Is Michael Vick a fit for the Rams offense?
by Ryan Van Bibber on Jan 15, 2010 3:15 PM CST
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PrintMichael Vick to the St. Louis Rams talk is heating up again. It's pretty logical to connect the former Falcon and likely soon-to-be former Eagle to the Rams given their needs and connections between the front office (Devaney to the Falcons and Spagnuolo and Shurmur to the Eagles) and Vick's teams. The Post-Dispatch has a story today covering that ground, noting that the Rams or any team can talk publicly about their interest in Vick since he's still under contract.
This report from the standards-less Bleacher Report jumps right in with the trade talk, even though there has been no trade talk, before paraphrasing the rest of the PD article. So, just to reiterate, there has been no trade talk, that we know of, focused on Michael Vick and the Rams. That's probably just one option the front office will explore. As a matter of fact, the latest from ESPN's Len Pasquarelli says that he's likely to work out a release from the Eagles before March 5.
We'll save a discussion of what the Rams offense would look like with Vick at QB for another post. For now, I have another thought about bringing in Vick to run the offense. At 30-years-old Vick would probably be nothing more than a temporary solution, a guy to keep the seat warm while Devaney and Spagnuolo groom a young QB they find in an upcoming draft or maybe a guy buried behind an incumbent starter right now. The thing I wonder about that, is how the transition or even the need to start another QB should Vick get injured works when that time inevitably comes. Is Vick such a unique player that bringing in a pocket QB, a more typical West Coast kind of player, that it would make the transition difficult?
Personally, I'm betting that the Rams don't bring here Vick for those reasons. Offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur is well versed with the Philadelphia offensive system, one that he would like to emulate in St. Louis. For as much talent as he possesses, Vick doesn't fit as a starting QB in a system that demands accuracy above all else from its passer. and the Rams have been putting together the pieces for that system. Now, they might be interested in Vick as a role player, but that doesn't square with Vick's desire to be a starting QB again. Remember, the wild cat is just one play, not an entire offense.
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I agree, I think Vick could really stunt the progression of our WRs in particular.
Vick would likely mean a very sparse passing game, so there won’t be as many opportunities for the young inexperienced WRs on our team to make play. If we competitive that would be a good thing, as it detracts from a weakness on the team; however, given that the Rams should realistically look at next year as another year of progressing and rebuilding can we really afford to have a running QB for a year.
I still haven't quite figured out whether Ed
really believes Vick would be good for the Rams, or if he just enjoys pushing our buttons and stringing us along.
Glad
Im just glad I dont have to read another post from him and waiting to read the part where he bashes Long. He does post good content it just the Long thing was getting old.
It is milk it may be spilled it may be delicious.
Regarding Chris Long...I just told the truth
Long’s rookie season was unremarkable. And for about the first 10 games this past year he sucked wind. No sacks, no pressure, 1-2 tackles per game, etc. Then, he slowly began to come around and actually make some plays late in the season. And then I gave him some credit for it and hope it carries over to next year. Unlike some folks I’m not gonna praise a guy that doesn’t play well even if he was a 1st round pick and/or Howie’s boy. He makes a mint and he needs to earn it.
Ed firmly believes Vick would be good for us. I've been saying since before the 2009 season.
I don’t get much of a thrill from tweaking people on TST. Although it seems like some folks live for it. I have a lot of radical ideas, but at least I do have some ideas. To me the question is NOT whether Vick is a fit for our current offense. IMHO we have virtually no offense save for SJax Herculean running ability. What kind of real offense scores 10.9 points per game? Maybe it makes people mad to hear it, but we tried to field an offense with three, count ‘em, three dreadful QB’s: Bulger, Boller and Null. Our top receivers are mediocre at best, and I’m talking Avery and Robinson. No Brandon Marshall here. Our TE McMichael can’t block or catch, otherwise he’s ok. SJax has NO credible b/u in the form of Darby or Gado. And, we started out with an O-Line composed of a headcase like Incognito, a LT named Barron who doesn’t give a flyin’ sh*t about winning, a guy named Bell who has failed to meet every expectation, and a talented rookie named Smith that is one head pop away from forced retirement. Then add in an OC and head coach that generally called highly predictable plays and made some of the stupidest decisions I’ve ever seen at critical times. No sir other than Jax, Karney and Brown, we got no reliable offense. And, of course Karney was hurt. So to me Mike Vick is a wild card who might do good things teamed with SJax. And maybe he would freelance a little to make up for some of the chronic dumb play-calling. I say bring in Vick, get a new TE, let Goldberg takeover RT, dump Barron, and hope Laurent Robinson and Jason Smith come back healthy and ready to play. Then make this year one of big defensive acquistions. Get Suh at all costs and draft an OLB with the #2 pick. Surely these two new guys coupled with Long, Lauranitis, Otogwe, Bartell and Butler won’t yield up 450 points in 2010. And maybe Vick and SJax can get our anemic left coast offense up to an average of 17 or more points per game. What’s wrong with this approach???
