Bulger bashers should quit it now
by Summer of 99 on Sep 21, 2009 12:03 AM CDT
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I don't know about you but I saw a huge progress this week. Yes, dropped passes by McMichael and Avery and the fumble by Avery (again) were painful but overall we are going in the right direction. Marc Bulger left all he had on the field and did everything for his team. He is the kind of leader that Spags needs to push this team to get better and better. Mark my words, we will start winning soon.
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What a joke.
I’m not sure whether you are smoking crack or just making a joke! The Rams have zero chance of making the playoffs with Marc Bulger. He is a backup QB at best in the NFL. How many more seasons do we have to endure this misery.
What more could any QB have done yesterday?
What more can a QB do than MB did yesterday? Did he fumble the ball away twice? Did he commit the penalty that cost them ten yards on the end of SJs run? Does he not return kick offs to your liking? Tell me when Albert Haynesworth, who weighs around 350 was grinding MB into the turf, you would have smiled and asked for more?
I love people who don’t understand the complete picture related to football – it’s a team game. One can only do with what one has around them. If you don’t have a good o-line then you can’t pressure the QB, for instance. If your WRs don’t catch the ball when it’s placed between the numbers, then the team doesn’t advance.
MB didn’t lose this game. The person to blame this one on is Avery and he will get better. This is just his second game back after missing the whole preseason.
Talk about a joke – you’re the joke.
by dean_chaban on Sep 21, 2009 8:24 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1 and a rec to you, sir
at some point, i’m going to put up a well thought out fanpost to why bulger isn’t the issue here. but right now i don’t have the time, so for right now i’m just going to have to say i agree with this. well said
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by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 21, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm certainly no Bulger apologist.
He suckles along with the rest of the team. Bulger led the offense that produced a whopping 119 net passing yards against the Redskins. We had a chance to win this game, but couldn’t even get a 1st down on the last possession. Let Bulger hand the ball to SJax or Darby every down. We couldn’t do any worse.
this post perfectly exhibits why i don't take you seriously
1. using the word “suckles” what does that even mean? you can say “bulger sucks,” but please back it up. you can’t just keep saying “bulger suckles” it’s just adds nothing to the conversation.
2. “let bulger hand the ball to sjax or darby every down” because as we all know, predictable playcalling leads to wins! duh! let’s become one dimensional, that’ll solve all our problems!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 21, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
How many times do I have to tell you that I don't give a flip what you think???
The pertinent facts; 119 yards passing, not even a 1st down on our last drive, are included in the very brief summary. Quit responding to every post I make with mindless babble or I’m going to do the exact same for you. Now buzz off Bulger Jr.!
because you're not listening
you choose to ignore my factual posts with any sort of evidence to make your point. instead of proving to me why “bulger suckles,” you use the phrases “twit” “twerp” “mindless babble” “cousin bulger” and threaten me to try and make your point. instead of personally attacking me, why don’t you try having discussions with me. try counter-arguing facts with facts for once.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 21, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Chew on these facts...
Marc Bulger QB rating = 69.5 (I don’t make these numbers up)
Redskins game; 15-28 for 119 yards
1 TD (through 2 games), offense averages 3.5 points per game.
4 and out on Rams last possession when needing only a FG to win.
Offense ranks 31st. Who leads the offense?
Rams have lost 29 of last 34 games.
Now get back to your school books kid. I earned my college degree and have been watching the Rams since before you were ever thought of…
i don't really give a damn how long you have been watching football
leave the age discretion out of it, it has nothing to do with the discussion. my point is you refuse to acknowledge any other aspect of the team. you’re just a pissed off fan who wants to blame somebody, and bulger is your perfect punching bag. at some point you’ve got to look at the whole picture instead of just one player. that’s all there is to it. i’m done arguing this point with you. we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 21, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I see where you are attempting to go...
and you and edpjr may be having a “whoever yells the loudest” or “whoever comments last” wins contest but those stats he just put up are pretty damning.
