Press pitches Brandon Marshall to the Rams trade scenario
by Ryan Van Bibber on Jan 25, 2010 4:06 PM CST
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PrintIs it rumor season already? It must be. The Super Bowl is yet to be played but we've already got the St. Louis Rams involved in all kinds of trade rumors. Earlier this month it was Michael Vick. Today, it's Broncos WR Brandon Marshall. This isn't really a trade rumor; it's Denver Post columnist Dave Krieger tossing out a few options for the likelihood of Josh McDaniels trading another offensive playmaker with whom he doesn't see eye to eye.
Here's Krieger with his possibility for the Rams:
Marshall and the first-round pick from the Bears (No. 10 or 11) to the Rams for the first overall pick (which the Broncos use to select defensive tackle Ndamu- kong Suh) if Pat Bowlen can afford a first overall pick's contract.
That's not a bad little scenario for the Rams. A few factors to think about here.
- For a franchise needing to generate revenue, they get a proven playmaker at a position of need in Marshall and still get a top pick in the draft...a pick that would sign a contract much small than the kind of contract a first overall pick would sign. Matt Stafford signed a six-year, $72 million contract with more than $41 million in gauranteed money. Bills DE Aaron Maybin, the eleventh overall pick, signed a five-year, $17.5 million contract with $15 million guaranteed. Even Michael Crabtree, the tenth pick, only got $17 million in guaranteed money. Big difference just a few spots down, huh.
- Marshall is likely to be a restricted free agent, in the likelihood of a capless year. Trading him would mean that the Rams would almost certainly have to hammer out a new contract with him or risk pissing off the already touchy Marshall. How much could that be? The Cowboys gave Roy Williams $26 million in guaranteed money. Still, together, the guaranteed money for a Marshall contract and a 10 or 11th pick in the draft would still be less than what the team would pay for the first overall pick...and represent more certainty than giving that kind of money to a player who has never played a single NFL snap.
- Who would the Rams draft at 10 or 11? It certainly puts a QB in play for the team and plenty of other players.
- Attitude. It's still important to weigh how Marshall's personality would play in Spagnuolo's locker room. GM Billy Devaney has said that the team has more flexibility with players outside of the "four pillars" than they did for 2009, when they needed to establish the Rams' new identity. We covered this in an earlier post about Marshall. Then again, Marshall's a receiver, so you have to expect a little of the diva routine.
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Brandon Marshall and CJ Spiller
I like..
Try and snag Aaron Kampman and then Sean Weatherspoon in round two…
I like quite a bit.
The House of Spears reigns supreme
Took the words right out of my mouth.
If you can’t snag Kampman in FA then go Everson Griffen at DE.
I think he is a gifted athlete.
He went to HS near me and he made a lot of headlines. I have kept my eye on him and think he would fit our system nicely and quite a good pick-up if we can get him in rnd 2. lol, would be great if he produced like JL did for us this year…yikes for opposing teams!
Weatherspoon would be a great pick as well. Difficult to decide between the two tho.
That's a very intriguing trade scenario
Something to chew on for a while. At first I was like, ’hell no!" then I thought about it for like 3 seconds and I started to like it.
Hmmmmm…..
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
throw another pick in
and im game! Marshall is a stud for sure, but just dont like the guy in general with his history with abuse to women.
Absolutely
The amount of money saved for picking #10/11 + Marshall > Suh + his fat contract. Plus, that level of pick would most definitely bring a QB into play at the right price. Even if Marshall doesn’t pan out and Suh is the second coming of Warren Sapp, the Rams have a great pick at a much cheaper price and took a chance with an established player in a position of need.
I accept this trade in a heartbeat.
Would I trade Suh for Marshall and a rookie QB
Even though a #10-11 would be less money, Marshall will surely want a pretty penny, not to mention his baggage.
It’s something to think about I donno… seems every free agent stud we bring in loses all their fire.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
Would be nice to have some 'incentive base' in his contract
The more you produce the more you make $$$. Like VTrF said, look at the last few FA’s we paid big money to, only to have them be busts [cough*DrewBennett*cough]. I know, it’s all about that guaranteed money; they want as much as they can get!
Also, please tell me
is Marshall really a game changer? someone chime in and tell me what he has accomplishes to give a number one pick for.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
he had what
the record breaking 22 catch game
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
Not bad stats...
