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He's Suh Good - How Can We Pass Him Up?


I just read KC Joyner's review from 12/1 on Suh... here is a snippet about Suh on pass plays:

"As lights out as his run totals were, it was his consistent impact against the pass that stood out the most. To get a sense of just how great Suh was here, consider the splash play totals of the two other defensive tackles covered in the Draft Lab series up to this point (splash plays being defined as when a defender does something to negatively impact a passing play). Gerald McCoy had 10 splash plays in five games and Marvin Austin had three splash plays in five games; both ended up getting TFS Draft Lab seals of approval.

Suh had 25 splash plays in his six games, or double the combined total of McCoy and Austin over a 10-game period. As insanely impressive as the overall total is, what was most amazing was Suh's per game consistency in this metric. He posted three splash plays against Texas Tech, four against Iowa State, five against Oklahoma, two against Kansas, five against Kansas State and six against Colorado.

The overall splash play numbers are great, but it also worth noting that ten of them came against some form of a double or triple team."

His stats against the run were ridiculous as well...

"To illustrate the specifics, let's start with running game. The fifty runs directed at Suh's Point of Attack (POA) gained a meager 116 yards, or only 2.3 yards per attempt. That is impressive enough -- but Suh also won 18 of the POA blocks. That equates to an outstanding 35.3% POA win rate overall, but it gets even better when the 23 double-team blocks are taken out of the equation. Suh won 14 of 32 POA blocks when single teamed, which equates to a ridiculously high 43.8% one-on-one POA win rate.

It didn't even matter what kind of run teams directed at him. He won seven of the nineteen slant play POA blocks and six of the fifteen counter play POA blocks. Iowa State got the bright idea to try to trap him but he won two of the four trap POA blocks and the Cyclones ended up gaining only four yards on those runs."

My god let's draft this guy... I think the chances of him being a bust would be the same as a one legged man winning a butt kicking contest.

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You know I agree with you Vt...

…there will definitely be pressure to draft a QB, but this staff seems to be immune to drafting emotionally.

I love this video of Suh by the way. It’s about a 10 minute clip that shows extended highlights/lowlights. What I love the most about him is that even if he doesn’t make the sack or the tackle, he impacts almost every play. His intelligence is underrated if you ask me. The guy knows when he isn’t going to be able to get to the QB, so he does other things like put his hands up to bat balls or reposition himself to try to make a tackle on an RB.

Another thing that should be mentioned more is the fact that, as strong as he is at the POA, it’s almost more impressive how well he uses his hands and quick feet to beat blockers. That’s why when people say “he won’t be able to bull rush people in the NFL because everyone is strong,” I wonder if they’ve watched him play. I know he won’t bullrush everyone, but it’s his quick feet more than anything that help him get the initial position he wants, and then his hand usage allows him to rip whoever is blocking him off. It’s really impressive, and I just think he can’t bust. At worst he’d be a 2-3 time Pro-Bowl player based on the tape. At best, well, I just don’t quite see a ceiling. That’s scary.

"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."

"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."

-Kobe Bryant

A mantra for all athletes.

by TrojanRam on Jan 21, 2010 2:23 AM CST reply actions  

Yes Trojan

He also blocked a couple field goals and an XP… later in the assessment he went on to say that Suh really should have won the Heisman.. scary.

I’ve said this a million times already, but passing on Suh for a QB would be likened to not drafting Shaq because we needed a point guard.

I reall, really hope we don’t screw this up.

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on Jan 21, 2010 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I remember all the Reggie Bush hype

everyone was soooo enamored with him and when Houston drafted Mario Williams it cost Casserly his job but when looking at the situation now we see that Houston made the right decision. Williams is a beast and Bush shows up every third game. We as fans get all worked up sometimes for one player or another and forget that there is a reason we make our living doing whatever it is that we do and the guys in the dreaft room make theirs by Football. They know more and sometimes they get it wrong but they get it right more than we do. I agree this staff wont draft emotionally, I just hope they dont get emotional about Suh, and look at every possible scenario to better our team. If Suh is their guy then fine but if he isnt and they grab Bradford, then so be it….we do need a QB as well lets not forget that. Lets not overstate what we know in comparison to the boys actually doing the work.

by Propayne on Jan 21, 2010 12:07 PM CST reply actions  

If we're not drafting Suh

and don’t feel like he’s our guy, we damn better get some picks and trade down versus just flat our taking someone else. He is that talented and has enough buzz to do that.

We can “screw up” in other ways most certainly.

I’m not saying I know more, but only an idiot doesn’t realize Suh has some value to us, whether as a player or a bargaining chip.

