB and defensive help - sure, that's obvious. I just wonder where this offense is going. Jerome Harrison impressed me and Mohammed Massaquoi put together a solid season (although I think projections of him being a star #1 WR are off base), but this team needs a playmaker on offense. If they keep trying to force Josh Cribbs into the offense, he's going to incur another big injury and I expect this one will be much more serious. That being the case, I could see them taking Dez Bryant, but if they're interested in improving their long-term prospects, Haden makes sense.
PotN (Dawgs by Nature): These guys really like talking draft. I mean really.
8 - Oakland Raiders - Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida (E, W)
Trying to mock for Al Davis is like reaching deep within your football knowledge, pulling out the most ridiculous thoughts and then trying to explain them. That being the case, I see Oakland going after one of three guys: Dunlap, Taylor Mays (S, USC) or Tim Tebow (Really? You really don't know who Tim Tebow is? Go away.). Why? Because none of them make any sense. Therefore, they make sense.
PotN (Silver and Black Pride): What a wacky franchise. How can you not love the Raiders? Constant drama from top to bottom and one of the most entertaining fan bases out there. And when it comes to draft talk, well, the base is all over the place.
9 - Buffalo Bills - Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma (E, W, D)
You could argue T-Will is the toughest O-lineman in the draft and find plenty of company, just don't argue that he's the most talented unless you want some time alone. The issue is whether he can develop the technique demanded of a successful NFL LT. If not, this would be an expensive pick for a right tackle (and not necessarily a productive one), but still much more useful than their 2009 first rounder who recently placed second in a poll for most disappointing Bill in 2009.
PotN (Buffalo Rumblings): The CW seems to push for an OT in the first, but there seems to be more love for Anthony Davis than Trent Williams.
10 - Jacksonville Jaguars - Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech (W)
I know Tebow is the en vogue pick here, and I understand the business ramifications: Tebow would pull tons of Florida fans to Jacksonville to feed money into a business that is failing right now. If something isn't done, the Jaguars will have to move soon. I get it. But is Tebow a long-term answer? First, when would he start? When would Jack Del Rio sit David Garrard to give Tebow the starting nod? How successful could he be without a productive defense? And how long would that marriage last? It makes more sense to me to accept reality and look for the best solution for your business, for your team and for your fans - put the best team possible on the field. If that's the goal, it makes no sense to draft Tebow here, and I expect Wayne Weaver, Gene Smith and Jack Del Rio feel the same way.
PotN (Big Cat Country): Speaking of Del Rio, I sometimes used this spot last year to highlight cool things being done at several of SBNation's football communities. I have to do it again as BCC landed an exclusive interview with head coach Jack Del Rio. If you can't see that SBN is the leading collective at the center of what has to be called a media revolution (as it applies to sports, obviously), I feel for you.
11 - Denver Broncos (via ) - Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma St. (M, W)
Whether or not Brandon Marshall leaves, the Broncos have to seek a replacement. This aggression will not stand...
PotN (Mile High Report): MHR brings the draft to the front page and addresses the same issue...with a different result.
12 - Miami Dolphins - Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama (M, E, W)
The Dolphins would do well to start rebuilding their LB corps from the inside out, and there's not a better prospect to do so with than McClain.
PotN (The Phinsider): The CW, and the fans, agree, though Dez Bryant is a popular mock option.
13 - San Francisco 49ers - Taylor Mays, S, USC (E, W, D)
Mays has some serious flaws in his game, but he's got great attributes as well that you would think would have Mike Singletary foaming at the mouth.
PotN (Niners Nation): Drew K has a pretty cool series over at NN looking at 100 prospects for this year's draft. Good stuff.
14 - Seattle Seahawks (via Denver) - Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland (M, W)
If Seattle gets through their first two picks and hasn't brought in a new QB, 2010 could be ugly for the Seahawks. Still, it might be the best way to build their team in the long-term so that when they bring in a franchise QB for Coach Carroll, they already have young defensive playmakers in Berry (see pick #6), Lofa Tatupu and Aaron Curry to go with offensive line skill in Max Unger and Campbell.
15 - New York Giants - Earl Thomas, S, Texas (M, W)
The Giants need to refit their defense, because since Spagnuolo left, it hasn't been impressive. Filling James Butler's old spot with another Texas secondary alumni would be a solid improvement as Perry Fewell puts a defense together in the Giants' post-SB era.
