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Overreaction Monday: Week 1 @ Seattle

  One of my favorite aspects of the NFL is that with just 16 games, each one is vitally important.  With every win or loss, fans either anoint their head coach or QB the savior of their franchise (i.e. Mark Sanchez, Josh McDaniels) or demand that the coaching staff and a large majority of the players be summarily fired/executed/eaten by the ticket holders (i.e. Rams fans, Houston fans).
  Well let's deal with the emotional rollercoaster that began with a Donnie Avery fumble and ends, well it hasn't ended yet.  Maybe Wednesday?

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  Five thoughts I've been mulling over worth tossing around:

 - Why wouldn't you game plan for the crowd?  With a setting notorious for creating offensive line mistakes (of which we saw five yesterday by five different players), why didn't we address this more completely in the lead-up to the game?  There were back to back plays when Patrick Kerney got absolutely perfect jumps on the snap.  If he can time his explosion into a play without knowing when we're snapping the ball, our players should be just as good.

 - The offensive line was pretty offensive.  Pass protection was, IMO, above average.  Marc Bulger found himself with a lot of time often and that included several blitzes.  Not that he was able to do much with that time, but it was there nonetheless.  Running the ball, however, proved to be next to impossible.  The combination of Bell, Brown & Incognito (which you would think would be a very capable interior trio) failed to create lanes for the very large majority of running plays.  This has to change.  Given how poor the passing game worked, and knowing the most talented player on this offense is Steven Jackson, this line has to do more.  Otherwise, you can expect similar futility.

 - Third downs are vital.  The Rams performed worse than every other team in the NFL on third down yesterday: 2 for 12 (not including an offsides call on Darryl Tapp which turned a 3rd and 5 into a 1st down).  Ten of those 12 required at least 6 yards for the first -- of those ten, we converted one into a first.  Of course, there was the 3rd and 1 at the Seattle 9 mishap.  With the Rams in striking distance marching down the field with a chance at tying the game at 7, McMichael committed a false start followed by a delay of game in which Jason Brown couldn't hear Bulger.  The next play, now 3rd and 11, saw Bulger fail to connect with Laurent Robinson; K Josh Brown made it that much more painful when he missed the 37 yard kick.  You can't put yourself in those kind of positions so often, especially when you don't have the ability, apparently, to convert those opportunities.

 - We lost the emotional grasp / momentum of the game multiple times starting with the first freaking play of the game.  The worst thing you could possibly do to begin your NFL season is fumble the kickoff return on the road and allow the kicking team to recover the fumble, scramble into the end zone and start the game 7-0 in mere seconds.  What we did ranks just slightly below.  Our defense made play after play in that first quarter handing off great opportunities for the offense to grab the game by the throat, but where the defense was motivated, prepared and disciplined, the offense was anything but.  Speaking of....

 - Richie Incognito is on very thin ice (auto tune the Rams?).  While, IMO, his blocking ability shouldn't be in question, his effect on the game shouldn't be either, except they're opposite ends of the positive-negative effect spectrum (which is a great name for an album, BTW).  Cogs was a drive killer.  It's that simple.  Maybe Spags' softer approach will work.  I'm willing to give it time.  But that time is not an era - Incognito needs to be informed that he is on a very short leash.  Fire, motivation, hype: whatever the term, they're great when they inspire a player to play above his talent DURING THE PLAY.  What really concerns me is that he's fully self-aware of his tendency to let his emotions lead to outbursts instead of yardage bursts:

"I just lost my cool," Incognito said. "A classic case of it."

"I've got the team riding on my shoulders on this one — they need me to stop committing fouls. It's something I've worked very hard at.... I'm going to keep working hard at trying to step my mental game up..."

Incognito has a history of personal fouls, and more than one opposing player over the years has referred to him as a dirty player. Make no mistake, NFL officiating crews are aware of his reputation as well.

"I know going out there on Sundays I'm being watched," Incognito said. "I know I'm a marked man. My reputation precedes me."

