Rams team needs
by VanRam on Jan 11, 2010 12:09 PM CST
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We'll be delving neck deep into this as the offseason moves along, but Mocking the Draft has their look at the St. Louis Rams team needs.
It's always interesting to look at how those who don't live and breath Rams look at the team compared to those of us around here who've picked apart every inch of the roster and suffered through 16 games of the 2009 season. MTD has the Rams' top three needs as:
- Quarterback
- Cornerback
- Wide receiver
That's a little different than lots of the discussion around here, where defensive line, particularly defensive tackle, has been though of as one of the team's top needs.They make the point about CB as a need (which it is) as something that could stimulate the pass rush up front. While that would certainly help, I still think the biggest problem with the pass rush is the lack of talent up front. Remember, we had street free agents starting among the front four at various times this season. Guys like C.J. Ah You, LaJuan Ramsey and Gary Gibson may all be useful players, but are they really starting material?
I'm really starting to believe that QB is our biggest team need, but I think there are several means of addressing that need worthy of debate.
Obviously the Rams have lots of needs, making a list like this even harder to put together. Here's how my top three needs would go:
- QB
- DT
- WR
How does your needs list go?
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A QB is a waste this year
If there were better choices, I would be right there with ya! Clausen is not as good as Ryan, Stafford, etc…. It is just a poor qb draft year this go-around.
CB
As long as Bradley Fletcher and Fletcher Bradley can come back strong after his injury I don’t see any reason to have CB that high on our list of needs. However, if he doesn’t come back strong, than it does become a need, maybe not number 2, but definately a need.
Problem is
we probably won’t know whether or not he (they?) can return 100% before the draft.
But I agree CB is not a priority.
WR not an issue for me
List:
QB
DT
OT/OG (Lost Incognito, will probably lose Barron as well)
CB (i really have doubts on if Fletcher can come back…that was a severe injury)
i think your spot on w/ this list jb
but i also read somewhere last week that B.Fletcher was already working out. but now i can’t find that, maybe i just bumped my head.
"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense
my 2 cents
Qb- We need a game manager who can hit his targets and can move around a little bit.
DT/DE- Getting to the quarterback and pluggling holes will help evrey aspect of our defense
WR- Too young and injury prone finding a stable #1 is a must
OLB- James gets isolated too much he needs another playmaker beside him.
OL- I like are depth but with all the injuries I would like to add 1 nfl caliber linemen.
Corner- I like are depth but Bartell needs to move down a spot along with evreyone.
TE- If the right guy is in the market get him but Billy and Daniel have shown glimpses of a nfl tight end so this isn’t the biggest issue on are team.
I guess you could put it in that order. To me It’s all about finding the right guys so if a good player is on the free agency for any position pick him up. Draft by best talent available and before you know it we will be in tip top shape.
R.I.P Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan
by keeperskillz24 on Jan 11, 2010 12:49 PM CST reply actions
Mine goes something like this:
DT – Someone who can command double teams and plug the middle for the anti-run game and be powerful enough to get some pass pressure in there, too. (three guesses as to who I’m pulling for).
OLB – Someone to consistently push in on the round the corner run game and be able to cover the TEs.
RT – We’ve got our franchise LT (assuming he’s not concussed still). We need a good, servicable run-blocking RT.
CB – I’m still not sold on Bartell no matter how good people say he is. No QB is scared to throw his way.
QB – Boller shouldn’t be coming back. Bulger shouldn’t be coming back. We could use a three-way race to find a QB of the future.
Most of the rest of the team is pretty good, and servicable considering what offense we’ve been using. Everybody says we need a WR, but if Robinson and Gibson can run good routes, Amendola can be our possession receiver, and Avery can actually be used to stretch the field, and (knock on wood) they can all remain healthy for the season, I’d just start getting them to build cohesion and consistency with whoever the quarterback is, and we should be in pretty good shape there. Not too worried about TE either, if we keep Bajema and Fells.
THIS year's the year. I hope....