PotN (Big Blue View): Sure, the fans want defense, and that's where the CW is, but there's plenty of time between now and the draft.
16 - Tennessee Titans - Everson Griffen, DE, USC (M, W)
Kyle Vanden Bosch is aging quickly and William Hayes hasn't developed into much of a threat; Griffen has a lot of room to improve, but his raw strength for his size is undeniable.
PotN (Music City Miracles): As a couple of Shots at MCM prove (example 1, 2), the CW is firmly in "DE to Tennessee" mode.
17 - San Francisco (via Carolina) - Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB, Texas (M, E, W)
Adding Kindle to Patrick Willis would give the Niners a LB corps to rival the Seahawks; plus, he fits a 3-4 OLB mold better than any posiiton at the NFL level, although I think he could play OLB in a 4-3 better than most.
18 - Pittsburgh Steelers - Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers (E)
The Steelers need help on their line as much as their secondary, which received more focus from the national media after Troy Polamalu got hurt. Davis allows them to move Willie Colon who I'm sure is not a fan favorite in Pittsburgh.
PotN (Behind the Steel Curtain): They've looked at the CW and have a community member throwing out multi-round mocks. Well done, BTSC.
19 - Houston Texans - Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida St. (M, E, D)
The Texans need to improve their passing defense; Robinson makes sense here.
PotN (Battle Red Blog): This is going to be a recurrence this pre-draft portion of 2010 -- someone is going to bring up a draft thread and it's going to turn into a Terrence Cody thread (player link, NT, Alabama). I fully expect a good 90% of communities to have at least one of these in the next two months.
20 - Atlanta Falcons - Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan (N/A)
The fight for the second tier CBs should be interesting and could lead to some mid to late 1st round trades. After these two, it falls off; Javier Arenas (CB, Alabama) is too small and Perrish Cox (CB, Oklahoma St.) is too raw.
PotN (The Falcoholic): What do I mock when the CW is confused? Whatever the hell I want, sucka...
21 - Cincinnati Bengals - Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame (M, E, W)
If nothing else, I hope this puts the passing of Chris Henry behind Bengal fans. Sad story, but this franchise is going somewhere and I would hate for a tragedy to drag them down.
PotN (Cincy Jungle): What should the Bengals do to upgrade their receiving options? Something.
22 - New England Patriots - Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma (M, E*, W)
I had to put an asterisk next to the ESPN report because I don't see how you can give a top grade in durability to a guy who had an ACL injury in high school and missed his entire 2009 season. Foolish scouting aside, Gresham is huge, and you can't teach huge-ology. You can teach technique, and that's where he's lacking. Still, the Pats could use a TE threat and Ben Watson (whose contract is up) is not a threat.
PotN (Pats Pulpit): Just like the necessary Terrence Cody thread I mentioned in #19, its evil twin, the Tim Tebow thread, will accompany in every community. And yes, you will hate to comment again, but you will. You will...
23 - Green Bay Packers - C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson (M, E, W)
Somebody will likely take him higher, but with so many quality players at other positions (and a bumper crop of RBs on the way for the 2011 draft), Spiller isn't as much of a commodity to me. But here, he makes sense. He offers a great change from Ryan Grant and is a much better return man than Jordy Nelson.
PotN (Acme Packing Company): Not much draftiness over at APC, but obviously, there's plenty of roster change discussion. How does this relate? Because a lot of people would love to sign Aaron Kampman, but not even the Pack can decide if he's part of their 2010 plans. Now, how do we blame this on Favre again?
24 - Philadelphia Eagles - Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida (M, E, W)
If losing Stewart Bradley for the season didn't expose the Eagles' LB corps as a soft spot, having Jeremiah Trotter rejoin the Eagles did, methinks. Even if they feel more comfortable with Bradley in the middle, they can move Spikes over to the Sam since ex-Ram Will Witherspoon is playing his first name.
PotN (Bleeding Green Nation): A couple targets get thrown around here, but no Spikes mention although Sean Weatherspoon (OLB, Missouri) does get a nod, and a deserving one at that. And while I could see the Eagles grabbing a DE, taking Greg Hardy (DE, Ole Miss) or Ricky Sapp (DE, Clemson) doesn't get as much value as Spikes IMO.