It's not as if he thinks he's being unfairly targeted or that people are misunderstanding him.  He recognizes he's at fault, and that's what's so maddening.  It's incredibly childish, and I support whatever gets him to keep playing at his level without the penalties that killed two drives and the reputation he's earned himself, both from a referee's perspective and a Rams fan's perspective as well.

 

  It's not the end of the world.  I was in the 6-10, 7-9 mold before the season, and I still see it as a possibility, but this was one of the easier games early on.  It's going to be tough to get to that mark after week 17 with the kind of start yesterday's loss suggests we're in for.

  Now that you've slept on it, (if you did.  If the nightmares were too much, I understand) what's still bugging you today?

Poll
If you were the head coach of the Rams, how would you deal with Richie Incognito given his two unsportsmanlike conduct penalties yesterday?
Start him again - Let him work his way out of it, but get in his head during the week to make sure he recognizes that he's hurting his team.
194 votes
Sit him early - let him watch the first drive or two. If we score, he can sit longer; it should accompany a verbal notice that without 15 yard penalties, the Rams can actually score points every so often.
165 votes
Sit him for a game or two - He's got to feel the pain the way the fans do. If he plays, you don't send a message. He needs a loud one.
145 votes
Cut him - Cut him now. Actually, cut him yesterday as soon as the game ended. There should be no tolerance for this kind of stuff. It's bad for our sense of team, it's absolutely demoralizing duing the game, and it tactically provides a HUGE advantage
218 votes

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What Will Spags do?

If Incognito sticks around, it will make Spags look like a Hipocrite. His point was perform, or leave.

I know, I know, give him a chance. The fact is, this isn’t a first time. And 2 in one game?

I think Spags has no choice but say see ya later to keep his message loud and clear.

Just my humble opinion… but then again, i’m still ticked off over yesterday’s performace… or should I say lack thereof.

What has 22 legs and can't move? The Rams offense.

by VTramsFan on Sep 14, 2009 2:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No, Spags will definitely not cut Incognito after one game.

He would lose the locker room immediately if he pulled a stunt like that. All preseason he’s been preaching faith and belief in the system, “53 acting as 1” and all of that. To turn one player into a scapegoat for a collective team failure because of two over-aggressive plays would completely undermine that message.

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by taiko on Sep 14, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think

the message would be “Incognito lost us the game”. It would be that we need players who can keep their cool and use their brain.

This isn’t a first time… we all know how he has been ever since he’s been here.

What has 22 legs and can't move? The Rams offense.

by VTramsFan on Sep 14, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree 100% taiko.

Thinking Incognito is going to get cut after one game is ridiculous. Spags has had him for 1 real game. He doesn’t have the track record with Spags that he had with other coaches. Thinking he’ll get cut by a new regime would be like if he had gotten signed as a FA this offseason and his new team and coach only gave him one strike.

Face it. He got a do over with the new coach/GM/VP. His reputation is known, so he’s not starting with a clean slate, but he’s far from a “one strike and you’re out” scenario.

"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"

-Cards Fan in Chitown, via text message shortly after the VEB Get Together Day.

by Tackle Box on Sep 14, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He definitely won't cut him

I just wanted to gauge everyone’s feeling. Today’s Rams Notebook, courtesy of the P-D, had this quote from Spags:

“I told (Incognito), I still have confidence in him,” Spagnuolo said. “I don’t lose confidence in a guy in one game. I think Richie’s one of our passionate guys, I really do. He plays his butt off. It’s just sometimes, you’ve got to temper that a little bit, that’s all.”

I think, like taiko suggested, he’s trying to get Cogs in line without losing the players’ faith in him. Incognito seems to be a good guy and well liked, just a knucklehead when it comes to dialing down his intensity after the whistle.

