Judging Rams QB Marc Bulger
Before the season started, we put our finger in the air to get a sense of approval ratings for some of the Rams new leadership. With one game in the books, let's shift our focus a little bit and see where fan opinion stands with regards to some of the players.
I will say this is National Jump to Conclusions Week. It doesn't mean the results you saw in Seattle on Sunday will be the same thing you see all season long. Ram_rod and I talked a little bit about Marc Bulger last night on Turf Show Radio, and I know some fans have a pretty strong opinion of the QB either way. This morning, let's jump into the fray and talk about the Rams QB.
Was the sputtering offense his fault? He completed just 17 of 36 passes last week for 191 yards. He didn't throw any TD passes, but he didn't throw any INTs either. It wasn't anything special to be sure. Then again, it wasn't enough for lots of fans to finish putting the nails in the career coffin, yet. (CaliRamMan has a good post arguing to withhold judgment on Bulger just yet). Yesterday, PD columnist Bernie Miklasz had this to say about Bulger's performance:
Bulger had 19 incompletions in the game, and according to STATS LLC, only four were the result of poor throws. That was better than most NFL quarterbacks in the first week. One pass was dropped. One was hit at the line. Eight were broken up by defenders. Three passes were intentionally thrown away. The other two incompletions weren’t categorized. Bulger was good on fiirst down throws (10 of 15) and not so good when he faced 2nd down and a distance of 8 yards or more (3 for 9). Bulger was 1 for 5 passing in the red zone. Only one of his third-down passing attenpts resulted in a first down. Bulger was more effective against the blitz (5 for 9) than throwing in non-blitz situations (12 for 27). There wasn’t much difference between his shotgun-formation passing and non-shotgun passing. When the Rams went with 4 WRs, he completed 3 of 4 for 65 yards.
Completely and totally "meh." For me the Rams QB hasn't done enough to merit shipping him out just yet, but he hasn't done anything to live up to expectations for him this year either.
So let's open it up. Ready to pronounce Bulger DOA yet or not? Why?
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It's waaaaaay too early
That being said the need for a QB of the future is uneffected by how well Bulger does this year. I wouldn’t pass up a top notch pro-style QB in the draft based on a good season by any current QB.
How about we let Bulger play his contract out...
…and we pick up my boy Matt Barkley in a couple of years. It’s obvious Bradford can’t take an NFL hit. Barkley took a similar shot, as a freshman QB, got up and led one of my school’s greatest TD drives of all time. I actually had a class with him in the summer and he’s a hell of a good person, really down to earth. Fits the four pillars. Big dude, excellent arm. Struggles with his accuracy a bit, but he’ll get there by junior year. Already shows the character it takes to win in the most hostile environment. If Bulger performs well this year, he should be able to play out his contract. The only thing is, we’ll probably need a high pick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-mUuplAfps&feature=related
Tell me you wouldn’t want to see him in the horns. I’ll say “YOU LIE!”
Uh...No
Two glaring mistakes:
1) You said for Bulger to play out his contract. His contract runs through 2013!! Long term Ram fans have a high tolerance for pain – but I sure as hell ain’t up for another 3 years of Bulger’s play (and that puts him at 36). The answer at QB needs to be addressed this offseason (it actually needed to be addressed past offseason but there was an avalanche of needs and Bulger’s contract to take into consideration).
2) I am not ready to annoint “your boy” as the next coming of JC as Herbstreit, Mustberger, and the LA beat writers are. The kid is 19, only played in 2 games, and looked like crap all game until the last drive. He has WAY too much time in which he can shine or bust between now and then. Plus, I f’n hate the Condoms.
Free Brandon Wood!
Oops - that would be 4 more years!
ugh…
Free Brandon Wood!
Lets get
that last drive correct. Barkley was not the reason that drive ended up in a TD. We can thank Joe Mcknight for that. He ran hard and gained those extra yards for 1st downs. He caught the ball coming out of the backfield and attacked the defense well. I’m tired of hearing about Barkley leading that drive, he made one long toss. Mcknights touches made the difference on that last drive. All in all he looks good for a FRESHMAN, yet I would like to see him a little more before I consider him a top 1st round pick. Although history would say otherwise with those QB’s from USC.
I as well as many others have said before...
Bulger is done. I hoped (and actually still do) that Bulger would have me eating crow this year but I just don’t see it. Regardless of the type of season he has – the QB of the future needs to be addressed this offseason. At that point you can make the 2010 season decision (based off of the rest of Bulger’s season) if you play a kid right away (I am in favor of) or sit the kid behind the vet for a year.