25 - Baltimore Ravens - Damian Williams, WR, USC (M, W)
This might be a bit of a reach given Williams' current stock, but Derrick Mason deserves a retirement. Seriously. If nothing else, he has earned the right to force Baltimore's hand and draft a receiver this year.
PotN (Baltimore Beatdown): Going through the comments at BB on which underclassmen they would like to see in B-more, you wouldn't think a team with so many "needs" made the divisional round of the AFC playoffs. More confusingly, I don't know if that suggests the Ravens overperformed or underperformed in 2009.
26 - Arizona Cardinals - Navorro Bowman, OLB, Penn St. (E)
The Cards need to add some youthful talent alongside Karlos Dansby; Bowman's speed on the outside would be a welcome change from rolling roster of elder statemen that keep popping up at the OLB spots in Arizona's 3-4.
PotN (Revenge of the Birds): Cards fans know they need LB help, everyone else knows they need LB help. The question is who.
27 - Dallas Cowboys - Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa (N/A)
Honeslty, I see the Cowboys trading up to get their LT of choice to replace Flozell. If not, this becomes a relatively easy BPA pick since they can't fill their needs at LT, FS with much confidence. I could see them settling on Bulaga to give him a shot; worse scenario is that he takes over Marc Colombo's job in a year or two on the right side. I think anyone looking to improve their O-line at the back end of the 1st round has to give a long look at Mike Iupati (OL, Idaho).
PotN (Blogging the Boys): After looking at Kiper's need list, the BTB faithful seem to be on board with improving the OL as the first task of order. The CW is all over the map, though, so keep an eye on news nuggets coming out of Dallas; they could shake up the 1st round big time.
28 - San Diego Chargers - Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama (M, E, W, D)
As I mentioned, Cody and Tebow are likely to be the two most contentious mockeries (as in my made up mock draft language, not that they are a "mockery"). Like Tebow, I think a team will pull the trigger on Cody too early, and this could be where it happens. The Chargers could use some fresh talent up front; asking Luis Castillo is asking too much, and Jamal Williams, who played just 1 game last year, is anything but reliable for the Chargers' future.
PotN (Bolts from the Blue): The CW hones in on finding a NT, but is Cody the answer? And a great post on looking at the uncappery that (seemingly) looms.
29 - New York Jets - Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida (E, W)
While I think the Jets will spend this pick on a WR, I also think JPP will go higher. He's got great speed and agility for his impressive build. I just worry about the fact that he only played one year at the top level of college football, and he did so with George Selvie (DE, S. Florida) on the other side.
PotN (Gang Green Nation): Could the Jets use help on the D-line? Of course. That's why I mocked a DE here, crumbum. But keep in mind, Rams fans, we could have picked workout warrior (and now hopeless) Vernon Gholston, GGN's #1 most disappointing Jet in 2009.
30 - Minnesota Vikings - Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee (M, W, D)
How many Williamses can Minnesota stack at DT on the depth chart? At least with Dan to go with Pat & Kevin. DWill has raw power that would be a great addition to the Vikes. I could see either Brian Price (DT, UCLA) or Jared Odrick (DT, Penn St.) here if they think either of those guys fit, but IMO DWill's strength is a great match. (I made it through this without mentioning Brett Favre! Oh shit...)
PotN (Daily Norseman): Give the community over at the DN credit; just a couple dozen hours removed from losing the NFC Championship in painful fashion and they're already talking draft. Well done.
31 - Indianapolis Colts - Brian Price, DT, UCLA (M, W)
D-tackle isn't much of a position of need, but when you're coming off a Super Bowl trip, you can lean on BPA for picks. Moving forward with a young crop of defensive line studs wouldn't be a horrible situation to deal with.
PotN (Stampede Blue): Expect any SBN community who follows a team about to play in their sport's championship to be looking past the game? Me neither. But draft talk is draft talk...even if it's in retrospect.
32 - New Orleans Saints - Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri (E, W, D)
Here's someone who I think will rise through the ranks as we near draft day. I really like Weatherspoon's combination of size and agility, and I think he would fit in fill in New Orleans, my pick for Super Bowl champs.
PotN (Canal Street Chronicles): This.