I was serious when I asked BTW, I really don’t know him that well
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
I don't know that much
But i do know he’s a consistent performer and is quite less of a risk then a rookie WR.
The House of Spears reigns supreme
think about him with Robinson and Avery
as you top three WRs. it would be a huge help to those guys
Turf Show Times
by Ryan Van Bibber on Jan 25, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
i knew it was somewhere
around that it was a guess hard to read emotion on the internet :)
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
Yes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPINVd9zBko
He is a game changer.
+1000
If you get him, you’ll love him. Despite what you may have heard, B-Marsh is an extremely nice guy who plays all out with his whole heart. The 22-catch game against Indy was a great example. Denver was three scores back but Marshall fought harder than anyone else on our team to get us back into contention. (With a little ball control, we would have w… well, I’m not sure I’d go that far. lol)
There certainly may be something to the idea that he was playing his heart out to get paid, but I’ve never seen anything out of him to think that he wouldn’t go all out for the rest of his career to try to become the best ever at the position. His mentors, Rod Smith and Shannon Sharpe, mean the world to him. He has the potential, and he has grown substantially, imho. I envy any team that benefits from a mature Brandon Marshall.
That said, I hope we don’t trade him at all. But if we do, it would be great to see him playing for the Rams!
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jan 27, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Marshall
is a consistent possession receiver with game changing ability, a really good route runner, physical with good speed, plus since 2007-2008 he has had over 100 receptions every year. My only problem with the trade is that it sounds like denver is getting off easy the trade should include marshall, a first, second, and a fourth for our first
No.
If they want to make the trade, I want both #1 picks at least , not one or the other. Remember, he is a headache to them and the WANT to get rid of him. Make ’em pay for the privilege.
Also, given his personality, does he fit Spags’ four pillars philosophy? I guess I’ve tired of the Terrell Owens, Roy Williams, Ochocinco, crap. Give me a team player.
I guess I’d rather have Suh. I feel the cream of this year’s draft does not extend down to the 10 or 11 spot in the draft.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)
he was a headache to McDaniels
but for some reason I would side with him more then not.
The House of Spears reigns supreme
I don't do this deal....
From all accounts the team atmosphere this season was good and something to build on. Why insert a poison pill and then reward him with a ton of loot?
In the draft you take the best player available. That is Suh. The odds of him being a difference maker on D are quite high. He helps you get better return on investment from the likes of Chris Long and even Ron Bartell.
I am not saying this team doesn’t need an upgrade at WR but like someone else mentioned I want AT LEAST the two first round picks to make this move. You can find WR help a lot more easily then defensive line help.
Dave "Howland" Randell
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Jan 25, 2010 6:41 PM CST reply actions
If this trade does get done
I don’t want to hear anything more about the pillars. It’s almost sounding good to meif only for that reason.
We're gonna end up giving away the best potential defensive player of the next decade.
Yessir. If there’s any way possible the Rams will screw it up. Heck, let’s go all out and get Jason Campbell to throw to Marshall. Meanwhile, we’ll still have no D-Line and be giving up another 450 points next season.
those are pretty high expectations
and remember, there are lots of good DTs in this draft. Are they as good as Suh? No, except for maybe McCoy, but there are lots of effective D-lines without a player of the decade at DT or DE
Turf Show Times
by Ryan Van Bibber on Jan 25, 2010 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
When I first became a Rams fan...
…they were known for their formidable D-Line, and I liked it that way. We need another Deacon Jones, Merlin Olsen, Rosey Grier, Jack Youngblood, Diron Talbert, or Fred Dryer type. A single stellar player, e.g. Lawrence Taylor, can have a tremendous impact on the whole team. Right now we’ve got too many poor, fair and mediocre players. We need Suh with the 1st pick and then an OLB with the 2nd pick to provide Lauranitis some help. Then, if everybody’s favorite player from the 2008 draft comes around, we should have a semblance of a defense. We cannot draft a QB this year. We’ll have to try to make do with a Vick, Pennington, Campbell type or my 1st choice which would be Quinn. I load up all those 4-7 rounds draft picks for 2010 and 2011 and trade ‘em for some proven NFL players. We’d just waste ’em anyway picking dufusses like Null and Obog.
His attitude sucks....
…but that trade would be great. But the big question is would he cause problem in the locker room by going against Spags? I mean, the Rams should be able to keep him happy by all the passes he would get his way. But at 10/11 we could I guess take a QB…..