Bulger is a lightning rod for Rams fans – no player works our fanbase into heated discussions like he does. I have one question for all those Bulger “apologists/give him another chance/his line has sucked/his receivers suck/but he missed preseason/give him time to learn the offense/he is still accurate/any excuse I’m not thinking of off the top of my head” type fans….Do really think, in your heart and mind, that Bulger is the QB to take us back to the SB? When you dream/fantasize/picture the Rams as a force in the league again – is Bulger at QB?
He sure ain’t for me…
Free Brandon Wood!
OK
I can go with Bulger wont lead the rams to a super bowl but who do you want QBing right now? If some one says we could have had Sanchez they are not looking at the rest of our draft. At round 2 we still have a huge need for a tackle and if the same options were avalible to us then do you take that tackle or do you take Animal Jr.? There were no free agents I would have replaced Bulger with. Lets face it we are not that good right now. It may take some time. But until we do draft a QB that has NFL starting talent then I dont see a better option then Bulger.
It is milk it may be spilled it may be delicious.
Answer for now...
it has to be Bulger. For all my not wanting him in the game he HAS to be the QB for at least the short term. We don’t have the future waiting in the wings (sorry Null fans – not sold on him yet) and you can’t bench him yet. I stress yet because you cant do it from a team buy in standpoint right now (remember how well it went over in the loker room last year?).
I knew he was the default QB coming into this year due to his contract but if he can’t put W’s on the board through 1st part of season – you need to turn to Boller at that point.
Jim Everett kicked ass when he first got to the Rams too…but there comes a time when enough is enough.
Free Brandon Wood!
BTW...
Just to clarify so it doesn’t look like I’m talking out of both sides of my mouth after that comment: When I say Bulger is done, I mean this should be his last year with the Rams cause I don’t have faith in a turnaround from him.
Free Brandon Wood!
Thanks for the
Shout out VanRam.
I figure 3k and yourself provide so much good insight that I should at least contribute somewhere.
One day the post will be main page worthy!
So...
where do you prove your point in saying that Marc should keep his position? Lets analyze your bullshit analysis…
1. 19 completions and only 4 poor throws: sounds great. But lets also take a look at the poor throws that were caught because of the ‘Hawks bad defense. The throws that were caught in double coverage. And they weren’t caught because our recievers made spectacular plays (they will one day but still to young and inexperienced to be considered playmakers). They were made because the secondary was lax. You think Rodgers, Landry and Fletcher are gonna let that shit fly? Please don’t let your answer be yes.
2. 8 were broken up by defenders: Are you serious? How does this justify anything? A QBs job is to keep the ball out of the defenders hands and/or throw it to a spot where the defender can’t get to it right? SO A GOOD/QUALIFIED QB SHOULD KNOW NOT TO THROW INTO THAT AREA OR TRY TO FORCE ANYTHING!! Once again, against a better secondary…our fortune won’t be as good.
3. Now here is the real kicker…and I am gonna bunch these three together: 2nd down and a distance of 8 yards or more (3 for 9). Bulger was 1 for 5 passing in the red zone. Only one of his third-down passing attempts resulted in a first down. In what way, shape, or form can you honestly think that this is acceptable going in to the future? Do I really have to breakdown each one of your sentences to explain how bogus this is? Well for your sake I will. 33% on 2nd and long…a good QB makes things happen…he doesn’t. 20% in the red zone? Well damn we all know running the ball gets a helluva lot tougher in the redzone because thats what teams expect so if they KNOW Marc can’t throw in the red zone what the hell are we gonna do? AND ONE THIRD DOWN PASSING ATTEMPT RESULTING IN A FIRST DOWN? I don’t even need to explain that…I really don’t.
But you kno what tho CaliRamMan? It’s not really all your fault. It’s the organizations fault for letting us rams fans fall into a state of mind where we think that things aren’t really that bad. To thinking that things are moving in the right direction. Well FUCK that. I might be the only Rams fan living in D.C. and I got one helluva chip on my shoulder with all these ‘Skins d*ckriders coming at my neck every sunday. I’m all for what Spags is tryna do and the defense is looking good but moves still need to be made. We need Bulger to take a Nate Clemens role and help out a young QB become the face of the franchise. We need a new guard because Ignacioto has to go and we need a reciever with experience. I am a Rams fan till I am 6 feet under and if you aint a die hard fan than you are no fan at all. So show yourself and your team a little respect and stop pussy footing around the truth. GET LOT AND STICK ’EM!!!!!!
chill out.
"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"
-Cards Fan in Chitown, via text message shortly after the VEB Get Together Day.