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Great read
Rams should at least explore trading down if they are not picking Suh. I doubt Mays would be taken that high now that his stock is plumetting, also Rams should be picking Iupati in the 2nd. Overall I like the logic for most picks
A couple of misses
Golden Tate is a first round talent. Also the 49ers will take an OT in the first round.
Actuall wouldn't mind picking lupati in the second round but I think the lions wou
Actuall wouldn’t mind picking lupati in the second round but I think the lions would trade some picks to swap us because everyone is saying that they are in love with this guy and also I agree if we are going to take a QB I really hope we trade down a couple spots if possible.
I keep hearing...
good things about Iupati. There would be worse things to have then the guy a lot of people are calling the best overall offensive lineman in the draft. But like you said, any trade downs to get more picks would be a good thing for the Rams. We just have so many positions to fill…if only we had 9 first round draft picks (Suh, Bradford, Spiller, Weatherspoon, Okung, Iupati, Tate, Bryant, and Haden). We couldn’t afford to sign them all, but we could draft them :)
Iupati
is beeing called the best INTERIOR linemen in the league, I don’t know about the best overall OL though. Okung has shown dominance and consistency for 2 years now.
Just keep in mind
Detroit wanted an OT more than anything with the #1 pick. Never doubt the power of the media…
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
dont over state the power of the media also though
I think if the media had a big pull on the Rams’ draft we would not have taken Smith over Curry, Avery as the 1st overall WR, Laurinitus over Malaluga (sp).
It is milk it may be spilled it may be delicious.
the only one of those I buy honestly is the last
The Aaron Curry pull wasn’t that big nationally. The two big stories of that draft going in were Stafford and Crabtree. Avery, while not the consensus top WR, wasn’t a huge stretch. Hell, he was the 1st WR taken in the draft and that was round 2.
Now the Laurinaitis pick did take some integrity. Very few people believed he would go before Maualuga.
Keep in mind, the media rarely has an effect on the Rams because we’re not a draw. Being #1 overall in the draft, though, forces them to give us some credence.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jan 29, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
I believe Suh is good....
but not worth a million no’s. Face it friend, if we DON’T get a QB in free agency we are up shit’s creek without a paddle if we don’t draft one ‘cause we got nuttin’ in the way of a quarterback to lead the Rams through 16 games next year. It’ll get very ugly and very bloody!
However, having said all that, if the Rams do plan on going after a QB and they don’t have plans to take Suh with their number 1 overall pick then by all means, trade down and get extra picks. There should be a few good QBs later on in the 1st round. A QB as our 1st overall selection is a REACH. None of them out there are good enough for that in MHO.
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
We need Suh, but
This the only scenario that I would feel comfortable taking a QB first overall, IF (big if), Bradford heals up completely. If he can show to the whole world that his shoulder is good to go, then that’s great.
I still believe in building your foundation on the line, but if we pass on Suh then Sam’s the man. He’ll get some beef on his frame at the next level.
by Brendan W on Jan 29, 2010 11:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions
When I read Walter Football's 4 round mock last night (updated on the 27th)
I started to come to this same conclusion (the one about drafting a QB). WF has the Rams taking Clausen in the 1st, Weatherspoon in the 2nd, and then a DT and a DE in the 3rd and 4th rounds (forgive me, I can’t remember off the top of my head who they were and for some unknown reason, I’m blocked from WF.com at work).
As I read WFs explination, and thought about it as well as looked at the positions being filled, I started to think it wasn’t a bad way to go. We’d still need to sign (or trade for) a veteren QB for this season, but I don’t think I’d be completely heart broken if it went down that way.
Personally, I think drafting a QB in rounds 2 through 5 is a complete waste of a draft pick (probably rds 6 and 7 as well, but down that low, everyone is pretty much a crap shoot). The chances of a non-1st round QB busting is astronomical.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Now that I'm away from my work filters
WF.com mocks the Rams four rounds as follows.
1st Rd. – Jimmy Clausen – QB – Notre Dame
2nd Rd. – Sean Weatherspoon – LB – Missouri
3rd Rd. – Tyson Alualu – DT – California
4th Rd. – Brandon Lang – DE – Troy
The only real issue I have with this is Alualu is projected to play 3-4 DE in the NFL. He’s a bit understized, IMO, to play DT.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
if what andyrose
says is true then i rather throw a lot of money at bradford than suh.