QB
Big time. And I would say WR but not through the draft, free agency would be the key.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 11, 2010 1:09 PM CST reply actions
Off topic but i just had to tell someone..
http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=8091775#post-8091775
I just got called a bigot for speaking “leet” about his post. Hahahaha (for those that don’t know what leet is, its exaggerated internet lingo and shorthand.)
Those forums have literally gone to hell.
This station is now the ultimate power in the universe!
All this talk about taking a QB first
would be like the Colts passing on Peyton for a DT for Andre Wadsworth (obviously Peyton was a better talent than Wadsworth and they had both needs at the time).
We need the best talented player available at a need… DT Suh.
YES we need a QB and YES we need a WR… but we also need dire help on the D-Line and Suh is clearly the best player available at a position of extreme need.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
MTD is mad as a hatter. You're closer except it should be DT, QB, OLB.
We can get the D guys from the draft, especially Suh at number 1. And we can probably pick up Vick as QB for a song….
My comment in the MTD thread listed my team need list:
1.) DT
2.) QB
3.) SLB
4.) #1 WR
5.) TE
6.) WLB
7.) DE
8.) CB
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
Honestly
I don’t think OL will be much of a need. I see one of the two tackle spots (hopefully LT, but who knows!) occupied with J. Smith, then Bell at LG and Brown at C. RG should be an interesting competition, but I think Greco and Setterstrom should be able to duke it out. Who knows about Trautwein or Allen III. Maybe they could compete?
But I think signing a decent RT in free agency would be the best course of action.
I believe in 2010
Barron
I’m telling you, the guy wouldn’t be bad to bring back as a backup given his RFA situation. This is going to be a tough, dry year in free agency w/out the cap and so few guys out there.
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as much as I dont like him
I agree with van. Barron is a good safety net to have I don’t think anyone besides Winston Justice (eagles) is worth signing. But they’re having so many issues with their line so he will likely stay. I think we can live with another season of him he stays relatively healthy and has days where he can really play. For immediate problems I would not put a player to replace Alex Barron. Not saying he should be a ram forever but the dude should stick around one more year.
R.I.P Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan
by keeperskillz24 on Jan 11, 2010 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
OT is 9th on my list
The holes are glaring. I’m ok with Jason Smith at LT and a battle for RT among the guys already on the roster (minus Barron) in camp next year if we spend all our efforts in the draft and free agency addressing those 8.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jan 11, 2010 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Personally, I'd list QB as the top of the list
but I’m personally not sure if, with what’s availble, we could improve that much by adding something. While, on the other hand, we can improve the entire defense by drafting Suh.
Just because a position is our biggest need doesn’t mean we have to fill it with whatever is available especially if by “filling” that need doesn’t really upgrade over what we might already have. It’s a waste of resources so you build around it for the time being.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Spot on Tackle!
Just because we have a need does not mean that we take whatever’s available. Even if the best prospect in the draft is available, that does not necessarily mean that he is a franchise QB.
I equate our position with a guy who just got dumped by his girlfriend. Are we going to be “that guy” who takes the first girl at the dark dingy bar with a glimmer in her eye? Just to wake up the next morning, look at the girl next to him in the light, and chew his own arm off to get away quietly! Or will we wait until something better comes along?
I do think that QB is tied for DT as our #1 need, but the difference in pure talent between Suh and Claussen/Bradford leans to Suh.
by Brendan W on Jan 11, 2010 4:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Worse yet.
You draft that QB in with the 1st overall pick, which means the girl in your analogy is pregnant.
You’re now stuck with her and not only is she going to bleed you dry for years, ruining all your fun, but she’s also going to be a major cock block to the other quality ladies (QBs) you might have had a shot with.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Jan 11, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If you could see me now
Tackle, right now I have tears of pride running down my face. Well said Tackle. Well said.
LMFAO GREAT analogy(s)
BTW hasn’t Bulger been our pregnant lady the last 3 years?
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
indeed
I also hear the reason he got placed on the IR was for maternal leave. You just cant get hit that many times while your pregnant.
R.I.P Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan
by keeperskillz24 on Jan 12, 2010 6:32 AM CST up reply actions
I see it this way.