Bulger will do it for us
I do think Bulger has what it takes to get the Rams to another SB. I think some of the Bulger haters just have the bad taste of some bad seasons still in their mouthes.
Go Rams!
You can't be serious
To believe that he can take us to the SB? ARE YOU CRAZY?!?!?! Mark Bulger has had 2 1/2 good seasons…and why were they good? Because Kurt Warner looked bad and Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce still had some juice left. Oh…and of course Stephen Jackson was one of the leagues best. Marc Bulger has no arm, accuracy ONLY within 20 yards and makes bad decisions. He threw into double coverage 3 times and the only reason they weren’t picked off is because the seahawks secondary is garbage.
You've GOT to be kidding!
The bar is so low that Bulger is measured by the fact that he didn’t have any fumbles or INT’s. An NFL QB is paid for winning games and doing whatever it takes to score points. Maybe even moving around in the pocket to make a play. Marc has not played anywhere near the price tag he has. Guess what, we should expect to win every game we play and be dissapointed that we don’t. Some guys on this board think it OK to expect to lose most every game in the name of “progress” and because we’ve had so many problems and bad breaks…BOOO HOOO!!!! I bet Spags won’t put up with that attitude so why should we???
Patience my A**
In response to gorams77...
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1) I guess what I meant was let him play another 2 years or so. Something tells me he’ll be in good graces by season’s end.
2) As a Trojan that has witnessed the last year of JDB and the only year of Mark Sanchez, I can say for a fact that we, at this point (2 starts in) are more hyped for Barkley than we were for Sanchez/Booty. There’s a reason Pete put him in now. He’s the real deal. By no means am I saying that, if the league permitted it, we should draft him now. But I am saying that he is miles ahead of the other USC QBs that have gone in the past few years. Btw, your hatred for certain schools is irrelevant. I know it is easy to hate USc because of all the carnage we have left in our wake over the years. That’s understandable, but here’s my draft day story:
I’m sitting there, telling all my friends (all Trojans) “somehow, Maualuga is going to fall to us.” I kept saying that. He falls to us in the second round, and my dream of seeing Mauluga in a Rams uniform is all but true now. I’m SO excited, and then the commish comes in and says “James Laurinaitis.” I dropped to the floor in angry pain. My friends thought I was going to break the TV or something. I was SO pissed. What has happened since then? Mauluga is a backup OLB and Laurinaitis is kicking a$$ left and right, getting fumbles/cleaning up our D-Line’s mess. I HATED the guy going into our destruction of OSU at the Coliseum, I love the guy now because I know he’ll be the captain of this defense for years to come. Where they went doesn’t matter as long as they’re in blue n’ gold.
Also, you said we needed to get a QB in this last draft. Knowing for a fact that the Lions were going to take Stafford, logic says that you MUST have been clamoring for us to draft Mark Sanchez with the 2 pick. USC QB. Only 16 starts. Matt Barkley is going to have that by early next year, and he already has better physical tools if you ask me. By the time I’m talking about, he’s going to be on the draft boards. If he comes in, he can sit behind Bulger until he’s ready.
Lastly, about the Bulger comment, we don’t NEED him to LEAD us to the Superbowl. You’re hyping the importance of the QB WAY too much. Do I see him throwing for 400 yards and 4 TDs in an NFC Championship, single-handedly willing us to victory? Then, in the biggest stage, throwing for 375 and 3 TDs or so winning the game in the last minutes? Probably not, though I know he’s capable of ridiculous numbers. That said, we don’t NEED him to carry us. Point and case(this decade):
Superbowl XXV: Ravens Victory: Starting QB: TRENT DILFER.
Superbowl XXXVI: Patriots victory: Starting QB Tom Brady’s stats: 16/27, 145 yards, 1 TD. They just needed that last drive from him.
Superbowl XXXVII: Buccaneers victory: Starting QB: BRAD JOHNSON. AGE 35.
Superbowl XL: Steelers victory: Starting QB: Ben Roethlisberger: 9/21, 123 Yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTS.
Superbowl XLII: Giants victory: Eli Manning. Starting QB. Not the best stats, but a hell of a last drive (and a miracle play).
NONE of these QBs made the Pro-Bowl in these Superbowl winning seasons. NONE. Still think we need an All-Pro QB to win the thing? I say we just need that O-Line and SJax to pound the hell out of the ball and hope Marc can make a big play or two a game. The Seattle game showed me he still has the arm (and Laurent dropped a couple on him before the big one). Also, turnovers can help big time.