We can’t invest that much money on the dline that probably wont be among the top 15 in sacks or run d with suh
I'm sorry but
I can’t begin to reiterate how stupid it would be for us to just flat out take a QB with the first overall pick, not with a lot of teams drooling all over themselves about Suh.
PLUS this clearly is the best draft for defensive players that I can remember…
We are in a weird position… I personally don’t feel there is a QB worthy of a #1 overall and I think if we do go that route, it would seem like we’re trying to plug all our holes with average players in this years draft alone.
I say draft Suh, who clearly is deserving of a #1 overall pick, pay him, grab Weatherspoon in the second who very well could be sititng there, grab a QB via free agency and call it a day.
While this scenario may not be the cure all for next year, another year down the line and we’ll be extremely grateful we made defense the focus of this year’s draft.
Just my 2 cents.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
I'm in the Suh camp as well
but I don’t see us being able to trade out, and I honestly think the Rams will have a very tough time avoiding a QB at #1 if we haven’t signed someone by the draft.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jan 29, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
if
Bradford and Clausen are the only two QB’s going in the first round, and if Washington is deadset on Smooshyface Jimmy- and if we take Suh at 1, then who else might take Bradford in the first?
Wouldn’t it be worth the gamble to take Suh (the sure thing), then wait it out for Bradford at 33?
by mooseknuckles41 on Jan 29, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
yep
unlikely but if he falls into the early 20’s we could trade our #33 and another pick. Not sure what that would require in this position, maybe our 3rd too? Would that be cosidered too much in a deep draft class? IMO I would be willing to take that risk! Where would we end up in the order if we dealt our 2nd rounder and 3rd rounder????
I wouldn't pull that trigger
until the slot we were targeting came up and he was still there. I really don’t think he’ll fall that far and that deal won’t get us any higher than 25th or so.
Suh is not a "sure thing"
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Kinda the point.
No one is a “sure thing”.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I hear ya 3k
Let’s hope we make the smart choice
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
I need to see
how Bradford comes back from the shoulder injury before I buy into this 3k. He had a heismen year behind the best Offensive line in college football. The next year my skepticism was at an all time high, and rightfully so, the guy is knocked out of each of the two games he played in.
Now, I am a firm believer the rookie QB, should spend a year or 3 behind a veteran. It allows him the best chance to adapt and succeed. Keep in mind that our O-line is a big question mark. What does a rookie LT, a constantly injured OG a quality C, a fill in OG and who knows what happens at RT mean for a rookie QB…do we keep Barron for that and eat the most Off penalties for another year??
I just have a hard time putting a QB in that position. Especially since QB’s demand more money than any position in the draft. So keep in mind that SUH would cost less than Bradford at if drafted in the same position.
This also ruins my dream of drafting Jahvid Best in the 2nd round. I know, I know a back-up RB is not our biggest need.
im just saying
if what andyroses’ fanpost says is true then suh will be commanding more money than stafford in that case i say try your luck with bradford or clausen cuz with long’s salary and suh’s salary it would prevent us to fill needs across the board for years to come. I would rather put near 100 mill with bradford than suh who isnt going to nearly impact the game as much as bradford can
Two words
Matthew Stafford
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jan 29, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
Two words for you
Calvin Johnson.
He can make anyone look good.
Stafford got the vrap kicked out of him this year…how much longer before he turns into Bulger.
I didn't say he was good
I was suggesting that drafting a QB after a horrible season as Detroit did (and as I’m mocking the Rams to do) doesn’t have to do with immediate QB success. It has to do with filling, indisputably, the most glorified and scrutinized position on a team – starting QB. Sure, Stafford took his lumps. But the experience he gained this year just by playing as much as he did and the respect he gained from his teammates by taking those lumps will pay dividends in the long run.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jan 29, 2010 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure I agree with all of that
first off, I don’t ever follow what the lions have done in the past…not exactly a very good track record. Although, I did think that drafting Stafford was the right choice with their 1st pick, it was the 2nd pick in the 1st round that I could not believe, they passed on Michael Oher for Pettigrew. They had a crap O-line and they passed on the guy I considered to be the best O-lineman in the draft. They needed to invest to protect that 50 million dollar QB, but instead they let him get get beat to hell.