We married Bulger because on the surface, he was a hottie who had a lot of cash (and he put out, cooked well and did all the little things…). Then once the nuptials were completed, everything changed. He kept a seperate bank account and stopped having sex with us.
So we were stuck in a passion-less relationship with a chick who was starting to show her age. We realized the money was never ours and we’d never really have it, but figured we at least be able to keep up the “extra curriculars”. When those stopped, we were in trouble.
We don’t believe in divorce, but at the same point something had to change…..
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I've been reading here a lot lately---
It seems as the Posting turns to Nuptials, I know a thing or two about long and expensive bindings. I hadn’t ever really related it to my passion for Football, but this series of posting keeps a big smile on my face.
Hire Kyle Turley as a Hitman
He probably hates marc just as much as mike martz. Speaking of him how much do we miss a good right tackle? And can you imagine Incognito and him on the right side that would be the scariest thing on the planet is those 2 good ol boys charging at you while steven jackson goes thru the hole at full speed. Problem is they’d try to fight everybody. I’m just glad he wasn’t on new orleans (Turley) when damione lewis punched that guy in the nuts.
R.I.P Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan
by keeperskillz24 on Jan 12, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Tackle, oh Tackle
OMG I haven’t laughed this hard years!!!!!
by Brendan W on Jan 12, 2010 4:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I usually don't post, just read
but this awe inspiring analogy by the both of you was fantastic. I bet that is why I keep coming back even though the Rams aren’t exactly the best.
The Rams are in the middle
Of an elegant ropadope tactic. Pretty soon all the other teams will grow tired of beating up on the Rams and the Rams will be there to knock them out.
by BruinHalo on Jan 12, 2010 5:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's where i'm at pretty much
we need a QB but Suh has to be drafted
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
B elike passing on Shaq because we needed a point guard..
Doesn’t make sense
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
Hahaha
So instead of saying something is Shaq-tastic can we now say Suhper or Suh-tastic??
by Brendan W on Jan 11, 2010 4:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wee need a DT Suhn
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
I don't know if you meant that to sound like "son" or "soon" (which is how it'd be pronounced)
But we definitely need a D-Tackle SOON (Suhn)!!!!!!
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
yes Suhn (soon) is what I meant LOL but both work!
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
Who cares
I like it!
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
So Suh me
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jan 11, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
Suh will be saying to opposing ball carriers...
“No Suhp (soup) For You!”
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
Needs
1. DT
2a. DE
2b. WR
3. QB
4. LB
5. RT
5. LB
6. RB
7. WR
6.
needs
DT
DE
OT
QB
RB
TE
Let’s put it this way, needs are so numerous the Rams could draft on BPA and still have a great draft class.
You're list looks like mine, so +1
ditto on the BPA…. makes sense we should draft down a few spots and pick up some quality selections.
1. Suh!!!…
2. QB
3. OLB
4. OT
5a. WR
5b. CB
6. DE
7. S
I would love to see Boldin or Breaston in a Rams uniform. There has been alot of talk of Vick possibly coming here. I hope not!!! I would like to see us add offense via free agency to add immediate impact to the offense. We need a huge jumpstart there. The defense is on the verge and Spags can jumpstart that himself. Upgrading the secondary is a must.
okay on topic.
1) WR
2) OL
3) DT
4) CB
Why no QB? The Rams need the foundation of a good line, good receivers and a B average defense before they spend big bucks on a QB. IMHO
My ROFLcopter goes soi soi soi soi soi soi soi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pkAFR-7c-c
Rams needs
1.QB
2.DT
3.WR
4.OT
5.LB
6.CB
7.RB
Needs in terms of what is most important THIS NEXT year...(with examples)
DT - Ndamokong Suh
- RB/KR
-——Jahvid Best
SLB/WLB—— Rod Muckelroy
DE——- Julius Peppers (FA) , Corey Wooten
OG/OT—— Mike Iupati
QB—- McCoy, Leflurverioreuir…whatever
I know we need a #1 WR and a QB pretty bad, but, it’s going to take more than 1 year to rebuild and this draft and FA class don’t have killer options for these specific positions.