Your uncle molests collies.

by 3k on Sep 14, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for giving people chances

but at some point you have to know when it’s run it’s course. To be fair, Spags certainly wants to give the guy a fair shake while he’s the coach so I understand that. I hope it’s the right call for the team…

What has 22 legs and can't move? The Rams offense.

by VTramsFan on Sep 14, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The noise affected more than the gameplan

On the radio broadcast last night, D’Marco Farr noticed that Jason Brown was “tipping” the snap in shotgun sets, because he had to look backward through his legs to see Bulger’s signals. Then when he would get ready to snap, he would bring his head back up — prompting an immediate pass rush.

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by taiko on Sep 14, 2009 2:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That makes sense

I think those back to back snaps where Kerney timed his rush perfectly were against a shotgun formation

Your uncle molests collies.

by 3k on Sep 14, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I noticed that too

but it also cost Seattle with a couple of offsides penalties. All in all, that needs to be addressed. At least home games should be better.

by BruinHalo on Sep 14, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay...maybe it is too early to toss the season into the toilet...

however, when you lose a game under a new coach with a lot of new personnel in a similar manner to the way this team has been losing games under a previous administration (start off decent, fail to capitalize on errors of other team, make a few key mistakes, get blown out in second half of game), I gotta say, you have to wonder…I had very low expectations of this game, but I thought if this team could compete to the final gun, I’d be partially satisfied…I came away from this game with very few positives, which is the way it was 90% of the time in 2008.

Now, I need to hear some reassuring words from the coach…If I hear “shoot, we’re gonna fix it”, the top of my head is going to explode…I understand that preparing this team for the Redskins is secondary to soothing the fanbase, but we’re not chopped liver here, either…if they want the opposition’s fans to take over the Ed this year like they did numerous times in the Linehan era, we are well on our way to that happening now, IMO, without some “talking-them-off-the-ledge” words from the front office.

I’m all for not overreacting to a single game, but you gotta give me something to work with here.

by tbell61 on Sep 14, 2009 3:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly....

Different coach, same exact results…exact same results. This game could have been any of the last two years.

There has been a lot of turnover in players, but at what point will they realize that some of the players that have been kept are a big part of the problem?

But hey, like like in the Linehan days, players can seemingly do no wrong, put in pathetic performances, commit stupid penalties and face no sort of sanction or loss of job. Incognito is emblematic of this. He learned under Linehan, he can do what he wanted, and now Spags just sent him the same message. And the rest of the team is likely paying attention. Business as usual. So much for a change in attitude.

by DiscoJer on Sep 14, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You just can’t cut a player after one game, but definitely after the season is over, if these are consistent issues, there is no reason why he shouldn’t be sent packing.

Spagamania is in full bloom

by ram_rod on Sep 14, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

what if we could trade him for something somewhat valuable like a 3rd or 4th rounder

or a slightly worse guard who is not a complete dumbass

Incognito needs to go
Shurmur needs to go

by Carneros on Sep 14, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rams will Rally around Donnie Jones and Punt Good Footballs.

All I want to see this season is progress. Shut out by a division rival to start a season coming off 5 wins over the last 2?!

How many rock bottoms do we have to endure until the rams start climbing up. I see this as a new low.

Brutal schedule early doesn’t help either. West Coast road opener….East Coast road game week 2… and 40K packer fans taking over the dome for the week 3 home opener.

This is my sig. image until the Rams have a winning record.

by Licensed to Post on Sep 14, 2009 8:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

with your point on the tough opening schedule. Honestly it doesn’t get better after week 3:

wk2 Sun, Sep 20 @ Washington
wk3 Sun, Sep 27 Green Bay
wk4 Sun, Oct 4 @ San Francisco
wk5 Sun, Oct 11 Minnesota
wk6 Sun, Oct 18 @ Jacksonville
wk7 Sun, Oct 25 Indianapolis

YEOUCH

What has 22 legs and can't move? The Rams offense.

by VTramsFan on Sep 14, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This time is NOT the first!!!