Now, moving to us, you are mocking us to take a currently injured QB with question marks all over our line….doesn’t seem like a good idea. And trust me I thought Bradford was a good QB, but to committ that much money and not be able to protect him just seems dangerous. No matter how much respect he gains for getting the crap kicked out of him and landing on the sideline.
It shouldn't just "seem" dangerous.
It is dangerous. That’s why fans want to get the defense and offensive line intact before bringing in a rookie QB. Atlanta fans didn’t want to take a QB in the 2008 draft, but Matt Ryan’s been alright despite not having a great pass blocking line. Of course, they’ll probably grab a lineman this draft, but they’re a team in position for success.
As or the Lions, how much more energized is the fan base going into 2010? Sure, they might have been better off in 2009 improving the O-line and trotting out a fat, old version of Daunte Culpepper, but they’d be a year behind in igniting their fan base. Look at Jacksonville – good team, no franchise QB, horrible revenues. Until Favre went to the Vikings, Minnesota was in the same position (which is why the owner is doing his damndest to either get a new stadium or move). I’m not saying getting a QB makes us any better, and I’m not saying we should do it; I’m saying it’s where the momentum pushes teams that suck that need to motivate their fan bases.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jan 30, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
3k you're missing some key details
Atlanta drafted a QB, but knew they had to protect him, so they did what? They traded back into the first and took Sam Baker at 21 overall. They made the investment to protect those big dollars. I agree, they are in a much different scenario and in a better place to succeed presently.
I think you missed my point on Detroit. Like Atlanta, they used their 1st pick on a QB, but unlike Atlanta they didn’t pick up an OT to protect him, consequently Stafford faced a tough year, plagued with injuries. My suggestion was that they should have drafted Oher instead of Pettigrew with that 2nd pick. No where in that equation is there room for Daunte Fatpepper, I never thought that would have been a good idea.
So with that aside, WHO do you think the rams should draft with #1 overall?
You say:
“I’m not saying getting a QB makes us any better, and I’m not saying we should do it; I’m saying it’s where the momentum pushes teams that suck that need to motivate their fan bases.” yet in your mock draft you have us taking a QB. What says you my man?
I'm not mocking who I want us to draft
but the way I think it will play out. As I’ve said, I would like us to take Suh, but if I had to guess what we’re going to do right now, I’m guessing Bradford.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
because tebow
is not a good QB
The House of Spears reigns supreme
by Eric Nagel on Jan 29, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Suh
The Rams should take Suh. They can’t pass up the talent Ndamukong Suh has. Taking a QB first round would end up in a bust.
VTramsFan I agree with you 110%
Suh is the guy to take.
Well 3k, I've got to say I disagree...
…but at least in this scenario, we pick the best QB available. I tried to be a Clausen fan, he has good things going for him, but I just don’t see it. Bradford was a beast of accurate passing and good mobility before he got injured. If his arm checks out, he’ll be seriously considered, and I wouldn’t be angry with the pick.
That said, when you say power of the press, isn’t most of the mainstream media saying we should draft Suh? I mean, only WalterFootball from what I know continues to think we should take a QB (Clausen at that).
Both the ESPN heads think so. McShay thinks Clausen is a late 1st talent, and says we take Suh. Kiper, who has a tendency to nail the #1, think much higher of Clausen/Bradford than McShay does, but still believes we should take Suh. NFL.com mock drafts have Suh @ #1 to St. Louis. As does the mockingthedraft site in their latest mock.
If it were up to me, it’s Suh and an OLB in round 2. I just don’t see Bradford shooting up that high by April, and I definitely don’t see Clausen shoot up that high. Spags/Devaney ignored Kiper’s flat out push for Sanchez last year. If the gap between Suh and Bradford’s talent levels is even higher than the gap between Jason Smith and Mark Sanchez’ talent levels last year, won’t they do the same? It’s not like QB is hands down our biggest need. It might be, but not flat-out. If I had to rate the need level of each, it’d be DT at 9.5 and QB at 9.75.