I think we can all agree that the team as a whole has not been good the last few years. The Jay/John FO was not good, drafts have not been good, etc – so you are trying to find a way to defend Bulger from the bid, bad, “blind” haters. I understand your position, but the QB takes more blame and more recognition then any player in this “team” sport and they know this – its an occupational hazard (hence the pay). Its the ONE player that touches the ball EVERY offensive series.
He is done in StL. Its just gonna take till the 2nd wave of the rebuilding process because of his contract. He may have success elsewhere (I doubt it – but thats me) but he is done here. Fact is that this rebuilding is probably going to take several “waves” to complete due to the talent and cap situations that were left by the old regime. Getting rid of his contract will only speed the process up.
Free Brandon Wood!
Nice
Gorams77. This is something I have been trying to convey for awhile. I believe the “rebuilding process” takes about 3 years to get the majority of the way there. Your “wave” comment was a good way to present the same information. Glad someone else is looking into the big picture. I hope people can understand that Bulger is not going anywhere right now and probably not next year.
Not so fast...
on the Bulger staying next year. If I haven’t made it obvious on the TST – I am firmly in the anti-Bulger camp and do not support him as the starter for next year and no way should he be on the roster as a backup with his salary – so I expect him gone next year.
Yes, the situation left to the new regime will take a couple waves of changes with the most pressing needs at QB, DE, and WR. Two of them could be addressed through the draft and maybe the other through FA.
I know the temptation to go DE (Dunlap?) or WR (Bryant?) will be there but a QB is what is needed. A rookie QB generally needs a year to couple of yrs under his belt to acclimate himself to the NFL so delaying the QB pick delays the teams progress IMO to get back to a perennial playoff/SB team/contender.
The line should be better for a rookie QB next year too. I haven’t looked or done research to see what DE/WR are up for FA at the end of the year so I am targeting no one in particular but my assumption is (again no 2010 offseason research yet) that the cap situation will be much better after having some bad deals that affected this year drop off.
On a side note as far as caps/etc are concerned since I brought it up (and an uncapped year on the horizon) – Jerry Jones better not be able to have his way about revenue sharing and salary caps or this team will be in serious trouble to compete with an ownership group trying to sell and being in a small market. We’ll all be praying for a move back to LA.
Free Brandon Wood!
I think your both right and no need to argue
yes bulger did suck if you look at his stats for the washinton game as well as the first game ,but i agree that football is not a one man sport its a team and i personally did not like bulgers play but i do blame most of it on the play calling and not on him,lets face it he does look better then in 2007 and 2008, i dont see him ducking for cover,he is staying in the pocket doing his best to complete the passes,he is showing some courage and leadership this year,and that is a big plus cause it was a question mark coming in too this season ,for me at least
All Right Already...
I guess with yesterdays game Marc Bulger passed Jim Everrett as the All Time Completions leader in LA / St. Louis Rams history. Everett was fun to watch back in the day when he had Henry Ellard and Flipper Anderson to throw to but I will never forgive him for that Phantom Sack against the 49ers in the NFC Championship Game. When Bulger took over for Kurt Warner I was a little hesitant about giving up on Warner too soon. Bulger was a ProBowl quarterback when he had Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt. Those are two of the greatest reciever tandems of all time. But you gotta admit, even when Bruce and Holt were here at the ends of their Rams careers, Bulger looked like he had lost it. Now he is signed to the big contract and we get excited when he throws for 125 yards? Yes, this has to be the worst receiver corps that the Rams have had since I’ve been a Rams fan but admit it, he is not the same quarterback he used to be and it’s time for the Rams to move on.
Just to point out
Warner was an All Pro with those receivers too and then he sucked with those receivers, then he sucked in New York, then he sucked in Arizona, then he was an All Pro/Super Bowl QB with Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Bolden, and Steve Breaston which are a much better top 3 than the Rams ever had unless you add Marshall Faul to the list.