LeFevre
I haven’t had the chance to watch any of his games, but it sounds like he’ll be around in 3rd round. I have heard that he needs to work on his accuracy. That’s just what I’ve heard though.
"enough" is the issue
When you’re looking at prospects, “enough” isn’t very good. He makes so many plays with his feet that people overlook the accuracy issue, but bear in mind, once upon a time there was a QB named Kyle Boller…
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Jan 11, 2010 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
He didn't remind me of BNoller at all
But he wasn’t good enough to defend to the hilt either. He’s not a franchise level QB, but maybe a viable back-up. One whom can do more than just hand the ball off in time to avoid a tackle for a loss while our starter finishes recovering from head trauma.
give Spags his DT 1st
1. DT (Suh) N-dominator
2. WR FA / Golden Tate if he falls to 2nd round
3. QB (bigger need than WR) but could get McCoy in 2nd rd if FA WR is the signed or Dan LeFevre in the 3rd round .
Here's My Draft:
If we don’t trade down to stockpile additional picks (which I think they should do) here’s how my draft goes:
1. Ndamukong Suh (DT)
2. Best available offensive tackle (Ciron Black?)
3. Best available quarterback (Dan LeFevoure?)
4. Best available wide reciever (Terrell Hudgins?)
5. Best available center who can also move to guard to bolster the interior offensive line
5b. Best available cornerback
6. Best available outside linebacker
7. Best available running back who can return kicks also.
QB is the BIGGEST need...
but Suh is possibly the best talent in the draft and we do have a need on the DL. However…that being said I understand that the volkswagon (Suh) will run and be really good for you for a long time(maybe; Ryan Pickett anyone?) Im not sure how you pass the opportunty to take the Maserati (Bradford, McCoy, etc. . . ) home for the same price even tho the risk is higher the reward is that much higher as well. That Maserati will get you more trophies (Lombardi) than any volkswagon could.
It wasn't long ago-
The Rams have already been dazzled by the Maserati’s glitter, and we found out that we needed the Tow truck instead. GO SUH.
Do any of you actually watch football...
I despise the gamlour boys as much as anyone, but this is a QB league. Only Brees and Chad Heene are two second round QBs that could even be considered to successful. Go ahead and mention Brady, Warner and Romo being successful late pick (romo and Warner went undrafted), but they are the oddities in the talent scouting. Finding a late round stud in much easier with a postion like DT than QB. Find an Elite QB after round one is like betting the house that pete carroll will be a good NFL head coach…. opps. Like tackle’s pregant lady turning out to be the Octomom and having eight kids. Sure it happens but how often?
Love or hate Clausen and Bradford we need to take one of the of two of them if we want to be build a dynasty. New Coaches equal new quarterbacks in 99% of the franchises in the NFL. Last year dumping Bulger would have cost too much, but now… I will accept the premise that we should wait a year for Locker or Mallett maybe even two year for USC’s Barkley , but we do need an rlite level quaterback soon if we are to become something.
And for those crying that we need WRs, tell me the name of the recievers McNabb had in Philly between TO and Desean Jackson.
Mark my words Suh is elite, but Clausen will wear super bowls rings one day. The only question will be if it is ours or some other team’s victory that earns it.
Needs
1) QB – Clausen (round one)
2) OLB (Rod Muckelroy, Kindle, Weatherspoon or my favorite Edds)
3) Second RB( Anyone in second or third rounds will do)
4) RE (wotten)
5) RT (Sam Young)
6)DT
7)CB
I can't buy it--
Until you could argue that Warner would have had the same results throwing to Fells instead of Fritz, Randy instead of Breston, Gibson instead of Bolin. Make an argument from that, and a lot of posters will take notice. (pardon my stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicky keyboard)
I have enough faith in our
front office that if they chose Clausen first, it’s becuase he’s the BPA. If he is what they want, if you think about it, they have leverage to maybe back up a few spots and grab some extra draft picks. The Suhweepstakes if you will…
Question, why would you have the 6th need as DT? I see it as a much higher need, at least more than O-line.