When it’s that close, but Suh is a 10 point prospect and Bradford is, say, an 8.5, don’t you take Suh? I mean, we’ll see. It can all be entirely flipped over by April. Though I will agree that if it’s a QB, it’s got to be Bradford. Good draft the rest of the way, thanks for not throwing the Trojans under the bus. :)
PS: This is probably what you meant when you said “this might take heat off my mock tomorrow” or something like that in the S-Jax story. I’ll give you props for bravery sir.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Jan 29, 2010 2:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
i agree with you
with so many needs on this team, getting the best talent available seems key to me. its not like drafting a qb will have us challenging for a playoff spot next year anyway.
I'm in the Suh camp as well
but as the media heat turns up the “Rams need a QB” meme, I fully expect the pressure to mount on a sophomore front office/HC combo towards picking a QB of the future. And bear in mind, the media is a fickle bitch who changes her mind and forgets what conveniently would get her in trouble, but remembers what you did years ago as long as it suits her narrative. That being said, the whole “Michael Vick to St. Louis” story is just the first line in what I expect to be a growing story as we approach the draft. If we haven’t signed a veteran who could credibly be named our week 1 starter before the draft, I expect to see/hear/smell more “Rams to take a QB #1 overall” stories coming out of every corner of the footballosphere.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jan 29, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Our sophomore FO
Is already ahead of the medias’ notorious onslaught. One thing they demonstrated last year in the draft was an ability to draft according to their own ideals instead of bowing to outside pressure. I mean, sure, everyone predicted Smith in the first but owning up to the Null pick took the kind of kahonas that will surely get them through this draft as well.
Another problem I have with mocking a QB to us in the first is the arguments for this decision. They are almost all based on historical data connected with either the draft position, the QB position as opposed to the DT position, or success of certain QBs drafted in other rounds as opposed to the first round. These, IMHO, are ‘soft’ arguments, and all should be overridden with a couple of ‘hard’ facts.
1. The probability Suh will be a success as opposed to Bradford or Clausen is larger in the opinions of most analysts, many of which state so right before mocking a QB to us anyway.
2. The probability a talent like either Bradford or Clausen could be found in another draft is pretty high as opposed to finding another Suh.
If you pair these facts with the idea that we need 2-3 off-seasons to get on the right track, which is true, you come up with Suh. I don’t mind hearing these arguments though, because I fully believe in the value of smokescreening.
I seem to remember 3k saying he was gonna get some heat over this
And I still had to pour it on. Sorry, I now realize the difference between what one wants and what one thinks is gonna happen.
I felt obliged myself.
To bring some. I see 3k’s point, but when we’ve brought more heat in a 70 comment blog response than our football team did to opposing teams in 16 games, then something’s gotta change.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
the heat's a good thing
it means we have passion and we’re not settling. You’d be surprised at some of the apathy some communities have
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jan 31, 2010 4:16 AM CST up reply actions
so remind me again
even if it is a mock draft why we take a QB that doesnt know how to fall correctly on a team with a patchwork Offensive line?
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
Because
he knows how to do everything else correctly
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jan 29, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
?
We have the first pick in the 2nd round.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jan 29, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Bradford!?
He’s not going number 1. With throwing shoulder injury and frail body and if that isn’t enough spread offense quarterback, they might nit even be able to throw. If it’s a QB it will be Clausen as some sites have suggested or Suh.
It's early, brother
If Bradford comes out and performs beyond Clausen in the run up to the draft, the memory-deficient media machine will start pumping positive Bradford stories all over the place.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jan 29, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
I know its already a hypothetical thing
But arnt you complicating things when you insert more ifs into the picture? I would think you would go with the best info avalible at the time. Not trying to sound like a dick if it comes off that way.
It is milk it may be spilled it may be delicious.
It doesn't
and I understand what you’re saying, but I’d be surprised if Bradford doesn’t perform well enough to reenergize his stock ahead of the draft. So many “experts” are going off of these guys’ 2009 seasons; Bradford didn’t really even have one.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jan 29, 2010 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
I will give you that...
I just don’t see it, too many questions about him and devaney can’t afford to miss. Remember he still has nightmare’s of Leaf.
Well he's going to have to get over it eventually
No?
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jan 29, 2010 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
Short bust list of recent 1 rounders.........Rams better study
Vernon Gholston
David Carr
Mike Williams
Pacman Jones
Troy Williamson
Matt Leinart
Peter Warrick
Maurice Clarett
JaMarcus Russell
Charles Rogers
Glen Dorsey
Matt Leinart and Glenn Dorsey
There tales haven’t been written yet. Too early to call them busts, especially Dorsey.