+1 can't argue ed
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Jan 17, 2010 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Unless Vick is part of the long term solution...
I have to say no… HOWEVER… he could be part of the long term solution by freeing up a draft pick as well.
How that would play into it, I really don’y know.
All I know is, I’m sick of freaking losing every year, and I hope we have people with brains making decisions… and no matter how bleak it seems, it could be worse.
I remember one year a few years ago, Tampa cut a WR who was picked up by another team… then a month later they traded a draft pick for that same player they cut. The cut wasn’t a cap move or anything… they just cut them, and traded to get them back. Everyone was scratching their heads.
Perhaps someone here remembers that.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
I just posted on this subject on another post
Sorry I never saw this until now. This is good though. I will post on Vick no where else, now
Mike Vick a RAM?
HECK NO!
HELL NO!
F@CK NO!
We don’t need any criminals on the team. Let’s try to get some non-criminal/felons an opportunity to play! He isn’t that good!
Let’s don’t support criminals and make them rich again!
SAY NO TO VICK THE PRICK!
I will disown the RAMS if they pick up that AS$ Hole!
by California Mobile CPR on Jan 15, 2010 10:05 PM CST reply actions
He served his time...
I don’t see why people still are angry. He served a standard sentence. His debt has been repaid
I believe in 2010
Some people are mad
I just don’t want Vic because he is just a shell of what he was. If we want a marginal performer, just keep Bulger, and prime up Kull and Rocket Arm Reilly.
Oh I don't want Vick either
But I don’t understand why they still give him shit for his crimes. He went to Jail, served an average sentence, makes a minimum salary for a player, supports and sponsors charities and funds.
It could all be an elaborate act, but it’s quite obvious he’s at least doing something right.
I’m not saying it’s right, but until he does something illegal again, he’s just another law abiding citizen.
I believe in 2010
His treatment of those dogs was absolutely horrific.
I’m an animal lover and it would be very hard for me to cheer for a man who participated in dogfighting and drowning, electrocuting, beating, and otherwise harming defenseless dogs. To me, those actions are depraved and show a profound lack of moral character. Until he proves over a long period of time he is a new man, I want him to have nothing to do with my favorite team.
If you don’t feel that way that’s fine, but there are legitimate reasons for people to still dislike the man.
Nice strawman there.
I actually can’t stand PETA and am a definite carnivore, but way to jump to conclusions. I didn’t realize that disliking senseless animal cruelty made me an “animal cultist.” I always though it was called being a compassionate human being. Funny.
lol
I’ll join you if Vick joins team. I rather have 3 more losing seasons than 1 winning season with Vick.
It most likely wouldn't even be a winning season with Vick
It would be maybe a 1-2 win improvement. So we’re still looking at 3-6 win season with him.
THE RAMS
Their Offensive play calling really SUCKS!
They are so predictable, where is Mike Martz at?
They need a mobile Q.B. that has a brain(not vick) that can pass(not vick)
make good decisions (not vick)
I will say one thing for him though he can run! I guess being a criminal all your life helps with speed, agility and endurance and working out in prison,
The RAMS need another R.B. to compliment JACKSON and a SLOT RECIEVER like (Welker) to help in the passing game.
I am sick of LOSING TOO!
The RAMS Defense wasn’t that bad considering they spent 3 times more minutes on the field then the offense, HELL YEAH THEY WERE TIRED!
ANYBODY OTHER THAN VICK….PLEASE. I HATE TO TURN INTO A 49ER FAN! OR WORSE A RAIDER FAN.
by California Mobile CPR on Jan 15, 2010 10:12 PM CST reply actions
Not defending Vick when I say this.. what he did was sick...
but didn’t Little have a criminal issue DWI / Death?
I realize some wouldn’t welcome Vick with open arms but people who have made mistakes are all over the league… and also on our team.
I am a little surprised at the strength of the NO’s on this post.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
No
There will be players that can contribute way more than he can that early in the draft. There will also be safer picks there. We’re not in a position where we can waste 2nd round picks. McCoy will not be a good NFL QB IMO. Pike would be a better pick, but I’d rather take defense with that pick.
No Colt
Really do not like Colt, and am unsure if he is NFL caliber. Would prefer to get Clausen if available, or even… wait for it… Tebow.
Tebow is a natural born leader, not afraid to call his own number. Much better fit for this offense than Vick.
I would take
Tebow in the 7th round. Maybe. Actually, no- probably not then either.
by mooseknuckles41 on Jan 16, 2010 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
I'd rather have a natural born QB
you can have a natural born leader who’s a punter.
I believe in 2010
But dude!
We need leadership. So that we can pull it out. You know, down the stretch. And in the clutch.
Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
St. Louis vegetarian blog
I don't think the Rams really need a leader
Say what you want about Spags as a HC overall, but I think the players definitely respect him.