"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"
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i agree with the main point of your post
but torry holt/issac bruce circa ‘99-’01 are just as good if not better as fitzgerald/boldin last year.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 21, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
alert the press!
we should just talk about the good ole days all the time instead of the present.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 21, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I said top 3
but I also think Fitzgerald is head and shoulders better than Holt or Bruce ever were. He can do everything they did and also be physical which they could never do. Those two always struggled in the red zone where space was at a minimum. Fitzgerald doesn’t.
"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"
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i disagree
yes fitzgerald is physical and amazing at what he does, but the only reason he would ever be any better than holt or bruce in the red zone is because he’s so damn tall and can run and catch the fades and such. saying that he’s “head and shoulders” better than bruce or holt is simply an inaccurate statement in my opinion.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 22, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand...
You’re diminishing how good he is because he’s tall? Being tall gives a WR different advantages and yes, I do feel that he can be better because he’s tall. If I had to take one of the three in their prime it would be Fitzgerald.
You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.
All day, every day.
Fitzgerald.
"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"
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i'm not diminishing how good he is because he's tall
i’m saying you have to take that into consideration when comparing him to bruce/holt in the red zone. of course he’s going to be more successful in the red zone because he can catch those fades and such more easily for TDs.
i think you guys need to watch some video from those glory years. bruce and holt were UNSTOPPABLE. period.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 23, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
They were far from UNSTOPPABLE.
Were they very good? Absolutely. But unstoppable? Really? You don’t think Marshall Faulk had anything to do with how and who teams focused on?
Teams designed their gameplans to stop Faulk. In Arizona, no one is loosing sleep over Beanie Wells or Jonathan Hightower or Edge James or anyone else the Cardinals have had in their backfield.
Faulk was the focus of those Ram teams and Fitzgerald is the focus of these Cardinal teams. If Fitzgerald would have played for the Rams the same time Faulk did, they prossibly wouldn’t have lost a game in either ’99 or ’01.
"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"
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Especially no sleep lost by Card opponents over James
since he is now with Seattle.
by WestCoastBuc on Sep 23, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you forget he played there the last three seasons?
"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"
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i'll go ahead and digress
i know little about actual football in ‘99-’01 other then what happened on television, as i was very young. fitzgerald may very well be better than either of the two.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 23, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll sure digress...
I’ve watched the Rams for decades and Isaac Bruce and Tory Holt in their primes rank right up there with about any WR IMHO. Also, both have a Super Bowl ring, which Fitzgerald and Boldin do not. There was also a guy that plagued us for about 15 years named Jerry Rice who was pretty good at catching footballs and winning championships.
What the hell does Jerry Rice have to do with anything?
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Can I get some love
for Al Toon?
Your uncle molests collies.
by 3k on Sep 24, 2009 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah.
Btw, who is Jonathan Hightower? Does a person by that name even exist? At least I got the last name right, right?
"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"
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I doubt you've heard of this guy before
Incognito needs to go, Shurmur needs to go, Avery's fumble-itis needs to go.
The Internet is amazing.
So is Google.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Warner ,bruce and holt scored every time we had the ball in 2001 lol
i dont think any one was every better then our 2000/2003 team and im a 50 year Rams fan
Mike Martz recently said put a good line in front of bulger and he is a elite player
do we know more then the coach? after hearing him say that i questioned my self about how i look at bulger
Can I assume that we have consensus?
MB has not been as sharp as he was at his peak but he did his part on Sunday. With the Kid Squad as the WR corps, instead of HOF-bound Bruce and Holt, his numbers could not be as good. All of us saw the dropped passes and I say we give MB a break.
You will never come to a consensus with Bulger
Free Brandon Wood!
Besides the WRs couldnt be worse than the Camarillo/Ginn tandem
and Pennington did fine with them last year…
Free Brandon Wood!
Facts speak loud and clear
He’s completing only 50 percent of his passes, has thrown for just one touchdown, and his passer rating is a mediocre 69.5. Plus, his team is 0-2 and his offense has produced a league-low seven points.
None of those stats
evaluate the quarterback independently. They’re all team dependant so therefore the “facts” don’t speak loud and clear. Actually, those “facts” are pretty muddy.