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on Jan 21, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm impressed

by his awareness of where the ball is. I would almost draft him just for that. I’ve spent too much time watching a defense that doesn’t appear to know what’s going on.

Granted, those are highlights (very few lowlights). I did see one play where he was totally taken out of the play. Not many others.

THIS year's the year. I hope....

by thisguy on Jan 21, 2010 1:12 PM CST reply actions  

The only way we don't draft

SUH, IMO, is if we drop down and pick up draft picks. We have so many needs that is a viable option IMO. Of course hindsight is 20/20 and it would suck if we passed on Suh only to have him be the next coming of Sapp. Very difficult decision… but easy if nobody wants to trade up to the #1 spot.

by RamsFan1979 on Jan 21, 2010 1:14 PM CST reply actions  

My sentiments exactly.

We have so many needs that to me it just doesn’t make any sense to NOT draft ‘best player available’ since who ever we would draft will probably ‘fill’ a hole, lol

And yes, based on what I just said I would go along with trading down for extra picks BUT I wouldn’t trade too far down.

Go Rams!

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s

by Nbr1RamFan on Jan 21, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Great post, VT!

Thanks for sharing ESPN INsider info. I have wanted to read that article for over a month now but I couldn’t.
Here’s the best thing about drafting Suh for a GM, it’s a fail-safe pick. EVERYONE would draft Suh first. If he doesn’t pan out, then so be it. The odds of him are being a bust are extraordinary low.
The Rams, of all teams, should be happy as hell to draft Suh. It might be the only time ever that a #1 pick was a “safe” pick and “homerun” pick at the same time.

by AmpLee on Jan 21, 2010 8:53 PM CST reply actions  

CRAP that was insider info.. i forget sometimes

My apologies Van if that was a no-no… but glad you liked it AmpLee!

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on Jan 21, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Suh is the best available talent at a position we badly need. So why is the first pick even an issue?

But if there’s some way we can f—- it up, the Rams front office and coaches will figure it out. The second pick needs to be an OLB too. Granted we have no offense thanks to prior idiotic moves, but if we can’t improve on a defense that gave up 450 points last season – what’s the point?

by edpjr on Jan 21, 2010 9:58 PM CST reply actions  

Suh is a no brainer

Well said edpjr……….if the Rams don’t pick him they should just close up shop and drop out of the NFL. This team, especially this D, is too bad, to trade down. Being able to trade down is a luxury for teams that have some amount of talent to fall back on. This team has none, not proven anyway.

by Duffy on Jan 23, 2010 11:07 PM CST reply actions  

Can you imagine

if the Colts traded their 1998 #1 pick to get more selections.

Listen, Suh is potentially in that league defensively, and it IS a team need. Let’s not get too greedy and just select the best player available at DT.

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on Jan 24, 2010 8:50 AM CST reply actions  

I guess the point here is

I don’t feel there is a QB worth taking #1 overall. That coupled with the talent of Suh and it being a massive team need.

The only upside would be if we did trade and get more picks as long as they weren’t in later rounds.

I’d rather take Suh and wait another year and potentially have a great team, than trade the pick, get a couple later round average picks and possibly be mediocre for 5 years.

If we try to cure all our ills this draft I have news for you… no way it’s going to happen. Sometimes going too fast can slow you down.

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on Jan 24, 2010 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

The difference between this draft and the 98 draft is simple.

Peyton Manning.

They call me the cloud, because I make it rain.

by srdmad on Jan 24, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone is under the impression that we can fix this thing in one season

        No one thinks Suh isn’t the best player available. There isn’t a realistic scenario where we receive later round average picks in trade. We draft Suh or get one hell of a deal. I realize one hell of a deal isn’t too definitive, but I think we all agree that it involves staying in the top 3 picks and receiving at least another second rounder and a 3rd or 4th.
         Instead of Suh and Hughes, we could have McCoy, Hughes, Graham and a TE like Anthony McCoy Would you not do that? Maybe not, but the choice is not so clear. Especially if the braintrust is dedicated to picking Clausen instead of a DT first pick, much to our chagrin.

by dbcouver on Jan 24, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's my take

I don’t think we need to get one hell of a deal. It all depends on which route we decide to take. There are most likely only three ways we will decide to go:
Scenario 1:
Scenario 1 is we decide to take a DT. This is the most likely and obvious choice right now. Nothing fancy, we just take draft Suh #1 overall.

Scenario 2:
This is the scenario where we are overwhelmed. We either get a major haul for our pick and take BPA with the pick receiver or we keep Suh.