But we need defense. If the Rams are to trade the #1 away then they best get a kings ransom for it.
My ROFLcopter goes soi soi soi soi soi soi soi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pkAFR-7c-c
HELL NO!!!
Marshall for the Rams pick and our 1st roudn pick is plain idiotic. Why pay for an umproven player when you got a proven player in front of you already. Suh’s contract would cost A LOT more than the contract Marshall wants. Also why would the Broncos give up their pick and Marshall for just 1 EXPENSIVE pick?? This is the dumbest idea EVER!!!!
The Broncos would be better of trading Marshall for 1 1st round pick and then trading that pick for more picks.
I dont remember Marshall being a distraction during the season even when he was benched for the first few games of the season. McD made a public statement that he was benching Marshall and Scheffler for the season finale. Marshall did not report to the media telling everyone he was benched.
To the person who asked if he really is a game changer heres a few. He caught a TD againts the Cowboys to win the game. He had 2 1 handed catches againts the Giants. he holds the record for most catches in a game with 22 cathces. He also is placed 3rd in most cathches in a game with 18. He has had 3 consecutive years with over 100 catches and over 1,000 receiving yards. He only started 13 games in 09 and still managed to catch 101 and had over 1,000 yards with 10 TD’s in a new system with an average QB.
This guy is a playmaker
by Cali_BroncosFan on Jan 25, 2010 8:14 PM CST reply actions
At this point....
its more of an attitude problem. Marshall is fantastic. That has been proven. But would he snip the seams of locker room chemistry and respect the players have for Spags? That said. Marshall, Avery, Gibson, S-Jax and a good line is a very tantalizing thought. Who would QB it though? That is the question.
My ROFLcopter goes soi soi soi soi soi soi soi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pkAFR-7c-c
by AbsolutMoose on Jan 25, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
ALSO.....
The Broncos do need a NT but there are high caliber NT in free agency this year. Here’s a few, Casey Hampton(Steelers), Rya Pickett(Packers), Aubrayo Franklin(49ers), Tony Brown(Titans). All of these players were a part of a team that played well againts the run. Steeler 3rd, Packers 1st, 49ers 6th and the Titans were 11th.
by Cali_BroncosFan on Jan 25, 2010 8:26 PM CST reply actions
add a third rounder to sweeten the deal
With Marshall’s uncertainty, we would risk losing the top pick (Suh) for someone who may not wish to stick around anyway.
WOW
I just noticed most of you are Rams fans lol. Thats why you all would love this pick but trust me the Broncos orginization aint stupid. Keep wishing this aint going to happen. 1 of you even a 3rd to sweeten the deal LMFAO. So you guys want Marshall(pro bow player), our 1st round pick(preety high pick), and a 3rd and you would give us your pick so we can get Suh? LMFAO!!!!
Let me ask you guys this would you trade your best player for what you guys are offering?
by Cali_BroncosFan on Jan 25, 2010 8:31 PM CST reply actions
i was actually
thinking our first for Marshall and Dumervil I think thats the fairest deal. And yes this is a ram forum so their are going to be a decent amount of ram fans.
R.I.P Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan
by keeperskillz24 on Jan 25, 2010 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
That won't happen.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 27, 2010 8:32 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe becuse this is TurfShowTimes?
I wouldn’t say never… Suh is a major pick… I could see you guys trading a PIA for the top rated DT to come out in the draft in a couple decades.
I honestly hope we don’t
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
We're actually looking to trade down, not up. Ideally, we would drop to the late first round or early second and take Iupati or Pouncey.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 27, 2010 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
"I just noticed most of you are Rams fans lol."
Really?
What gave it away? Maybe because this is a Rams blog? I guess higher levels of awareness aren’t required for being a Donkey fan.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I guess higher levels of awareness aren’t required for being a Donkey fan.
Hey, come on now, give some of us smarter Donkeys fans a break. ;)
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 27, 2010 8:04 AM CST up reply actions
request for "a break" granted.
No hard feelings. I was just pokin’ fun.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
No hard feelings at all...