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Bulgers done
and he knows it. I’m not a stats guy. I think some of the numbers I see are pretty stupid. Thats possibly because I don’t understand all the anagrams and crap. But it’s clear that any success we have in the future is so far away that he won’t be here. I’ll give him credit for taking the physical pounding he’s getting as a result of developing young players, for a benefit he knows he won’t reap, possibly risking his career and his health. He is getting paid for that, but thats his situation as I see it.
Soon enough we will be paying a QB for actually performing instead of sacrificing himself.
dropped passes and poor route running...
Don’t forget its a new offensive scheme and when Laraunt Robinson is your primary # 1 guy you are gonna have trouble. The best stat so far is he has only been sacked 4 times and over the last two years you couldn’t blame the guy for being a little gun shy. If he was turning the ball over and losing us games I would say sure get rid of him. That said with all the problems this team has he would not be on my top 5 of why the rams suck again.
I have to agree
I really don’t think Bulger is the cause for our losses. I think the real question here, is has Bulger gone over the hump and headed downhill? It’s tough to call because of our lack of talent level at the WR position. I do know the only thing i’ve seen him guilty of IMHO is holding onto the ball too long. The question is, why? Gunshy? No one open? Confused? Time will be the judge.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
Blues is right
I feel like i my self and a lot of ram fans are a broken record with this bulger situation. To me Bulger and the offense is bringing a knife to a gun fight in the sense we don’t have enough weapons. Theirs a lot of underlying facts that prevent bulger from success like we’ve all said the offensive line and his receivers and such. However besides getting sacked, how many huge mistakes has he made? Marc has yet to throw an interception and hasn’t fumbled the ball either. And that is very important because that can put your defense in a bad position and really takes away momentum. Bulger isn’t perfect either but i don’t think he should be the one to blame entirely. Against Green Bay will be a real test of where this team is going and I can’t wait to see what are quarterback is going to do to them.
No surprise - the Ram fandom is still split about 50/50 on Bulger
I think we’ll know who’s right after this season. I don’t believe the Rams will continue to pay Bulger the insane amount of $$$ he’s making for the type of performance he’s providing regardless of the quality of the O-Line or receiver play. For many years I got accustomed to seeing Ram QB’s routinely put up 300+ yard passing games. Now we’re supposed to be happy with 15-28 for 119 yards and no INT’s? How low all our expectations have sunk… :-(
true
but i didn’t have my expectations set on a 300 yard passing game with any quarterback in this new system. I honestly wouldn’t mind 119 yards from bulger if we would have won the game. And i remember the old bulger would get a lot of yards but throw a lot of interceptions that would cost us games also. Bulger might not be the greatest quarterback but I’m seeing effort on his part more then alot of players. This is all im saying give him this season let him play and address the quarterback issue for what ever the results of the season are.
by keeperskillz24 on Sep 23, 2009 11:36 PM CDT reply actions
so it seems
but honestly the only play this team can run on offense is a hail mary and a hand off to jackson anyways. so give pat a little more time i mean for god sakes its week 3.
by keeperskillz24 on Sep 24, 2009 11:19 PM CDT reply actions
I say clean house... we're a shambles
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
Mark Bulger would shine on a strong team
The rams are not a strong team . Sorry St louis this is not the same as your baseball team. your infor along long season. be happy you got the cardinals
If you dont like me please ignore me and my posts
The Pirates,Reds,Royals, and Padres are not major league teams
Go Cardinals
NL Central Division Champions
Incognito needs to go, Shurmur needs to go, Avery's fumble-itis needs to go.
Well, Bulger was bashed by the Pack...
…so now we’ll see what our 2nd and/or 3rd QB’s can do minus Laurent Robinson. And with Butler and Vobora missing from the “D.” My guess is things can’t get much worse for a team averaging 8 points per game versus weak to mediocre teams. Although I do envision some enormous stompings by the Vikes, Colts, Saints and Cards are headed our way. btw, I had predicted months ago that Bulger would be out by the 4th-6th game this season.
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