Scenario 3:
This is both my favorite and least favorite option. It is my least favorite option because we don’t get Suh and we go QB. That being said, suppose we decide to draft a QB. Why in the hell would we waste the number one pick on just that. It can have more value. Both Detroit and Tampa Bay have drafted their future QB. So if we picked behind both of them. So what we do is basically start a bidding war between TB and DET. Even if we can only get an additional 7th rounder, there is no reason not to pull the trigger. We still get the same QB we would originally get, but we get a little extra. So take whatever we could get. Taking a QB #1 would just be irresponsible from a football standpoint. Again, this scenario only applies if we are committed to taking a QB. Basically we put the #1 overall pick up for sale, take what we can get from TB or DET, depending on who wants Suh more, and still get the same QB we want.

by Carneros on Jan 24, 2010 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

This idea sounded good to me

        about 2 weeks ago, and still does. Scenario 3 that is. Personally I wouldn’t do it without 1 hell of a deal. That’s what I was referring to. What I would do personally and what we may end up doing is 2 different things though, with my luck.

by dbcouver on Jan 24, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

So

Are you saying even if we are going to draft a QB you wouldn’t do it without one hell of a deal or if we are going to draft Suh it would take one hell of a deal to stop us or both?

by Carneros on Jan 24, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it would take one hell of a deal to get that first pick from me.

        Only because if I still had it when it came up it would absolutely be Suh. I would have to be commanded by my superiors to take anything less than the 3rd overall, 35th overall, and at least a 4th rounder. If I couldn’t get that I’d take Suh.
        So to answer your question… I think I’m saying both, but I’m not sure.

by dbcouver on Jan 24, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Alright

so if we decide that Bradford is our guy would you be willing to trade the number one pick for just TBs 1st and 3rd pick and nothing else?

by Carneros on Jan 25, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

yes.

i would. If “we” decide that Bradford is our guy, then yes, that is a great trade.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Jan 25, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

So if you couldn't even get that

you wouldn’t do it? Say you get just a 5th and 6th rounder. If you are going to take a QB anyway what reason do you have not to do that? If you do not do that you don’t get any additional picks and you still get the same player.

by Carneros on Jan 25, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

If Tampa really wanted to trade up

they would have to give us more than a 5th and 6th. It would be insulting to even offer that little. I think they would have to give us at least one of the 2nds.

by andyrose on Jan 25, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I know we probably would get more than that

But the point is that it makes sense to even get just that because if we don’t then we just have the same player we would get anyway minus some additional draft picks.

by Carneros on Jan 25, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Suh for a 6th or 7th round pick? Be like last year if Detroit traded Bradford to us for Ogbannaya or Null.

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on Jan 26, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

exactly

        If not there are 30 other teams that would be interested.

by dbcouver on Jan 26, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not arguing with the fact that we could and should get more

I’m just arguing the concept that if Spags and Devaney decide to take a QB #1 overall, it would be in our best interest to take whatever we can get for the pick (from TB or DET), no matter how bad the deal may seem, since we are almost guaranteed the QB we want still. And we don’t have the option of 30 other teams because we want the QB in this scenario so TB would be our only real safe bet. Any lower and their’s a risk of not getting Suh or the QB. We should still get the best deal possible, but it wouldn’t have to overwhelming to pull the trigger, just regular whelming.

by Carneros on Jan 26, 2010 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey look

        I want Suh. I don’t want a QB I wouldn’t take a QB. If I had to take a QB I wouldn’t take a QB. Not first. Nopt with the second or third overall pick either. I wouldn’t put myself in the position of having to make that decision. I’m not gonna do it. forget it

by dbcouver on Jan 26, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Why just consider trading with Detroit or Tampa?

The chances are one of the two top QBs would still be there at the fifth or sixth pick in the first round. That would give us a lot more beyond the other team’s first rounder.

by andyrose on Jan 24, 2010 11:04 PM CST reply actions  

Well if we had a QB in mind that we really want Washington might take a QB.

So the only way to be absolutely sure we get the QB we want TB and DET would be the safe bet. If we’re fine with either Clausen or Bradford then we could go to 5th. I wouldn’t risk going to the 6th since Seattle and Washington could both take QBs and screw us out of Clausen, Bradford, and Suh.

by Carneros on Jan 24, 2010 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

True

        If I had to go QB, I wouldn’t go lower than 3rd pick. We absolutely can’t afford to lose Suh and compromise on the #1 QB on our board, whomever that may be.

by dbcouver on Jan 24, 2010 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Mike Mayock is at the Senior Bowl practices and says he thinks McCoy is the better player

for what it’s worth, he also says Suh and McCoy and head and sholders above the rest of the draft class — all positions.

by CoachConnors on Jan 29, 2010 8:08 PM CST reply actions  

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