That guy kinda deserved it, honestly, but not all Broncos fans think antagonising the members of other teams’ blog is a fun way to spend their evening.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 28, 2010 1:52 AM CST up reply actions
If they do end up doing this trade
and the rams play like the rams we’ve seen the past three seasons, then we will probably see a really mad Brandon Marshall wanting out of St. Louis.
funny stuff in here
now you also want Dumervil a pro bowl player. LMFAO!!!! and you would give us your 1st round pick to draft Suh an uproven player.LMFAO!!! he may have bee GREAT in college but that doesnt garauntee he will in the NFL. remeber Sedrick Ellis?? Glenn Dorsey how did they turn out???
by Cali_BroncosFan on Jan 25, 2010 8:47 PM CST reply actions
I don't know if he wanted your first round pick as well
But either way it is not fair. We are all really high on Suh because he will likely be our draft pick, but I think some people around here are getting a little carried away with just how good he is. He’s definitely not better than Dumervil and Marshall combined, and especially not if we still get your first rounder.
Me as in Josh Elliott
yes would like Dumervil as well. Is it realistic No but can’t a guy dream?
R.I.P Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan
by keeperskillz24 on Jan 25, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
This probably isn't a fair trade and won't happen
But I’d love to see it happen. I seriously doubt the Broncos would do this. It is Suh for Marshall and a first rounder. That doesn’t seem fair at all for the Broncos.
You have to take into account the relationship
of that player and the organization. Marshall did put his coach on blast in front of the media…“he never played at this level, how does he know what a player can play through and what they can’t”
Can’t imagine McDaniels really appreciated that. He may be desperate for getting him out of there, that he would be willing to accept something less than what he is worth. Either way, I’m not sure Marshall would be a good fit for us. Its amazing when you are winning how all things are fine and dandie, yet when you are losing like our Rams, you may have an entirely different person. How would our young group of players be able to handle and react to an obnoxious distraction, breeding defiance through a locker room. Don’t get me wrong Marshall is a beast. A redzone menace for defenses. I would love to have his production, but whats to prevent him from getting his 4 misdemeanor and tearing apart a locker room that is still very shapable.
You won't get him for peanuts.
Despite the relationship, it will still be a bidding war because other teams have already shown interest (Baltimore, Miami, etc). So, if you think you’ll get a discount for him because of the relationship between he and McDaniels, you are mistaken.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Why has nobody made a live-action game of Chutes and Ladders? I'd be first in line.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 27, 2010 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
Actually, that is fair value.....especially if the Broncos take a QB instead.
Clausen or even Bradford [if he checks out okay] would be much better long term value for the Broncos.
The Rams end up with a WR that won’t have anyone who can throw him the ball and someone like Brian Price DT, Derrick Morgan DE, CJ Spiller RB/KR, Rolando McClain MLB, Campbell/Davis OT, Earl Thomas S, or Warren/Robinson CB.
You apparently don’t need [or have recently drafted very early] a DT or DE or MLB or OT and the Safety/CBs are a reach at #10. Which leaves you with Spiller. That works as he will only take carries away from one of the top three RBs in the league. He would complement Jackson very well so maybe it will be okay.
my bad
i know your guys are just having fun dreams my bad if i offended you it was just funny. i also dream like that every offseason. this year im hoping my broncos to sign Vince Wilfork but i highly doubt that would happen.
by Cali_BroncosFan on Jan 25, 2010 9:15 PM CST reply actions
McDaniels-Marshall
what better way is there for McDaniels to stick it to Marshall than to trade him to a 1-15 team?LoL…………….I can hear it now……..“you dont like my team? try this team”…………anyway, probably won’t happen
Jake Locker in 2011
The best option? Tradeage-a-trois
A three way deal that sends the #1 to the Broncos, Marshall somewhere else, and we get a stockpile of picks. You avoid the fiscal suckery that is a #1 pick and keep Brandon out of the locker room where he, like his incredible-on-the-field, horrible-teammate predecessor Terrell Owens, will ultimately drag down whatever team he goes to.
Plus, you can still get a solid DT; this year is stacked with very good defensive linemen in the top 2 rounds.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
I'm just worried about the drop off talent wise
As an example, would you rather have Suh or Jimmy Kennedy and Anthony Hargrove. I’m not a big fan of a stockpile of picks… post later round picks end up riding pine or traded… see Null, Ogbannaya.
Let’s just get our guy and call it a day.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
The stockpile of picks only works if you draft quality players.