The House of Spears reigns supreme
That list doesn't worry anyone.
You just picked 11 players out of the past like 5 years who have busted. In all honesty, the list is longer, but you’re not making a very compelling argument. There are always going to be busts and a lot of them, you can’t predict. Could I have predicted JaMarcus Russell? Yup, But a few on that list you’d have never pegged as a bust.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Rams fans - We will lose next year too!!!!
We are in a major rebuild if you have not figured it out yet. There is no quarterback worth drafting this year for this team unless it is in the 2nd or 3rd round. Even then, I think the qb class is way weak this year. Go defense, defense, defense and some minor offense mixed in (OL & TE).
1st selection = I would be ok with either SUH, McCoy, Berry, Morgan, Bryant or Okung for that matter – trade down???
Not to be critical of Ram's management but .....
please coaches, do consider the impact we can draft at defensive positions in need like OLB and DE and DT!!!
Rams could get 2-3 IMPACT players this year in the first 3 rounds!!!
Nice to have the first selection each and every round!!!
Trade the first pick
Package Jackson and number one pick and just rebuild this team (might get lucky with a Herschel Walker type 5 picks). This teams needs players and RB’s are the easiest to find. Someone will covet Suh, or Clausen, or Bradford this year and the Rams can then build their next dynasty.
Its the NFC west, dude.
we’re 4 players away from the playoffs.
Plus, the number one pick has only been traded 3 times in the last thirty years (01, 97, 84). Not likely.
by mooseknuckles41 on Jan 30, 2010 3:20 AM CST up reply actions
Like the other 3 teams suck so bad
C’mon man, The Rams need impact players at every position less rb. A trade of Jackson for nothing but picks would be a great move imo. His trade value ain’t gonna get any higher. Plus, he would like to get to playoffs himself – so grant him his wish. I never did like his attitude toward Marshal Faulk, So, be gone with Jackson!!!! Obviously, we could not win more than ! GAME WITH HIM. So, stew on it for awhile Rams fans – you’ll come around!
i'd suggest
you familiarize yourself with the research within the posts of one Mr. AmpLee, to discover that in fact- this team isn’t that far away from having a chance.
Warner retiring, and the mix-up in Seattle makes the NFCW playing field even more even.
by mooseknuckles41 on Jan 31, 2010 3:50 AM CST up reply actions
What a gas!
You mean that we will go to the SB with a 5-11 record? Who cares-as long as we do it!
We are undefeated in 2010 so anything is possible.
I understand the media usually screams QB
but honestly I don’t think there is going to be a bigger buzz about us taking a QB… Suh is getting a huge buzz (see Kiper) and if he has a stellar combine (yes he is going to attend, love his attitude here as he said ‘I want to leave no doubt’) then I expect the buzz to grow EVEN MORE.
So the way I see it, it comes down to this:
1) Suh has a piss poor combine, the media starts leaning toward a QB (unlikely)
2) Suh has a GREAT combine, the media builds Suh buzz even more (most likely)
Once again, just my 2 cents. By like George Carlin once said, if you give someone a penny for their thoughts and they give you their 2 cents, what happens to the other penny… something like that.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
Also, the V shape of Kipers hair is slightly pointing to his right...
that means we’ll do the “right” thing and draft Suh.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
I am working on a screenplay
Where pictures of Kiper’s hair are like the Last Supper in the Da Vinci Code. If you can decipher his hair, you can find the lost gold of the AFL…
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
RAMS DRAFT 2010
Trade down to get more draft picks. Bradford is already damaged and we need 4 or 5 players not 1 good one. Rams next winning season 2012, maybe. they still need a OFFENSIVE Coordinator, they play calling SUCKS.
by California Mobile CPR on Jan 30, 2010 3:17 PM CST reply actions
clearly
you’re picking the saints in the super bowl.
"Twin-headed infinite swirling vortex of grotesque suckitude known as Tony Clark and Eric Byrnes"
yup
the Brees Breeze
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jan 30, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
How Will Bradford's Stock Rise Before The Draft
when he wont even throw a ball until just before the draft because of his injury?………Rams won’t use a #1 pick on player that just started throwing the ball again, a couple of weeks before the draft………..
Jake Locker in 2011

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