Tye Hill: post-mortem on a prospect
Anyone who saw the Rams week two preseason game against the Falcons knew that Tye Hill was done, done as a starting cornerback in the NFL. What happened to Hill? How did he go from first round pick to seventh round trade fodder?
We covered this a little bit the other night on Turf Show Radio, but Hill's biggest selling point has always been his speed. Low 40 times leave lots, too many, draft watchers with open jaws, and more than one front office has been fooled by a speedster. Tye Hill ran the fastest 40 at the Combine that year, 4.31 seconds. That's seductively fast, but by all accounts he had more than just speed in college.
Tye Hill looked damn good coming out of Clemson. In his senior season he was named to the first-team All ACC, an All American, and a finalist for the Thorpe Award which goes to the nation's top defensive back. The Sports Illustrated scouting report on Hill from 2006 went so far as to use the words "shutdown corner." Check it out:
POSITIVES: Terrific shutdown cornerback coming off an outstanding senior season. Quick-footed in reverse, fluid flipping his hips and loses nothing transitioning with opponents. Easily stays downfield with receivers, reading their eyes then getting his head back around to locate the ball. Quick planting to the throw and adjusts in midair to make the interception. Physical and supports the run.
The reality was much different. Hill never played particularly well against the run and was sometimes a liability. To me, his fatal undoing as a CB was an inability to read plays well, anticipate routes and make plays. For a guy who never had any problems staying with a receiver, Hill sure got burned a lot.
Confidence, specifically a loss of it, has been cited as a big reason for Hill's failure to build on a pretty successful rookie campaign in 2006 and develop into a starting quality CB. There's likely something to that theory. Remember the loss against Carolina to start the 2007 season, when he had 8 tackles and had a few moments against Steve Smith? If you go back and look at the play-by-play, Delhomme consistently threw on Hill, working his way to a 200 yard, 3 TD day, including a 68-yard strike to Steve Smith that featured Hill watching from his stomach as Smith crossed the goal line. It was a scene that would be repeated over and over again. The loss of confidence notion gained plenty of steam in 2008 when Hill repeatedly got burned and looked completely lost as far as his assignments and reads.
Confidence or not, bigger receivers consistently burned Hill, as the moment with Gonzo typified. Some players play bigger than their size, and some players don't. Hill didn't. Now, he's fighting for a spot on the depth chart somewhere else.With that, let's open it up. Was confidence to blame for Hill's struggles? Was he just not that good? Did the coaching switcheroos and turmoil with the Rams stunt his development?
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We'll always wonder
I remember being nearly swayed in the draft (I was HUGE on Cromartie) to Tye by his tangibles. Something happened to his game mentally (almost like a Billy Beane) and he never recovered. I’ll be very interested to see if Atlanta can figure him out.
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by 3k on Sep 1, 2009 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So getting rid of Martz didn't fix the draft?
With Hill, you can say his confidence took a hit, but that’s just a different way to describe a few tendencies.
1. Bad ball awareness. The photof Gonzalez is perfect. He was playing a fade and they threw it to the post. But also…
2. He overcompensated for his shortness. On that play in the photo he gambled knowing that Gonzalez would out jump him unless he got to the ball first. So he made sure he got to the corner first…as the ball went elsewhere.
3. He wasn’t horrible his rookie year, but he never played to that level again. Call it confidence, call it other teams throwing at him, call it injuries or whatever.
Tye Hill, Klopfenstein, Claude Wroten, Jon Alston, Dominque Byrd = five picks in the first three rounds. All busts.
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by Brad Lee on Sep 1, 2009 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jon Alston is not a bust. Plays for the Raiders now (wait, maybe he is a bust)…
by 81 Witness on Sep 1, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
your first and second points reference a single play. Great example, small sample size…
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by 3k on Sep 2, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, it was one example
but tell me he didn’t have those tendencies. Are you saying he had good ball awareness? Are you saying he didn’t overcompensate for bigger receivers? The caption of the photo alluded to that one play being representative of his time with the team.
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by Brad Lee on Sep 2, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I'm certainly no Tye Hill defender
but I think something happened in his development. He had quality awareness in college and played against several NFL-sized receivers. I’m hesitant to point a finger squarely at one person, but something took Tye Hill the top-tier CB prospect and turned him into Tye Hill the only-worth-a-7th-rounder CB.
Your uncle molests collies.
by 3k on Sep 2, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Tye read to much of his own ink. He really got stuck on himself with “I’m going to the Pro-Bowl my first year”. He didn’t believe or understand that the NFL is full of very serious quality players rather than school kids. I don’t think he could ever adjust to the fact that nobody in the NFL feared him like he was accustomed to.
by Knoxfan on Sep 1, 2009 3:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another Poor Draft Pick
Even when Hill got his reads right, he couldn’t cover a taller, more physical receiver without catching the hankie for P.I. Nope, in the final analysis, Hill was just another bad pick by the Rams.
by Thomas P on Sep 1, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Scott Linehan is a retard
Scott Linehan, biggest mental retard in the NFL..
by Thomas W on Sep 1, 2009 8:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tiny Tye
I said from the beginning, the instant they called his name, Tye Hill is too small to be a productive corner in the NFL. Receivers are big, strong and fast. Running backs are big, strong, fast and punishing. O-lineman are big and strong and TE’s are O-lineman with receiver skills. Tye is just fast. At best, he has one of three qualities an NFL CB needs to be successful. But heck, a hummingbird is fast, but I wouldn’t line one up against Randy Moss.
by victorian on Sep 1, 2009 11:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I hated the pick as soon as we picked him – I couldn’t get over his size. I don’t care if you can run the 40 in under 3 seconds, if you are giving up 6+ inches to all the taller, stronger NFL grade WRs you are tasked w/ gaurding (I seriously doubt he is the 5’10" listed in your program).
2006 was a disaster of a draft. Then we draft Klop in the 2nd at TE when he doesn’t pass the “sight” test for ability to block at that position. 3rd rd were character issue guys and IMO Wroten would have been worth the risk IF the 1st two rds were solid picks. At the time I though this draft can oly be saved if Wroten plays to potential and stays out of trouble – of course we all know how that turned out. Then drafting 2 TE in same draft with valuable 2nd and 3rd rd picks – brilliant….
Thankfully VicA and hopefully Stets can continue to add value.
Free Brandon Wood!
by gorams77 on Sep 2, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always wonder...
What goes through the minds of the guys in the “war room” and how they justify such ridiculously poor picks – especially when most fans can tell the picks will be horrible.
As an example, let’s take this year’s draft. There was considerable debate, not about what we needed but instead, about the best way to get there. In the end, I didn’t agree with many of the selections but at least a legitimate, logical argument was made as to why the team picked the way it did.
In 2006, was there any logic at all in selecting a pop-warner-sized CB, two sorry TE’s and a weed-head DT? I think not.
by victorian on Sep 2, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They said
“Gee, we need a TE”, so they drafted two of them without any thought as to whether they could make it in the NFL. When I read the summaries of the TEs going into the draft, I was afraid we would take one of those guys too early and it wouldn’t work. Well, I was wrong, we took both of them. Gah!
by andyrose on Sep 2, 2009 10:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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