We’re in the same boat as Jimmy Johnson was in during 90 when he took over the Cowboys: too many holes to fill. He traded Walker to the Vikes & the Cowboys ended up being one of the best teams of the 90’s. They drafted Aikman, E. Smith, D. Woodson and a few other players. I’d pass on Suh if we could draft that talent.
Without talking too much trash...
Don’t get your hopes up for anything similar to this scenario. Denver will get a 1st + 3rd AT LEAST for Marshall or he won’t be traded. It will be a cold day in hades when Kreger’s scenario actually happens.
It makes no sense whatsoever.
And yes, Brandon Marshall is that good. He is one of the best 5 WRs playing the game right now easily. I’m bummed that we probably won’t keep him, but I think it is best for him and for the Broncos that he goes somewhere else. But he won’t be given away.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
yeah
I can’t see denver just letting him go that easy. The number one spot is a big deal that is going to involve a great player and your first round spot. I think Denver is going to look at a team that has a stock pile of receivers and get a good one out of the bunch along with a 3rd round pick or trade for a good NT with him and get some additional picks.
R.I.P Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan
by keeperskillz24 on Jan 26, 2010 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
Or a good guard/center.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 27, 2010 8:10 AM CST up reply actions
I can see this too
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
I can see that happening
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
No disrespect to you Rams fans
But this trade scenario doesn’t make sense for the Broncos if only because none of the top players they’d take are worth a #1 pick. Suh and McCoy are both 4-3 DTs, not NTs. In the 3-4 that the Broncos run, they’d be DEs, which isn’t a pressing need right now. They’re set at QB (contrary to popular opinion) and both LT and RT. Of the players they’d go after (Eric Berry, Rolando McClain, Dez Bryant, Joe Haden), only McClain would be worth taking a flyer on for top-5 money, let alone the #1 overall pick.
That’s not even taking into account that the minimum going rate for Marshall would be a 1st- and 3rd-round pick, per the RFA tender that Denver will most likely offer. To get the #12 pick in return would only further steepen the return package.
Still, it’s fun to dream. We’ve all been there.
"I'm a Michigan Wolverine, which means I'm the only one who watches 'Rudy' hoping he pulls a hamstring or pops a quad." - Rich Eisen
Never going to happen!
This is a dream trade for the RAMS. Not the Broncos!
If you watch how the Patriots operate on draft day, and the way McD drafted last year, this will never happen. Why trade an asset like Marshall and a cheaper 1st rounder for a $100 million dollar man who may or may not pan out? Pat won’t spend that kind of money because McD won’t ask him to.
I would even consider
Possibly working with Tampa Bay, at the tird pick, who also needs a reciever, and offer Marshall and the 10th pick for the opportunity to draft McCoy from Oaklahoma, because 1. It would be less (albiet not alot but still less) in upfront contract money for the third pick instead of the first, and I believe that McCoy has as much if not more upside than Suh. Just my opionion
There is a possibility
that this could happen and I actually thought of this scenario a long time ago. There are a few revisions I have made to this plan since I first came up with it. First, the trade would not take place until after the Broncos selection occurs. Then if a QB S.L. is interested in is available the Broncos take him with their pick and the trade is made after(like the Rivers for Manning trade). Second, the trade would be a swap of 1st and 2nd round picks for Marshall and Scheffler.
"Just trying to win a MF game."
As A Broncos Fan...
I’d much rather trade Marshall to you guys for your 2nd and 3rd round picks (plus maybe an interesting player) than use him to swap our first rounders…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
Is it just me?
WOW this trade is steep and in no way favourable to the Broncos?
Swap No1’s and give the Rams what would be by far the best receiver in the draft?
This is to Krieger and not th Ram fans! This is never going to happen!
Denver have too many holes to fill which they can’t fill them with whats on offer in free agency. It has to be done in the draft. If they were a player short of a shot to the Super Bowl then maybe. However they need OL, DL, ILB, WR and CB help.
Personally I think Marshall will be traded and if the Rams want him it will be straight up with maybe a 4th or 6th Round Draft pick! Knowbody wants the 1st overall pick anymore but the type of deal I’ve muted might entice the Broncos!
The Broncos if they do trade will tender Marshall the highest they can will can look to receive a 1st & 3rd round pick.
There’s too much interest from other teams in the player expecially when you look at how little there is on offer in free agency.
I think Denver holds all the cards and don’t understand why people think they’re at a disadvantage!
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