Also, CaliRamMan, believe me I’m the first to give Joe his props for what he did. He ran with heart and passion. I give our Defense the game ball against OSU, and Joe would be my runner up. I’m not one of these little girls that gets caught up in the Barkley thing, I just think the guy has the perfect character and raw physical skills to be a great QB in a couple of years. Again, what he showed, despite having a not-so-great game up until that point, was that he has the stomach to be a great QB someday. The OSU defense was taunting him the entire drive saying “you should go back to high school.” After the sack/false start, he SMILED in the huddle, and led us down 90+ yards and silenced over 100,000 people. Joe made the big plays, but Barkley’s huge pass on 3rd down was the difference. All I’m saying is, come junior year, this guy is going to be special. We should keep an eye on him.
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-Cards Fan in Chitown, via text message shortly after the VEB Get Together Day.
Dammit...
…I’ll learn. :D
Thanks though.
that's alright.
there’s a lot of gadgets and doo-hickeys here on SBN. Sometimes we don’t realize how easy this format actually is until it’s pointed out.
"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"
-Cards Fan in Chitown, via text message shortly after the VEB Get Together Day.
Alright...
You are correct, my hatred for certain schools is irrelevant for this discussion…but still I can’t mention SC without mentioning that…well, I hate them.
That being said – taking the comment on its surface, it really wouldn’t matter what school that a 19 year old kid that just played his 2nd college game ever played for. You just can’t annoint (although the media certainly has) them a top pick already. He could be the next Peyton Manning or he could be the next Ron Powlus. But its too early to call anyone that has done nothing but throw short passes to his stable of RB and let them rack up the YACs in both games he played our QB of the future.
Bulger’s contract is a terrible one (thanks John and Jay!) that runs through 2013. Yes, I was on this board saying that we needed to address our QB situation in last years draft (I believe you can look up members past remarks on SBN) early on but due to the many, many, many needs of the team in addition to the inability to dump Bulger due to his contract – I resigned myself to the fact that we would have Bulger for one more year. I had hoped he played well enough to serve me up a plate of crow but his 1st week performance is less than inspiring -and yes I admitedly had my hopes for him on a very short leash. Regardless of his performance this year – good, decent, or bad….the QB situation NEEDS to be addressed THIS offseason.
In regards to the QB’s listed – there is one thing all of those QB’s had that Bulger does not…an elite Defense (although that can be debated with the Pats – that was more Martz ego getting in the way of the Rams having 2 SB’s).
-Trent Dilfer – one of the greatest defenses in the history of the NFL.
-Tom Brady – his numbers may not have been the greatest for that game, but I don’t think you can realistically put up an argument that the guy is not a great QB. Plus Martz was an f’n idiot with the play calls – would it have been that hard to put pride aside and run the damn ball when you have Marshall Faulk!
-Brad Johnson – Another elite D. Plus it helps when you coach knows EVERYTHING inside and out about the opponent because they were their coach a mere 12 mos earlier.
-Big Ben – Same as Brady explanation – Plus the refs had money on the Steelers – and thats tough to beat. Oh, and they had an elite D.
-Eli: See D.
Will our D get better? Sure. Will it be elite? Time will tell. Either way – I don’t see Bulger as the guy that going to get us there…
Free Brandon Wood!
Yeah BUT
Nice post and you have some good points but why dont you put up the other 30 SB stats for the QB? Also, No one is expecting Bulger to all of a sudden throw for 400 yds a game—- just show some winning attributes like making tough throws at key times, show a little creativity and throw to the second or third option which were open last week. He didn’t have that much pressure on him and he still looks shaky. I make it a point to watch other teams and I notice a real difference in the QB’s in terms of decision making and confidence. Even Mark Sanchez looks better. I don’t care about excuses for Bulger because he makes BIG money and is supposed to be able to “will” the team for a TD at least on occasion….It aint there with him.
way back in 2002-2004...
…there was a young reasonably talented QB named Marc Bulger. He was the darling of Mike Martz’s eye and a way to get rid of Warner (Brenda). That young Bulger had a good O-Line to protect him along with super-star receivers like Isaac Bruce, Tory Holt and Kevin Curtis. He also had a guy in the backfield named Marshall Faulk that could run wild and catch passes. Even so, Bulger won a single NFC West title and is 1-2 career in the playoffs. Fast forward 5 years and Bulger is an older shell-shocked version of his former self minus the coach and players that made him somebody once upon a time. Now he’s a washed up QB for a team with the worst talent in the league that has lost 28 of their last 33 games. Bulger is done, plain and simple. My guess is he’ll be at Carolina next year in a backup role to someone other than Jake Delhomme. And the Rams sure didn’t get their $65M worth….

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