If only....
My dream scenario would be to have suh to run like a deer and lift like the incredible hulk at the combine. Then we could move from one to third(TB’s slot) and pick up their two second round picks. Any further down and we risk the redskins getting the real prize of the draft…. Clausen.
I am not on the Clausen bandwagon, I am the driving the damn thing.
As to why DT is sixth on my list because of Carriker is a beast and will make a huge impact this coming season either as DT or RE under Spags. More help is always appreciated later in the draft, but we have much bigger holes such as OLB and CB.
by JerseyRamsFan on Jan 12, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Again, QB CLASS SUCKS THIS YEAR!
1. Suh or E. Berry
2. Impacte DE or OLB or CB
3. WR or (1 of the above)
4. OT/OG
5.OLB
6.DE
7.TE
Bulger most likely WILL BE BACK*****
If there is a chance to get a good receiver in the 4th or 5th, then switching slots and going defense is a must. If team decides not to select a receiver, then going for another DE or OLB would be wise (switch #5 or #6 to a OG or OT)
I really like Freddie Barnes – WR (BG)
If we pick Clausen....
I will no longer be a Rams fan. Seriously. Clausen is a TERRIBLE QB that plays for a TERRIBLE school. Notre Lame is the biggest joke in the NCAA. They don’t even play in a conference. They had the easiest schedule by far and Weiss guaranteed 10 wins. Clausen didn’t get 7. Clausen couldn’t lead himself out of a wet paper bag, let alone lead an NFL Franchise. I will have no problem switching teams if we pick Clausen. I rememeber NBC hyped him up and showed him going around recruiting players to come to NOtre Lame to help them win. Where did that get you Clausen? Imagine him going around the Rams locker room trying to inspire his team to win. Sjax39 would look at him and laugh. Draft Suh and make a run at The Real McCoy in the second round. At least he’s a 4 year starter and led his team to a national title game.
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
by RamsMan83 on Jan 12, 2010 2:45 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I have to agree
Jimmy could be a good nfl qb. But I just dont think he’s worth the risk and thiers alot of if’s about him. I find the less If’s thier are in a player the more you should go after him. And Suh really seems to be a dominant player I think he will make a contribution in one way or another. Qb I’m really think we need a vet that knows the west coast system well and a guy like colt mccoy to develop behind that. But a quarterback cant do it alone we need to add weapons for him to throw too. And Next year for quarterback I would like to see a qb singed from free agency or acquired through trade (jason cambell, Mcnabb, etc) Marc Bulger, keith Null, and colt mccoy (or qb drafted in the top 4 rounds)
R.I.P Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan
by keeperskillz24 on Jan 12, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
think about this.
we have the number 2 rated running back the number 2!!! if hes doing this with a shitty line imagine what he could do with an OL that was worth a damn we have a quarter back take null out and put boller in its not this fucking hard and we also nee a bit better defense we cant stop shittt. and thats a problemwe have recievers there just hurt and should be ready by next season we need a new OL and a new DL
My List of the Rams Needs
If I could fill spots with talent, in a certain order, it’d go like this. I am not under the illusion they could or should actually stick to this or any other order, because the very idea of best player available means you need to be flexible about order. But the list of priorities as I see it are crystal clear:
QB
DT
TE
…OLB, SS, DE, OT, CB, OG…though the order hardly matters at this depth.
This list is for talent. Not just bodies or depth or backfilling free agent losses. This list is where I am spending my Fantasy GM $millions on the biggest stars/draftees available.
Some people say the Defense is not in as bad shape as the offense, but I would offer these 2 facts:
1, the Defense lacks the star equivalent of a Steven Jackson on their side of the ball, and
2, the WR’s and passing game will almost certainly improve if they merely progress like most NFL WR’s do, have only reasonable health from the offensive line, and if they get to work on timing with the QB rather than get picked up in the middle of the year like several did in 2009 ….(all things you would expect to happen regardless of roster moves).
I honestly believe the offense is only 2 players away from being much improved, and that’s a QB and TE. The D arguably needs help everywhere but MLB and maybe FS
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