How short memories are…. Incognito did the very same thing last year multiple times. He just came out of training camp and gets us 35 yards in penalties during the first regular season game. This guy is branded. Every NFL referee watches him super closely because of his history of wild temperment. If he pats somebody on the ass, it’ll be an automatic 15 yard penalty. Dump him now and make an example. He’ll never be any good to us while constantly under the officials’ magnifying glass.

by edpjr on Sep 14, 2009 8:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tila

there’s a tila tequila joke in here somewhere

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by VanRam on Sep 14, 2009 9:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Edpjr....

Seriously its the first game of the season… let Spags figure it out. I wouldnt be surprised if he sat out a couple of series but what your are saying isnt going to happen. About him being “branded”…. really? I wouldnt say he is branded but he just takes stupid penalties the refs made the right calls.

by Iwuvrams on Sep 14, 2009 10:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He is definitely branded. The Ref’s know how he operates and are probably more keen to watching him then others and you know full well that any defensive player can easily provoke him into doing something stupid. If he repeats it again this week, I say bench him until he realizes he needs to stop.

Spagamania is in full bloom

by ram_rod on Sep 14, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Incognito has a reputation

with both the officials and the other teams. The other teams know they can provoke him into doing some stupid, and the refs are ready to flag him when he does. He is going to have to learn to control himself no matter what happens if he wants a future in the league.

I couldn’t believe the Burwell column in the paper this morning. He was happy about the toughness he thought he saw from the Rams. Yeah, we played tough and lost 28 – 0. Sound like we’re becoming the new Raiders.

by andyrose on Sep 14, 2009 11:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

his column was written as a pre-game piece

I agree, it sounded pretty hollow afterwards…

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by taiko on Sep 14, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tonight's Prayer:

“Lord, please let the Lions win a game before playing the Rams. Please spare us the embarrassment of being the team to break their string of losses.”

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Sep 14, 2009 11:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

enough is enough

Spags needs to learn from other defensive minds like rex ryan and wade phillips and call his own plays and substitutions. he made his success doing it in ny. Rex ryan is doing great calling his own plays. I believe this defense will be mediocre until spags takes over d playcalling. All these articles talk about spags learning under jim johnson yadayadayada, thats great and all but he isnt calling our plays (yet). FIRE PAT SHURMUR bring us martz as off coordinator. last time the lions had a decent record (7-9, started 5-2) martz was the off coor. we need an offensive mind not a copy of the eagles offense that forgets about the running backs too often. And bulger had better stats than a few qbs this past sunday. more yards just not a couple of tds. i blame that on those crappy penalties and bulger playing safe, shurmur put the game in his hands from the beginning and bulger played safe not wanting to commit stupid turnovers. two drives that could have ended in tds were killed because of penalties. the rams potentially had a 14-10 lead at halftime. not counting the fg block and everyone can talk about the 12th man but one guy didnt even try to block, just fell back. technically eleven guys got that block. and you better believe the second half is way different if we were winning 14-10 at half. i expect to see better things against a sorry looking skins team. Oh and about this shut out the texans should have been shut out too except for a stupid lucky play on the pick. as lucky as the donkeys win. I wish spags would have taken the fg at the end. I digress, at least we have a chance against the lions.

by sj39 on Sep 15, 2009 12:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

While we are at it

Why don’t we just change a few more plays and declare ourselves 28-0 winners.

by WestCoastBuc on Sep 15, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

at least we scored under martz and won more than 2 games

by sj39 on Sep 15, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

We need a good offensive coordinator and Spags needs to call the shots on D

Incognito needs to go
Shurmur needs to go

by Carneros on Sep 15, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I don't understand is what good sitting him will do?

If the Rams think he is vital to the team’s success (yeah I know that’s a joke) then play him through his problems so he can learn and improve. If we don’t need him cut/trade him. If you are trying to prove a point to the team cutting Incognito will go waay farther than benching him for a drive. If you are trying to prove a point to him, then make it extremely clear that the future of his career, both in STL and the rest of the league, is on the line. Spags just needs to light the fire underneath him.

(Insert Your Own Joke)

by AWolfAtTheDoor on Sep 15, 2009 5:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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