Add to that Laurinaitis on defense and SJax on offense and I think we’re ok in that department.
i love using think and definitely in the same sentence
I really should proofread my posts from now on.
I think you definitely could be sure of your thoughts
And say you “definitely think” something.
by BruinHalo on Jan 16, 2010 12:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
"Animal lover or animal cultist that cares more about animals than humans? Down with PETA nonsense! "
Stating that you love dogs doesn’t make someone an “animal cultist”. To all those people that say “he’s served his sentence” well, the penalty isn’t nearly severe enough. In my book, you’d have to be a seriously deranged jackass to commit the crime he did. A person like that ought to be ostracized, not rewarded by being welcomed back in the NFL with open arms, and I for one will never never applaud him or give my allegiance to any team who employs this degenerate.
yep
You hear fans say he deserves another chance. I agree, but why not in europe league or somewhere else.
You guys are the same type that have NO problem with murderers playing in the NFL, just not someone who hurt an "animal."
I used to hunt routinely. I’ve slaughtered all types of animals and enjoyed chowing down on them. I also catch fish and lop their heads off before I fry ’em up in salt, cornmeal and Wesson oil. Another thing, I would NOT hesitate one second to blow the brains out of any mongrel that so much as beared its fangs at me.
Ad Hominem argument
Do you see anywhere where I’ve suggested murderers should be welcome in the NFL? As for blowing “the brains out of any mongrel that so much as beared its fangs at me.”; that’s just perverse. As long as you stay off peoples property, you shouldn’t have a problem with that, should you? As for hunting, fishing, and eating your kill, that’s worlds removed from drowning, and/or anally electrocuting animals because you lost money on them in a blood sport, that’s perverse and inhumane.
fyi. I've had unleashed dogs accost me while I was simply walking through my neighborhood on the road or sidewalk.
Those mongrels, and their owners, regret that now. BTW, do you feel Leonard Little, Ray Lewis and other NFL players with felony records should be ostracized and banned too? Or is it just Vick, who served his time in prison…?
I don't think Little or Lewis should be in the NFL
I also don’t think that the punishment that Vick received was appropriately harsh for the crime he committed. The only reason (I think) that Little got the slap on the wrist he did, was the family of the woman he killed saw $ signs, and that’s just sad. As for Lewis, I really don’t understand how A) He wasn’t found guilty, and B) the NFL had the nerve to make him the defensive MVP, the year after.
The NFL was afraid for its life
That’s funny. “Vote for me, Ray Lewis, or, is Ray Lewis gonna have to cap a fool?”
Draft Suh, McCoy, and bring in Vick
Solid loser, yes. If Clausen was so good, why didn’t he lead his team anywhere? If he can’t lead his team then he should have been a standout player, which he wasn’t. LT was good in college. Remember that? His team may have sucked but he still broke records. You can say how bad Michael Vick is, but he still led his no name team to the national championship game. Even on a Falcons team with no receivers or star offensive linemen, he still rushed for a 1000 yards, and broke records. Clausen couldn’t lead himself out of a wet paper bag and the only record he will break is Brett Favre’s interception mark. We need true talent and leadership, and guess what? Clausen ain’t it!
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
by RamsMan83 on Jan 17, 2010 9:44 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Honestly...
I don’t see many coming out that will give us an immediate impact, nor worth a #1 OVERALL pick. Anyime a QB is brought in in conversation, someone says “nope” “Not him” “overated IMHO” etc etc.
I don’t know if i’ve heard anyone say that about Suh… unless I missed it somewhere?
Please, someone explain why I am wrong if you feel I am.
Bottom line… here’s the facts:
A. Vick + Suh + the extra pick (by not drafting a QB) maybe grab a WR or OLB
OR
B. Clausen (or other QB) + DT by committee (Carriker, Gibson, Ramsey etc)
Quite frankly, I don’t if I would order NFL Sunday Ticket next year if we end up with B.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
OK
Dang it… mention Vick around here people want to shoot you… let’s try this scenario:
A. Kolb + Suh + the extra pick (by not drafting a QB) maybe grab a WR or OLB
OR
B. Clausen (or other QB) + DT by committee (Carriker, Gibson, Ramsey etc)
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
vick? PLEASE NO !
Besides the running that Vick does, Bulger has better stats in the same amount of years that Vick does. I’m sorry but Montana, Elway, Brady, Favre, etc would have so much trouble being the QB of these Rams. In 2006 when Bulger had a decent team he had the 3rd best stats of any QB. Bulger is only 32 and if given a decent team I think he can be better than 50% of the QB’s and I rather have him than Vick. I see nothing special in Vick and hope we don’t get him.
vick... why not
how about you think about this what if the bring vick in and… he actually does good. then you’ll all see by this time next year how much of a great idea it was to bring vick in. just give him a chance let him help train the draft pick QB’s and see what happens
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